Is Taxol worse the Adriamycin?

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  • HeatherBLocklear
    HeatherBLocklear Member Posts: 1,370
    edited June 2008

    Hi all,

    I had four treatments of Taxotere, and have now received one infusion of AC with the next scheduled for this coming Tuesday.

    One thing I learned from the Taxotere with Avastin is that the effects are cumulative -- it gets worse from treatment to treatment.

    However, so far the AC has been less horrendous than the Taxotere. With Taxotere I was wired constantly, never slept, felt irritable and nervous, was more or less out of it constantly, and had severe vision problems including dry eyes and blurred vision. Even though I avoided some of the worse SEs such as neuropathy or hand and foot syndrome, I still hated it. It was awful.

    Until now, the AC has just made me very, very sleepy. It's as though I'm catching up on all the sleep I missed out on with the Taxotere. A bit of nausea, controlled with Emend, taken as prescribed. Mouth sores, yes, but not as severe or painful as with Taxotere.

    These will probably end up being my Famous Last Words, hah!

    Hugs to all,

    Annie

  • AMANN
    AMANN Member Posts: 140
    edited June 2008

    Hello, May I ask how old are you? I am 42 and trying to decide on chemo, or not, I had stage IIA grade 3 HR pos. I am unsure because I am already anemic, and have slepp apnea.

  • AMANN
    AMANN Member Posts: 140
    edited June 2008

    Hello, May I ask how old are you? I am 42 and trying to decide on chemo, or not, I had stage IIA grade 3 HR pos. I am unsure because I am already anemic, and have slepp apnea.

  • sem2408
    sem2408 Member Posts: 9
    edited June 2008

    Hi all!

    I'm new to the whole message board thing so I'll give you the nutshell version.  I had a baby in Nov. who wouldn't breast feed and found a lump when the milk went away and was diagnosed in Feb.  Stage I, (thank goodness) Grade 3, HER2 pos.  Had a bilateral mastectomy in March and started chemo in April.  I'll have 3 courses in all.  Course 1 is AC 4 times and I will have the 4th one on Fri.  Then I'll do Taxol and Herceptin once weekly for 12 weeks and then Herceptin for 9 months.  The AC could have been worse, I guess, but I was completely wiped for a week.  It felt like a low blood sugar, weak, shaky, dizzy, queasy.  Had to have a LOT of help with the baby.  I will start Taxol/Herceptin after this.  I've read everyone's posts and I don't know if I feel better or worse.  I haven't really talked to anybody about this much because everyone's sympathetic and have been great, but they don't understand and I'm really trying to be strong and positive with them.  The hardest thing is not being able to be with my baby.  With AC, I at least have 2 good weeks with him, but I'm worried that with Taxol by the time I recover, it'll be time to do it again and I won't be worth a darn with the baby.  Ugh.  This sucks. Also, I had a lot of weight gain on AC, (on top of baby weight I didn't have time to lose) will that get better on Taxol? Thanks for letting me vent.

    AMANN,  my opinion is to do EVERYTHING in your power to lick this thing.  You don't want to look back years from now and wish you'd done things differently.  Just my 2 cents... 

  • slonedeb
    slonedeb Member Posts: 562
    edited June 2008

    sem i just finished with raxol every week and i didnt have any bad sideeffects thats why they do it weekly so the sideeffects wont be hard it took my hair 2 months to come out and then all didnt come out the main sideeffets i had was bloating and neropathy in my feet thats why she is chaning me because of my feet god bless deb from ky

  • Anhinga
    Anhinga Member Posts: 2
    edited June 2008

    Im done with a/c next week I start Taxol and Herceptin.  A/c treated me ok I was only sick once and that could have been something I ate not the chemo.  Im afraid of the pain I hear about.  How many days does it last??

  • mmcmom
    mmcmom Member Posts: 47
    edited June 2008

    I didn't tolerate the Taxol well at all.  I had the bone pain that lasted for a few days but did gradually get better.  I would get my infusion on Wedneday and the pain would start Friday into Saturday and Sunday, by Monday it started to improve but I had neuropathy in my feet for a long time.

    Some women have no problems with Taxol, it all depends.

  • dorothy1918
    dorothy1918 Member Posts: 29
    edited June 2008

    Hi Everyone,

         I did dda/c every two weeks times four no bad se. Then taxol which gave me numbness in hands and feet.Then they changed me to taxotere which has been a nightmare I have real bad se.Does anyone know how long the foot and hand rash last? It burns and I dont know what to do for it any body had it? Well good luck to all!

                                                                Dorothy

  • irishdreama
    irishdreama Member Posts: 938
    edited June 2008

    I did the a/c every 2 weeks x4 and then the taxotere every 3 weeks, and I have to agree with Dorothy. I had mouth sores, constipation, and everything tasted "yucky" during the a/c, but taxotere was far worse. I had shortness of breath, horrible leg pain, fluid retention, and my nail beds looked disgusting. I'm 13 months out of chemo, and feel 100% better, but still have neuropathy in my hands and feet, and still some fluid retention. Good Luck!

  • SuperMujer
    SuperMujer Member Posts: 100
    edited June 2008

    Hi to All,

    Almost finished with my Taxol. This week will be my last dose!!!!! It was rough, but in the end it was doable. Some of the neuropathies may linger I know but the Neurontin helps. Amman, I hope that you found the strength to go on with your chemo, you'll be glad you did it in the end.

    Good luck to all.

    LA

  • HeatherBLocklear
    HeatherBLocklear Member Posts: 1,370
    edited June 2008

    Hi all,

    I've now had four Taxotere treatments and two out of four AC infusions. I must say once again that the Taxotere was FAR worse for me than the AC has been until now. I had so many horrible Ses on Taxotere (even though, as I said earlier, I was spared the worst such as neuropathy and foot and hand syndrome), that I wondered if I could stand it.

    I was wired constantly and never slept, had veritable ulcers in my mouth and throat, binding constipation, and skin so dry I could have been in training to become a lizard. Many other symptoms as well, but those are the ones I remember the most vividly.

    With AC I am mainly tired. I sleep and sleep and sleep. Other than that, nothing much to write home about.

    Annie

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited June 2008

    Annie, you make me glad I'm finished with my Taxotere & Cytoxan treatments.  My 4th and last was 3 wks ago.  The soles of my feet are peeling, having finally lost that swelling and deep red color of hand-foot syndrome; and the distal half of the big toe on my left foot is numb.  Other than that--oh, and the hair thing--I'm on the mend.

    I could have used a bit more sleep, though.  It's strange to be so tired but unable to sleep.

    otter 

  • LizC
    LizC Member Posts: 19
    edited June 2008

    Hello All,

    Now my reaction was not normal at all.  My first treatment was TC I almost right away started with an itchy scalp then my face and ears went read. They stopped the TC and gave me more steroids and Benadryl. After that they were able to give me the first Round of TC.

    I was fine for 3 days after that really almost no stomach upset. After the 4th day I was just exhausted and deep sadness lack of desire to do anything but nap.

    Tuesday the 24th they started to give my my 2nd treatment of TC. I only had about a teaspoon in me and I went into anaphylactic shock, my my chest and  lungs constricted I could not breath or speak. The doctors rushed in stopped my treatment check my lungs and gave me oxygen. I was fine an hour later just scared out of my mind.

    Saw my Doctor Friday and they started me on AC. This being said my Doctor said this only happened 1 other time in 12 yrs that he has seen this kind of reaction the 2nd treatment of TC. They did prep me with Benadryl and steroids.

    As far as the AC I am not feeling as well the day after as I did with TC  I do feel nausea even though I have taken my Emend. Any advise on what to eat to feel less nausea? 

  • deecsw
    deecsw Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2008

    Oh, Liz. Well, make that 2 people in 12 years (even tho we have different docs)! You are feeling nausea even with the Emend? Makes me wonder what I have to look forward to on Tuesday. The nurse said something to me about "the cocktail" if I feel nausea after the 3 days of Emend and said she would go into more detail when she sees me. Is the nausea severe? Do you notice anything else that's significantly different from the TC?

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited June 2008

    Hi, fellow TC warriors! 

    Your oncos should be giving you something for "breakthrough nausea" in case the Emend (or Kytril, or Zofran) doesn't keep you completely free of nausea from the AC.  A less-powerful drug like Compazine or Phenergan can be taken along with the stronger anti-nausea drugs.  Some oncos prescribe those "older" drugs for you to take when the newer, more powerful drugs aren't quite enough.

    Call your onco if you are still nauseous.  That's one advantage of AC, from what I've read (I haven't had it)--your onco should be able to control the nausea for you.

    otter 

  • LizC
    LizC Member Posts: 19
    edited June 2008

    Thanks Otter,

    I'll call my onco,

    I have gotten sick I just feel very woesy  stomach wise and have  just taken a sip on

    Ginger ale but made it a bit worse.

    Dee nothing else feels different so far, but of course I just took it yesterday afternoon. Wishing you well Dee ! We are the TC trouble makers ..lol 

  • dorothy1918
    dorothy1918 Member Posts: 29
    edited June 2008

    Hi everyone,

        Well eight days after taxotere I ended up in hosp for four days.I had real low white and red blood counts.They kept me on iv antibotics for the four days and then sent me home with more.I have to have one more chemo and am scared to death. I was so sick.Well enough of the complainning  I dont really have a choice.Good luck to all and GOD BLESS.

                                                                                     Dorothy

  • LizC
    LizC Member Posts: 19
    edited June 2008

    Dorothy1918

    Did your doctor give you Neulasta(sp)  shot the next day?  Mine did and no problem with my white blood cell count after TC.  Ask him/her you should not have issues with TC if you get Neulasta. 

  • dorothy1918
    dorothy1918 Member Posts: 29
    edited June 2008

    thank you LIZ I will ask my doc .

                                Dorothy

  • S3K5
    S3K5 Member Posts: 606
    edited July 2008

    Hi everyone,

    I am going thru' DD AC - 3 down and one to go (on 11th July). My nausea has been so bad throughout the treatments - nothing works (Emend + Kytril for 3 days; then Zofran, Campazine,Phenergan). My oncologist is running out of alternatives! I can't eat anything dairy due to my nausea, which is tough because I am a vegetarian and rely on dairy for protein!!

    I have been on short term disability due to the SE of AC/Avastin trial and am hoping to get back to work when I start Taxol on 25th July. God knows what's coming!! I am really nervous about the SEs of Taxol. Is there anything I can do to prepare? My nails are already ugly with AC (can it get any worse?!!)

    Thanks a lot for posting your experiences. It certainly helps.

    Desi.

  • Trustthelord2
    Trustthelord2 Member Posts: 5
    edited July 2008

    I just finished Taxol July 2 08. I don't think it was worst than Adriamycin.With Adriamycin i had nausea and votiming 2days after chemo that was terrible. With Taxol i have bad leg pain usually go a way  about the 3 day after chemo but i was taking it every week so about time it went away it was time to go back i complete my 12 weeks thank GOD  it's over. I start radiation in 2 weeks. and in 2 weeks they is going to remove my port because i bllod clots in arm the port is in.

  • angie27
    angie27 Member Posts: 863
    edited July 2008

    I had my first of 12 treatments of Taxol/herceptin yesterday, and even though it might be to early to claim victory, I  must admit that it was much easier than AC, I feel fine, have no s/e.

  • jdg1
    jdg1 Member Posts: 608
    edited July 2008

    I felt flu ish as well while on Adriamycin and just not energy.  When it was time to do the Taxol I had pains in my legs for 2 days and then felt fine.  One thing you should think of getting is Biotin someone recommended it to me on this site and I felt it really helped with my nails.  I did not lose any of them because I believe I started the Biotin in time to help.  Good luck to you neither one of the drugs are without side effects.

    June

  • jdg1
    jdg1 Member Posts: 608
    edited July 2008

    Wildrose,

     I also received the Catro Oil Taxol as well.  There were some people on this site that said it was not made with it, but my Chemo Nurse told me what was in it. 

    June

  • myheidiscrapbooking
    myheidiscrapbooking Member Posts: 245
    edited July 2008

    Hi everyone, I finished my Abraxane this past Thrus! My last chemo! Yippee! I just had my mri this morning and will find out on Tues. if everything is GONE. I pray it is. This will decide me having my breast off so this is a big one.  I will meet my radiologist on Tues to also see when I start radiation. Pat, how are you doing? I had stiffness but really nothing else. What a godsend this Abraxane was! and now over - really can't believe it. I know you are right behind me. I hope you are doing as good. Keep me posted ok!! :)

    Heidi

  • lisajones
    lisajones Member Posts: 17
    edited July 2008

    I finished a/c and started taxol.  So far so good.  The cocktail was awful.  I did okay the first three but the last was hard.  Take Enmed also take your zofran before you feel sick.  For some reason crackers and ginger cookies helped me.  I hope the taxol won't be as bad.  Good Luck To All!!

    Lisa In Mississippi

  • Lucky
    Lucky Member Posts: 15
    edited July 2008

    I finished 10 rounds of 12 scheduled tx of Taxol.  The 1st tx they kept me all day to watch for an allergic reaction....which did not happen.  Since I dont do anything like anyone else....my reaction waited until the end of my tx.....got a nasty rash on my legs and arms...but no itching.  Itching waited until the rash went away...go figure.  After reading all of the posts, I guess I am lucky....I had no isses with nails.....except afterwards I noticed that my toe nails on my big toes looked funny, guess that they must have started to separate ....but my last tx of Taxol was in Feb and they have grown out and look normal. Doctors never warned me that nails could be an issue and only asked about tingling and numbness in my fingers and toes. I did have some numbness in my fingers but they are fine now. Taxol did throw me into arthritis in  my hips, knees and ankles....the doctors wont admit that the chemo did this but after reading the posts here I see that others have had the same experience.  I have found that these sites give me lots more info than any of my doctors or nurses give me!  I am now 1/2 way through 33 radiation tx.  Has bilateral mast May 22.

    Thanks to all of you for the info, tips and sharing your experiences!

    Jacki in Ohio

  • dorothy1918
    dorothy1918 Member Posts: 29
    edited July 2008

    Hi everyone,

    Finished my chemo on 7/03/08 am so glad. I had a hard time with taxoterer.Now I will be having a bi-lateral breast removal on 7/30 wish me luck.They said they would reconstruct the same time but now have decided to do radiation first.This keeps me from having reconstruction for a full year.This has really upset me.I guess I will get over it but do feel real depressed over their decision. Thanks for letting me vent .      

                                                                     God Bless,

                                                                            Dorothy

  • birdsong
    birdsong Member Posts: 63
    edited July 2008

    Is your cancer a re-occurance?  How did you get your docter to approve Abraxane and have your insurance company pay for it.  I heard it could only be used for advanced cancer.

  • birdsong
    birdsong Member Posts: 63
    edited July 2008

    Why did your doctor suggest Abraxane. My doctor said my insurance would not pay unless you have tried other drugs first.

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