Triple positive but NODE-NEG! stage I
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LuAnnH in cincy,
(I am orig from cincy.)
I am sorry to hear of your recurrence. :[ We just have to find a cure for this disease.
Of course you are in a bit of a different group bc stage II does mean that recurrence stats are a
bit higher, but i hear your point. There is too much we do not know - who knows what
factors, what proteins and what genes they will discover that are causing recurrence.
I don't even know when they discovered HER2... or when they discovered ER & PR.
I agree that there is "no one right way" to treat this, because that is exactly what my
oncologist says, though she was speaking about stage I with my features. &Early stage
is just not researched enough, and there is best way to treat this because
in her words, "we just don't know".
One of the things I am confused about is that, say a stage I person has a hibernating cell.
Can chemo attack a cell that is not actively growing? If it can, then fine, chemo is
worthwhile. If not, then this is all a gamble.
alaska angel,
you raise many valid concerns. A researcher i talked to say that they are right now
trying to figure out if Herceptin can work alone. The bottom line is that we will never
know if herceptin works alone unless someone DOES get a trial going. All we know
in cancer treatment we have now because someone took a risk and created a study
and patients took a risk and went into the study, and that is what needs to happen
with Herceptin.
Also, since 85% of the people with our tumors [on this thread] do NOT come back
even when no adjuvant is given... what does mean? That is 100k question. That means
85% of these her2+ people (okay, maybe 80% depending on whose stats you use) don't need
chemo.
It's hard to get chemo just so you go from 85% to 90% (and then to maybe 95% with tamox).
Five % seems like a lot to doctors, but it feels like just a nudge to me in some ways.
It feels like another Iraq war - going in to blow up weapons that may not even be there. -
Bluejay1's post on May 4 about quality of Her2 lab testing was spot on. My local hospital sent out my pathology for the FISH test in January and it came back negative. For a second opinion, they re-ran the FISH test at a major cancer center, and I found out today that it is positive. So I too am triple positive, node negative, stage 1. I had already decided to do chemo, because I had a much-delayed oncotype test that came back with a score of 28, high intermediate risk. Now they will add herceptin to my regimen, and I'm very glad I got the second opinion.
Update on June 5-- the nurse sent me the test results, and she had read them wrong. I'm only a double positive.
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I was told that her2+ always get chemo offered.
I asked my onc about oncotype testing and she no for patients that are her+. Also I read my post and I said i was on Taxol.. it was taxotere..i get mixed up all the time. I go for a diagnostic mammo on my right breast in a few months and my next muga scan. Hoping that heart is fine for continuation of herceptin and that right mammo is clear.
That vaccine that was mentioned today is that for those who never had chemo and herceptin? does anyone know?
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I asked my onc about oncotype testing and she no for patients that are her+. Also I read my post and I said i was on Taxol.. it was taxotere..i get mixed up all the time. I go for a diagnostic mammo on my right breast in a few months and my next muga scan. Hoping that heart is fine for continuation of herceptin and that right mammo is clear.
That vaccine that was mentioned today is that for those who never had chemo and herceptin? does anyone know?
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I am a triple postivie, and was diagnosed In April, 2006, and had left mrm. It was my choice. Since my tumors were so tiny, at THAT time, I was told that I didn't qualify for chemo, didn't need rads because of the mastectomy and clear margins, clear nodes, and no herceptin. For many reasons, 18 months later, I went to a new oncologist, and she told me that I probably wouldn't have been given anything more than what I am taking now, which is Femara. And she hesitates with Femara. So, I really am the odd duck out. I don't know now, since they are paying a little more attention to early bc-ers, if I would be given chemo and Herceptin or not. Perhaps if I had just gone the lumpectomy route, maybe I would have been given more. There is no way of second guessing since I'm just not the knowledgeable, and there is no looking back. Only forward. Together, the tumors measured < than 1 cm. Two years ago, that was a factor. OOPS, just looked back, didn't I? :-)
I don't know if the vaccine in the works is for those who haven't had chemo or not. I am taking the article to my onc. and will know the middle of July at my appointment. It is now entering Phase II of the trial, so maybe more answers will be learned with this. Maybe Tender or Angel can answer that one.
Jennifer
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Jennifer -
That is interesting. I was just diagnosed on May 15th. Had lumpectomy with clear margins. Tumor 7mm, Grade 3, ER/PR/HER2+, negative nodes. My oncologist at UPENN said that the HER2+ alone would dictate chemo. Couple that with a Grade 3 tumor and it's a done deal....according to him. I'm still waiting for my oncotype score to come back...not that it will make a difference in my treatment -- I'm just curious to see what it is. He's recommending 6x TCH. Herceptin to continue for a total period of one year. Then 36 treatments of radiation and tamoxifan for a few years. I got a second opinion from another hospital/oncologist who concurred exactly with that treatment plan. I'm certainly not looking forward to it!
Kim
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I just paid attention to my signature, and noticed that the size of the tumors are not on there. Yours was bigger than mine, and that may have contributed to your treatment plan, and age does figure in also, I think. My tumors were 0.3mm, and0.2 mmm. 0.2mm tumor was IDC, with 95% of that still contained. So, my tumors together were less than a milimeter. I was told by surgeon, pcp, and oncologists that mine was the earliest of the early. SOOOOOOOO, taking all this into consideration, and remembering that this was two years ago, it all added up to all of those concerned that I didn't get anything but what I did. Oh, the 0.3mm tumor was idc.
Jennifer
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Hello all,
Triple+ as well. I elected Dbl Mast with immediate reconstruction on 5/27/08. I begin chemo/herceptin on July 9th. I am participating in a clinical study and will due 4 tx's of Taxol DD.
It was a difficult decision for me as well, but given the HER2+, Grade 3 and my age (38) everyone said I should do the Chemo. The plan is to do 12 months of the Herceptin and then 5 years of Tamoxifen.
I hope that I am making the right choice. At stage I, it seems there are so many routes to take.
Melissa
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Hi Ladies,
My dx is similar to many here. I have met with two oncs, one local and the other at the Cleveland Clinic Cancer Center. Both recommended regimen of TCH (Taxotere/Cytoxan/Herceptin) due to the high grade tumor and the HER2+ dx. Local onc said TCH 4x and Clinic onc said 6x. I am going with the 4x as my local onc said that with smaller size of my tumor and no node involvement, she feels 6x is too much.
My first tx was last Thursday 7/10 and doing well so far. Of course, I don't feel 'normal', but am functional. SEs are nausea, some fatigue, eye dryness and sore throat...
Best wishes ladies.. I will check back to see how everyone is doing on their tx decisions...
Michelle
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Hi BlueJay. My dx sounds *very* similar to yours -- 1.1 cm, node negative, triple positive. I was poorly differentiated and had a high Oncotype score or else I might have opted out of the chemo. I did dose dense A, C, T, one year of Herceptin, rads and am on my 2nd year of Tamox. Will probably switch to an aromatase inhibitor soon since I had an ooph (for other reasons, primarily) in April.
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doctor pls
i would like to know further management and prognosis of 66yrs old female diagnosed as Lt invasive breast cancer ( 1.5 cm) but no lymph node involvement and no more metastasis .( biopsy report grade 1 invasive ca breast) and ( T1N0M0) now surgical mastectomy was done and axillary lymphnode clearance also completely. my oncologist decieded to give systemic chemotherapy with ( EC and taxol) while waiting ER PR and CerB2 result.now first cycle chemo was given with EC last 1week ago. i got ER,PR and CerB2 result yesterday and were as follow
ER- positive in 50% of tumor cell
PR- positive in 50% of tumor cell
CerB2- 3+
so, i 'm not understanding well on triple positive ca breast and want to know disease process and prognosis and further management. i would be very thanks for your expert opinion.
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minkyaw....We are not Doctors just patients like you
There is a Thread about Triple Positive...maybe you can get some answers there
good Luck
Sheila
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/80/topic/764183?page=467#idx_14002 -
I have this exact type and even tumor size. Well to moderately differentiated. Since I am alone I have to stay functional with as few side effects as possible. At the time I was to start chemo (2/15) a new study had come out of Eric Winer's lab at Dana Farber that showed weekly Taxol + Herceptin x 12 weeks showed no evidence of disease 3 to 4 years out, I opted for it. Weekly doses are smaller as opposed to every 3 weeks which is a triple dose. Herceptin continues for a total of 1 year. So far no evidence of disease and negligible side effects.
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I have triple positive early stage IDC as well. I had Taxol+ Herceptin weekly x12 also. Liked the smaller weekly doses because had mild side effects because of it. Now on Herceptin only + Arimidex daily/5yrs.
Tankweti, how do you know you have no evidence of disease? Have you had some scans , if yes what? I'm also wandering if my cancer is responding to Herceptin. How would I find out? Any info is appreciated.
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i had a lot of high grade DCIS, and only 1.5mm of IDC. I was diagnosed at 40, with two small kids. I chose taxol and herceptin. I am also on Lupron for ovarian suppression, and tamoxifen. My onc thinks it it super important to keep my estrogen levels down. I found treatment tolerable. I worked throughout. I have two more herceptin treatments to go. I consulted with 5 MOs. 2 said do it, 2 said don't do it, 1 said there was no way to tell. But I knew for me, I would never forgive myself if I recurred and didn't do the treatment.
Good luck with your decision.
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