Bi-Lat Mast what to do next?

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ninelives
ninelives Member Posts: 14

Hi all, I can't believe what an informative and supportive site this is.  I have received so much information and am very grateful.  Thank you all!   In April 2008 I was dx'd with DCIS in my right breast.  I have no family bc history, but I did have tongue cancer back in 2004. I have very dense breasts and biopsies revealed lots of microcalcifications.  I went ahead with a bi-lat mast May 29, hoping this would be the end of it.  I also had a SNB which came back negative.  My pathology report indicated in the diagnosis section "DCIS grade 2-3/3 with foci suggestive of microinvasion.  DCIS extends to within 1 mm of inked deep margin."  This seems like a clear margin from what I have read.  I don't have the results of my hormone receptor tests yet.  My breast surgeon said "your cured".  My onc says she is contemplating radiation and tamoxifin due to the close margin.  I am going to discuss my path report with a rad onc next.  I am so confused.  I was hoping to avoid further treatment by having the mast.  Any one else out there dx'd with DCIS (w/ mast) and did not have further treatment, your input would be so appreciated.  Any advice on  how I should proceed?  Thank you.

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  • Jen44
    Jen44 Member Posts: 631
    edited July 2008

    Hi ninelives,

    I am sorry that you are having to join the club but I am glad that you found us.  I am sorry that I don't have any advice for you because my situation was different than yours.  I am sure that there will be someone along that can help you with some answers. I just wanted to welcome you and let you know that there are some wonderful woman on these boards that will be there for you are much as you need them.   I think discussing it with your rad onc is a great idea.  Take care and I hope everything goes well.

    Keep laughing,

    Jenny

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited July 2008

    I had extensive high grade DCIS with comedo necrosis, along with a microinvasion.  Due to the amount of DCIS, I had to have a mastectomy.  One margin was 1mm; the others were larger.  I had an SNB and fortunately my nodes were clear.  Because it was DCIS that was near the margin, my oncologist and surgeon both agreed that no further treatment was necessary. 

    As it was explained to me, DCIS is confined to the milk ducts, and while there will always be a small amount of breast tissue left after a mastectomy, it's unlikely that any milk ducts will remain.  So whereas radiation would have been recommended if I'd had IDC near the margin (since IDC might be found within the remaining breast tissue) because it was DCIS and DCIS isn't found in breast tissue (only in milk ducts), my risk of recurrence is very low.  For this same reason, Tamoxifen wasn't recommended.  Numerous studies have shown that the recurrence rate after a mastectomy for DCIS is generally in the range of 1% - 2%.  While Tamoxifen can reduce recurrence risk by about 40%, if the risk is 2% at most, the benefit would be less than 1%.  Therefore my oncologist felt that for me, the risks from Tamoxifen would outweight the benefits.

    Here is some information about this from outside sources:

    - This site explains that radiation and Tamoxifen are options for those who choose lumpectomy but are less likely to be required for those who have mastectomies for DCIS.  For example, it says "If you choose to have a mastectomy, there's less reason to use tamoxifen. With a mastectomy, the risk of invasive breast cancer or recurrent DCIS in the small amount of remaining breast tissue is very small. Any potential benefit from tamoxifen would apply only to the opposite breast."  http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dcis/DS00983/DSECTION=treatments-and-drugs

    - This site talks in detail about the treatment options.  It explains that "If a simple mastectomy is chosen as treatment for DCIS, radiation therapy is not needed following surgery."  http://www.dcis.info/treatment-options.html   On another page, the following is said about the recurrence rate after a mastectomy: "Studies indicate that 1 to 2% of patients treated with mastectomy will have a recurrence of DCIS or invasive cancer, either in the same area or elsewhere in the chest wall.http://www.dcis.info/treatment-mastectomy.html

    - On the ACS site, the surgical options for DCIS treatment are listed as a "lumpectomy, usually followed by radiation therapy" and a "simple mastectomy".  It also states: "Recent research suggests that 5 years of treatment with tamoxifen can lower the risk of invasive cancer developing after treatment of DCIS with lumpectomy and radiation therapy" making no mention of Tamoxifen or radiation for those who have a mastectomy.  http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_4X_Breast_Cancer_Treatment_by_Stage_5.asp

    I know that different docs view things differently, so your oncologist might recommend something different and only you can decide which approach you are comfortable with.   One other comment though.  I'm surprised that your pathology report says "DCIS grade 2-3/3 with foci suggestive of microinvasion".  Is this the final pathology report?  If so, I would expect more precision.  I can understand a statement about "foci suggestive of microinvasion" after a biopsy, but after a lumpectomy or mastectomy, when all the breast tissue is available to be examined, the pathologist should be able to say with certainty whether there were microinvasions present or not.  This is something that you might want to ask your oncologist about.  It probably wouldn't change your treatment, unless you happened to have quite a few microinvasions, but it is still something that's important to know.  If you have any microinvasions at all, you would be reclassified to Stage 1 rather than remaining Stage 0 and personally that's something I would want to know.

    Hope that helps.  

  • wahine
    wahine Member Posts: 8,231
    edited July 2008

    Hi ninelives

    So glad you found this site, as there is a wealth of information, and lots of support from wonderful ladies! Beesie really gave you a lot of information, so there is nothing I could add there. Just wanted to chime in that I also had DCIS (aggressive but non-invasive), in my RB, but chose to have a bilat mast so I would not have to worry about getting it in my LB, and also I wanted symmetry with reconstruction. As it turns out, my LB had no cancer, and my nodes were clear, but I still was happy with my decision. My margins were clear also. Before I had my surgery I consulted with an onc, who told me he prob wouldn't see me again, as he was pretty sure I only had DCIS, and with the mast, I would not have any cancer left. So no further treatment has been advised for me. My BS wants to do a "manual" breast exam, because there could be some tissue that was missed, and he wants to make sure I don't develop any other breast cancer. I am 8 1/2 wks post op and feeling great! I wish you the very best, and hope you are confident in your rad onc and that they will advise you in the best possible treatment (if any) for you. I am glad to have you with us, but very sorry that you have a reason to be here. You won't find a better group of women anywhere! We are all here for each other....please post after you see the onc and let us know what he says. Take care, and (((HUGS))) !

  • ninelives
    ninelives Member Posts: 14
    edited July 2008

    Thank you so much for all of your responses.  It truly helps.  My thoughts and prayers will be with you all.  Thanks again.

  • auroravtj
    auroravtj Member Posts: 113
    edited July 2008

    WOW I was told by my onc last week that he wanted me on tamoxifin within the month. I was diog. withDCIS grade 3 and had a left mastectomy july 17th. I am really not wanting to take this drug. I had a mast. so I would be done! My report came back clear. I am thinking about having  mast on right side so no more .....what if they find something this time..... I am going to my ps tomarrow to hopefully have drain taken out and fluid put in expanders. I want to talk to him about why it is necessary to take the drug. I really wish the onc. would have discussed it with me more. sorry if some of this does not make since but I really am frustrated! I dont want to go to an onc.  I am doctored out!!!! my ps and bs are supper so hopefully they will give me a different ong name to go to.

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited July 2008

    I was dx with ADH (pre-cancer) once in each breast 18 months apart, after the 2nd dx my doctor put me on tamox (family history of BC and OC). 6 months after starting tamox I was dx with DCIS in the right breast. I had bilat mast, final path report showed no micro-invasions more ADH in the right breast and pre-ADH in the left breast. I was taken off the tamox because my doctor told me that he removed the majority of breast tissue there was no reason to stay on the tamox.

    Good luck on your quest for an onc that will listen to you.

    Sheila

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