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  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Erika,

    How was your treatment yesterday, this would be your 3rd dosage and probably worse SE? How are your boys and hubby handling your treatments?

    Are you working during treatment and rads?

    keep in touch and your on the home stretchSmile

     hoping minimal SE for you,

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Jen,

    Your feeling is normal at least I remember mine very distinctively; told them to "lets go before I change my mind" I was very nervous for the same reasons you mention. Everything went great, the first round they kept very close eye on me because of not knowing how I would react. Sequential rounds should be the same or better than the first, meaning your acceptance of the drugs. You will get all three drugs the first round; Avastin/placebo, Doxorubicin, Cylophosphamide along with some anti-meds. Do you know if you will be receive your Neulasta from the Dr. office or will you need to self administer?I had to go back to the Dr. office the next day, which was more preferred as they did a follow-up check on my SE from the prior day chemo. Expect minimal sleep the night before your first round, maybe a sleeping aid might be considered. First round is usually received with the least SE, walk away and feel like nothing happened as one might expect. Take some crackers and a beverage to help you if needed, I read some woman have found this to help. The first round is the most nerve racking.

    Please drop in and tell us about your experience. You are at the start of your journey and making an UNSELFISH contribution to future woman, just think you are contributing to making history that will forever be in research books.

    keep your mind busy today,

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited July 2008

    Pinkvelvet,  things will get better. If you want to be angry..go for it.  It took me a couple of months before coming to terms that there was nothing i could do to change things.  In that 2 months i also read toooo much on trip neg and dying.  I don't think that helped.  I feel thankful that technology has come a long way.  Also, be around POSITIVE people.  This really helps.  Good luck and keep posting.

    Well, I had my first boost yesterday, 7 more to go!! The area under my arm is not being radiated w/the boost.  Hopefully these aquaphor makeshift patches that the nurse has put on for the past 2 days will help heal that tender area.  NOTE: After showering this morning noticed my areola peeled a little and is bright red.  Good news is that it doesn't hurt...so far.  I have my step daughters wedding this Saturday and do not want to have these patches sticking out from my dress.  I am still feeling tired on and off. I can't predict the days. I stayed in bed yesterday because of not wanting to put a bra on and the aquaphor felt so good.  I slept til 11:30ish!  I am back at work today and go for #2.  I like this countdown part. The boost also only lasts 1.5 min.

    Hope everyone is taking time for themselves.

    Carolyn

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Teresa,

    Where are you lady? still moving?

    smiles,

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited July 2008

    Brena,

    I am jealous of your bike ride!  I did some swimming yesterday but it wasn't what I am normally up to due to the underarm.  You have a lot of energy girl.  Can you send some my way?  I did go out on my HD the other night to the mall to help my husband shop for an outfit for the wedding. I have taken it out a few more times to get some miles on it especially w/the cost of gas.  Well, I need to get some things done before its time for rads!

    Take care,

    Carolyn

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Carolyn,

    Your leading us on the radiation and boosts, please keep posting your progress. I think my rad/onc has the dimension for my boosts but not sure how many I will receive, don't care and don't want to know at this point. Feels like forever before the end, need to go the entire month of July.

    I guess if you are having some SE your not riding your bike? how are you managing the kids and their busy schedule, starting to slow down for the summer?

    Wonderful news, my fingernails are showing signs of growth...am so happy! I hope that means they will no longer break or fall off. My toenails are still not doing anything, almost as slow at growing as my hair (still just soft-peach fuzz.)

    Congratulation on being on the home stretch, you are our leader!

    glad to hear from you, 

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Kara,

    How are you feeling after your first round of chemo? Did you have someone go with you or fly solo?

    Stop in and see us.

    smile, 

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Desi,

    Is your last round of chemo still scheduled for this Friday the 11th? if so, are you going to celebrate, if so how? have you scheduled your setup for your rads or are you taking a break? remember per our protocol we must be in rads by the end of 6 weeks after our last round of chemo. I procrastinated my first round of rads until Thursday of that 6th week and even tried to get an extension but no luck.

    How would you sum-up your entire experience with the chemo?

    this is the last week, go-go girlTongue out

    many cheers for you!!

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Ladies,

    Coffee is kicking in can you tell by the volume of my chat. Anyway, just a reminder for those of us who are triple negative, there is a live free forum with some Dr. experts discussing the "Triple Negative" subtype and will be held on July 16th at 7pm, TN is the only topic of discussion.

    Quoted:

    "We didn't want you to miss the opportunity to get your questions answered at breastcancer.org's expert on line conference next week. To read more details, please go to: 

    http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/planning/ask_expert/2008_07/index.jsp

     We have fabulous experts for the event!"

    hope to get the most up to date information,

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Ladies,

    There is a 2009 Breast Cancer Survivors Cruiser sponsored by Carnival for April 16-20 2009 departing from Miami to Key West and Cozumel Mexico. Would any of you ladies be interested in cruising this theme? I know it is early to think of anything for next year but just throwing out the idea, it sure would be nice to meet everyone who participates in this trial.

    going to get some packing done,

    until next we talk

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Jen,

    Information overload and anxiety were two culprits to my "run away" feeling, you said it best with "you had enough" and just wanted it to stop. I must say I felt like this more between chemo and rads than I had previously.  I had even taken a trip to Bermuda and returned with the same feeling, just leave me alone I have had enough of everything and everyone! Even talked to rad/onc to revisit me not going threw with rads, both of my Oncs were not receptive to my consideration. However, that reaction was to my overload, anxiety and rads taking away my future choices and ever being normal again. Common sense eventually crept back into my dark hole and I moved forward with rads and the negatives that I associate with it.

    In my heart I know I will be fine (this could be naive or feeling like I have an angel on my shoulder,) now my head...thats another story as it goes south once in a while, reference story above.  I must say I have not been angry with getting cancer, not sure why I got it and not the next lady but I am trying to find all the good that has come from this special journey and I find more each week. One is meeting all you ladies who I would not have otherwise found, my list of rewards are growing.

    Make a list of positives and hang it on your fridge, share them with us as I know I would love to hear themCool.

    Take it slow and talk to us when needed,

    A terrible storm is approaching and I need to get offline, talk more later or tomorrow.

  • S3K5
    S3K5 Member Posts: 606
    edited July 2008

    Brena,

    Thanks for asking about my treatments - yes July 11th is the last of DD AC/Avastin. Celebrate? Sure - not now though! Depends on SEs Cry !

    My latest trouble- pain in the ribs on the rt (surgery side). For once, my cough is better (with Dexamethasone and Advair inhaler) but the pain and pressure is keeping me awake. Don't know if there is some fluid build up or something else going on - will talk to the Onco tomorrow morning.

    I am planning to go back to work for a few days, once I start Taxol. Don't know what SEs I'll have then!!  I don't want to 'Sum up" my entire chemo experience - not yet!!

    Rads will be after 12 weeks of Taxol. So I'll meet with Rad Oncologist in the next few weeks. Want to get it over with - no break! This way I'll be done by Nov; Don't want to prolong it into Dec 2008. Maybe a family vacation in Dec Smile

    Glad to know your nails and hair are returning. Are you allowed to take any supplements to help them grow back faster - like Multi vitamin/B-Complex+Vit A and C? I heard these help the epidermal cells. I would like to take these, but after my Chemo. Just curious.

    Brena, how's your DD during all this? Do you have more than one child? How big is your family?

    Take care,

    Desi.

  • ryjuem
    ryjuem Member Posts: 64
    edited July 2008

     I can relate to the delayed anger. I had a positive, upbeat attutide from diagnosis...surgery..all the tests/scans...it's been going on for so long - April until now.  Chemo isn't starting until next week.

     I had my port put in this morning.  When the nurse came in I told her I didn't want to be there and didn't want to do the procedure.  I'm usually a very cooperative patient.  When I got to pre-op and they asked me my name and date of birth (for the eight millionth time) then asked what the doctor was doing today..I simply replied with a straight face...taking me out to lunch.  The took me into the OR and I was crying...I don't usually do that either.  rough morning.

     I feel like no one is taking care of me.  I'm still making all the arrangements to get the kids where they need to be, figuring out how three of us can get places with the two cars.  All the friends who in the beginning said, if you need anything I'll be there, have all disappeared.  I just want someone to come in and do something for me without me having to ask.  My kids are avoiding the whole subject all together.

     So much complaining - it's not me, which is a little disturbing.  Any words of wisdom on where to go from here?

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited July 2008

    Hello all,

    Brena, I am glad to hear that your nails are doing better and you are getting that peach fuzz on your head.  I can remember what a great feeling that was!  I can't say I haven't rode my bike due to the weather being beautiful I have taken it out a few more times.  I can now say things have slowed down w/the kids.  August brings travel soccer for 2 of them and my oldest starts high school and will try out for that team. I can say I am now on the home stretch. Four more rads to go.  One of the other onc nurses gave me a new patch to try.  Its soloside (not sure of the spelling and am to tired to run downstairs to frig).  You put them in the frig and then before going to bed put one on the site that is burnt.  OHHHHHHHH what a feeling of enjoyment.  The sting is going away but I am still wearing the aquaphor during the day. Keeping the skin moist is huge.  Taking ibuprofen or aleve or advil helps to.  My gums have started to bleed a little more...avastin se.  I know there will be a celebration drink on ThursdayLaughing I do believe it will be a bottle of bubbly.  Do you have any plans, besides rads, this summer?  Are you doing any more biking? BTW once your hair starts coming in I think it does come in fast.  Take care and keep that positive momentum going.

    Carolyn 

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited July 2008

    ryjuem,

    I have been there.  My kids were so supportive as I went thru the surgery, beginning of chemo and then when I started feeling a little better they went back to their on ways and didn't do a whole lot.  Husband can voice to the kids but I really run the ship.  So its hard on them and I think they are trying to make things "Normal".  I take time out for myself and will read a book in my room w/the door shut.  They know not to disturb.  In regards to friends, i've had a lot of support from my family (mostly mom) and a good friend of mine who would bring over a months worth of dinner.  I have gottne to the point that I can't get it all done and if no one wants to help then i have decided it won't get done.  I have come to let things go. Life is to short to worry about if the floor got mopped today or the dishes put away.  I would rather enjoy time with my kids and sometimes without.  My husband has pushed me for time away with him.  I did go thru my time of complaining, and boy can I do a great job but i think some things just have to let go at this time.  You do have a right to complain due to the treatment you are going thru.  Don't down yourself.  There will be lots of lows and lots of highs.  I started this journey back in Oct 07 and see the huge changes i've gone thru.  Why me etc.  I decided to live for today and enjoy and be made when i want to because I am alive and have made that choice to live.  I've rattled on but wanted to just let you know you will get thru this.  By the answer you gave in the OR I can tell you are a great person to be around because you still have that fun person underneath all this other stuff we deal with.  I am sending hugs your way which I hope will help you to have a good day tomorrow and every other day.

    Carolyn

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited July 2008

    Teresa,

     This is a second call to see how you are doing?  Are you having any SE's w/avastin?

     Carolyn

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    ryjuem,

    Welcome to the members of the E5103 club, not the best place to be a member but we welcome you with open arms, provide hugs when needed and suggestions based on experience when asked. 

    You definitely have had a roller coaster ride to start and yes many emotions to go along. You will feel, experience and display emotions you thought you never would. As a BC survivor you must go through the necessary steps, includes emotions, of the healing process. It is like a "go to jail card" you cannot skip steps or jump stages you must go through the journey, only then will you begin the healing process. 

    If someone told me back in October that I would be sane, healthy and a better person in July of 08 I would of asked them what drugs they were on. I felt like I was going through a world-wind tunnel and everything was moving so fast and I had no control. To say the least I was very scared, felt alone (even though I was not) and felt as if BC was just one more thing I had to deal with in my life. 

    Please forgive me but it sounds like you are accustom to putting family and friends need before yourself? In addition; it sounds like you are a strong woman who lead others to the finish line, this is one time I suggest you consider making a change by putting yourself first. Your health, family and longevity depend on you taking control of your outcome. Others will have your interest at heart but they do not have control over your actions.

    Loved ones are funny when it comes to showing support, sometimes they want their normalcy back and to get that they may pretend nothing is different (blinder on.) It takes time for them to come to grip with the understanding of you having BC as it is for you to come to terms. Daily tasks that you worry over, deal with, scream about etc. now take second seat to your health. Again, letting go of these tasks are extremely hard but you need to focus on yourself and maintaining your health. The appointments, tests, etc. will diminish as you progress but believe me it will not be any time soon.

    Please tell me about your support group, family and how they are handling the news of your BC. You sound overwhelmed and could use some help getting matters organized and some responsibilities delegated.

    Thanks for joining the E5103 and making a difference to future woman, you are definitely a giving woman!!

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Carolyn,

    Went to work tonight to get a few tasks completed, had a BBQ and to see everyone they miss me and am glad that I am doing well and are envious of my dark tan and much weight loss. My burnt boob is probably the darkest part of my body but did not tell them that. I am sitting here drinking a beer and eating a Hershey pie..what's with that? last year I would of been eating a salad and drinking water. I can blame it on the chemo, right? behavior modification.

    I still have a few small bald spots on top of the head but making huge progress, my daughter wants me to shave it totally bald, she likes. I don't think so. The only burn I have is under my breast at the crease line, putting aloe and cream covered with a sterile-pad provided by the rad onc. My breast ache's like it has menstrual cramps, not sure how else to explain the feeling. Nothing more embarrassing than walking around massaging your boob because of the ache. Self breast exams are going to be extremely difficult for quite some time as nothing feels the same. And I am not having my breasts squeezed between metal plates anytime soon (mammo.), due next month but will have to wait until ?

    Glad to hear your kids are still playing soccer over the summer, I love to watch the game and tournaments. Four rads to go, damn time has gone by very quickly and I still cannot believe you are that far ahead of me. Remind me, how many rads and boosts are you receiving? maybe I am getting to many and that is why it feels like it is taking forever.

    Unfortunately rads is my summer I have no plans until November which is to Spain on the beach for two weeks. I may try to sneak away for a weekend to my sisters in Texas sometime in August assuming my boob is able to travel. I bike everyday it has become part of my daily routine just like rads, I try to do a minimum of 12+ miles. Again, biking has become "my time" and I have come to recogonize and appreciate those small beauties that I would not notice while driving a car; 6 turtles sunbathing on a log in a pond, wild turkey with babies etc.

    I am taking Clodronate for trial S0307, no real SE to complain about just trying to remember to take them everyday. According to protocol, Onc visits are every month for 6 months then every three months for 3 years. It appears the drug can be hard on the kidney and liver function so they get tested frequently, but if the drug works and keeps the BC out of my bones then it will be worth it.

    time for bed...goodnight

  • S3K5
    S3K5 Member Posts: 606
    edited July 2008

    Hi Ladies,

    Just an update - 4th AC/Avastin went well. The pain in the rib is persistent even with no cough. The onco has ordered a bone scan - I am getting scared now! I hope it is only a hairline fracture due to the cough and nothing else.

    Yesterday I was okay - today I have the body pain due to neulasta. Do we continue to get these shots with Taxol? I start weekly Taxol on 25th July.

    Brena, kudos to you - you are so active. You have so much patience to write to each on of us!

    I can barely sit for a few mins at a time!!

    Take care,

    Desi. 

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Desi,

    I was thinking about you last night but did not make the time to write, so I am tonight. Glad your last chemo round went well. You do notget the Neulasta shot with taxol so your pain from that should subside. Did you go to the Dr's to get the shot or self administered? Are you sleeping well? I will say a prayer for positive results with your bone scan, when is your test scheduled? I could tell you not to worry but you will anyway, try to keep your mind busy on something fun. Any vomiting as a SE from the chemo? Any red rashes on your body? Family members close by to help keep you busy?

    My SE's from the taxol were minor, only pain in the nail-beds and infected toenail and fingernails and lost a few of both (not a pretty sight). I did not get the neuropathy or other SE's, the nails were enough and am still dealing with the issue. I bought several boxes of band-aids to cover those nails. I am taking a multivitamin and calcium tablet each day, am seeing a little growth in the nails. Once they all get the same length those babies are getting painted, beautifully with a design. If I could handle one more daily pill I would take the vita B but right now I am taking 6 pills daily and that is 5 more than I care too. Keep an eye on your nails, biggest SE of Taxol.

    I am glad to hear your going right from taxol to rads, I needed a break in-between all the issues. In addition, I needed several test and other Dr. visits to get ready for my next protocol. So I did all the above on my allotted 6 week break, and went to Bermuda.

    Thanks for the compliment on my biking, yesterday I rode until totally exhausted (3hrs) thinking I would sleep...yea right. Still up at 2:30am and then finally took a sleeping pill and slept for about 4hr and back up for the day. I am getting very frustrated because I cannot sleep or I fall asleep and wake up at the 4hrs mark as if I had an internal clock that goes off. Sleeping pills, alcohol, and exercise don't seem to make a bit of difference in the qty of sleep I get. Maybe I have become a mental case, don't know of anything on my mind to keep me awake. The terrible sleep pattern has been the same since December of last year, start of chemo.

    Anyway, I have one daughter who is 26 and one son who is 20 both are great kids but my son can sometimes make one consider birth control! I have lived in Salem County NJ for most of my life, am originally from Delaware and am now seeking to move out of Jersey next year if the selling market improves. I have decided to make some life changes, my choices but not easy ones.

    I SAVED A BOX TURTLE FROM ROAD KILL, IT WAS A GREAT FEELING!

    Do you know your unbinding date?

    Hugs to you and thinking positive thoughtSmile

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited July 2008

    Hi Brena,

    My treatment was 8 boosts and 25 rads...After today only 3 left.  In regards to a tanned boob. My darkest part is under my arm.  This is where they took the nodes out and on the side of the boob.  The skin has now peeled.  It's a little over the size of a quarter but tender.  I am also peeling under the boob but that doesn't bother me...maybe an itch here or there.  I do feel your ache as in boob.  There's times when it doesn't feel right.  I now have another SE from the avastin...bleeding gums. My gums are bothering me and I might have to see my dentist.  I will talk to my onc next Monday if not before.  I am using orajel.  It sounds like your other trial is going well w/no SE's.   I am still taking lorazapam but it seems to not be working that well or its my burnt skin that's kinda keeping me awake.  My bedtime has gotten a lot later than the norm. I will talk to rad onc today about it.  He had said he could give me something if I couldn't sleep. I think I can sleep better in the day than night.  Anyways, need to get some work done.

    Take care,

    Carolyn

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Ladies,

    Well I finally asked the rad/onc how many rads and boosts I am to receive, never asked and didn't care. I was looking forward to the big surprise "day" when they would say IT IS YOUR LAST DAY! I am to receive 28 rads and qty of boost have not been determined either 6 or 8 (of course I vote 6 no calculations necessary.) I have completed 21 rounds, and if I only have to do 6 rounds of boost then I will be completed on July 31...I feel a celebration coming on! Wink

    I was told the ache in the breast are just a reminder of our treatment, shit I have scars as that reminder. The ache may be there for several months up to a year, of course each woman is different. I asked if the boost may hinder the healing process of my lumpectomy scar, told not really. The scar is healing very nicely and I had hoped it would not be visible at some future point, rad/onc said most likely always visible to some degree. I sure would like to prove him wrong. Under the boob is very sore and a little raw and still using the cream and gel with pads.

    A little self indulgence-yesterday I found a little ice cream shop while riding on one of my bike routes, treated myself to a small cup of chocolate custard, very good.

    stay dry,

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Erika,

    Havn't heard from you in a while, how are you doing? Family doing ok?

    cheers to you, 

  • S3K5
    S3K5 Member Posts: 606
    edited July 2008

    Hi Brena,

    Thanks for writing. My rib pain is bothering me enough to keep me awake at night - I have the bone scan on wednesday (july 16). Hope it is only a minor thing! The SEs are not too bad - just the body ache from Neulasta. Hopefully, it should get better by tomorrow.

    Glad to know you are nearing the end of treatment and onto new things soon. My treatments won't end till end of Nov (want to end it before my 50th birthday!!) You must have had the children really early - they are grown up. Is your son in college? I have a 20 yr old daughter at Rutgers.

    Can't tolerate milk products yet - maybe after this week, my taste buds should start working! Can't taste ANY FOOD - except burning with hot/spicy stuff. Just eating baked potatoes with salt.

    Take care. Hope you get some sleep tonight.

    Desi.

  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited July 2008

    Hi Everyone!!  Hey Carolyn I have a question for you....when you receive the avastin are you getting anything else?  I just had my 3rd one yesterday and I got really sick to my stomach right after treatment...I still feel bad so I'm taking compazine.  The nurse keeps telling me this is unheard of but the sheet says that it can be a side effect. 

    Do you have any problems with this, carolyn?

    Teresa

  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited July 2008

    Brena,

    I have never been on a cruise but I am so willing to go!!!!  It sounds like a great idea.

    Teresa

  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited July 2008

    Desi,

    I have to have a bone scan to this week.  I have been having pain in my left hip.  Of course, I'm pretty scared about it but I bet both of us are just fine.

    Teresa

  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited July 2008

    Brena,

    I had that peach fuzz stuff on my head, it wasn't coming in very good at all.  A nurse told me that since I started having some regrowth while I was on treatment still it wouldn't come in very good.  She recommended that I shave it off and start over.  Well, I shaved it when I got back from vegas and wow...its really coming in fast and thicker.  Of course I still see gray but It looks so much better.

    Teresa

  • S3K5
    S3K5 Member Posts: 606
    edited July 2008

    Teresa,

    Sorry to know that you have hip pain. Hopefully, it is nothing ! I guess the bones are a little weak and brittle with all the treatments we go thru! 

    My onco thinks my rib pain may be due to all the coughing - may have caused a hairline fracture. At this point, I only hope she is right! Can live with a fracture too !! If this is true, they cannot do anything about it. But why a bone scan and not an X-Ray?  This ques keeps me awake at nights! Okay... time for more lorazapam...Tomorrow is the scan.

    Take care. Good luck with the bone scan.

    Desi.

  • jenniferb
    jenniferb Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2008

    Hi Everyone!

    My name is Jennifer Balboni and I live in Aptos, CA. I'm 46 and was diagnosed with TN Stage 1 Grade 3 BC June 24, 2008. Two days later I had a lumpectomy w/sentinel node biopsy at Dominican Hospital In Santa Cruz. The results have been great so far (as good as they can be!) and I just got home from meeting with an oncologist at Stanford University who is recommending I join the E5103 Clinical Trial that you all are on. I'm about 97percent sure I want to do it. It seems like this TN cancer is hard to beat and the best possible treatment seems to be the most aggressive one and this appears to be it. It's just so scary! All my life I've been into fitness and health, eating organic foods and no smoking, no drinking. Filling my body willingly with all these poisons seem so crazy!!! I'm so glad to see this shared info online. Maybe those of you have already been through some or all of this trial can let me know if you'd do it again. Thanks! 

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