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  • KKing
    KKing Member Posts: 425
    edited June 2008

    Welcome Ellen... you seem to have a lot more to deal with than some of us.   You have to worry about yourself and the baby.  My prayers are with you that all goes well.  What does the doctor say about how the chemo will affect the baby???

    Glad to hear everyone else is doing alright. 

    Hang in there,  Karen

  • Wyoming
    Wyoming Member Posts: 381
    edited June 2008

    JoAnne sorry to hear about your mom.

    Went for my first chemo on the 19th. Everything went great until midnight. I felt like I hade the flu. Had to go get an echocardiogram, which went fine. After I got home started throwing up for the next 24 hours. Went hospital for iv fluids and additional anti-nausea(spc). I can eat and drink now and feel much much better. Even though I had a bad day with treament am so glad  that I only have 5 more to go.

    I'm sorry if I haven't  been specfic to answering any one person. My mind is a little confused and overwhelmed, soo good luck and my prayers are with everyone.

    Wyoming

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited June 2008

    Monday morning, after a very restful night's sleep. Day 4 after my first AC dose dense tx. Lips and mouth are dry, using biotene paste and mouth wash, sucking on ice chips. Drink, drink, drink water. NO appetite, nothing tastes good, soup felt slimey. But I managed half a burger and triscuit crackers w/pb. Individual fruit cups and yogurt. Popsicles had no taste, but felt good in my mouth.



    I love salads, but onco said only raw things I can have are the kind that can be washed with soap and water, like oranges or apples and peel the skin off. or cooked. So, I guess lettuce is out, unless I figure out how to wash in soap and water... hee hee... As much as i do not want to become too germ conscious, I was told we/I need to be super careful since our immune systems are down. The good part is, summer is not the flu season. LIving alone has that advantage, only MY germs are around here.



    IF anyone has any diet hints, or a daily menu suggestion, I would appreciate it. Food is the last thing on my mind, but I know I must eat and keep nourished and hydrated. I am allergic to egg whites, so that source of protein is out for me.



    I am hoping the rest of you are having a decent day. HUGS, Nancy

  • KKing
    KKing Member Posts: 425
    edited June 2008

    Nancy

    It sure is weird what chemo does to you isn't it.   I had a hard time eating at first so I had a couple of instant breakfasts... I found I could stomach the milk.   Toast became a staple as well.  I have been eating salad... I thought this was okay.  I just started slowly and by day 5  I could eat most things.

    Hope you have a good day

    Karen

  • Gina_M
    Gina_M Member Posts: 294
    edited June 2008

    Hi Texasmom,

    We have the same pathology and I will be getting the same treatment.  I start July 8th.  How is it going so far? (I think you said you started early June.)  I won't get the first Herceptin until the second cycle of TC.

    Gina

  • Jo-Anne
    Jo-Anne Member Posts: 41
    edited June 2008

    Good morning everyone - thank you each and everyone for your condolences.

    My first chemo is scheduled for Wednesday morning. DH and BF (best friend) Jen will take me, but DH will have to leave in order to catch his flight to Boston. DD is flying in from SC, they will meet up somewhere there. The funeral is Thursday morning. DD will fly back to SC Fri. DH will fly back Sat. he wants to spend Fri with his mom who is 93! Jen will stay with me one or two nights she is scheduled to return to the U. K. on Saturday, then my other DD will come in to stay with me 'til her Dad gets home on Sat. I'm glad they are all making these plans. I can't keep up with it! And next week promises more of the same!

    Hello Ellen - we're glad to meet you - not under these circumstances - but welcome to our group - these ladies are the best - the support is unbelieveable. I will keep your and your soon to be newest addition in my prayers.

    Hello Rover girl.

    Wyoming - Hope you're feeling better.

    Firebug1 - I know where you are having your treatments. My docs are in Montgomery County. I have a history with the surgeon and trust him implicitely. The medical oncologist I'm using is the same one that my friend Jen had when she had BC. She's a 5 year survivor and in April 08 will be a 5 year survivor of ovarian Ca. I haven't picked my radiologist oncologist yet but will probably ask the medical onco who she will refer me to. I don't have to cross that bridge just yet.

    Well, I really gotta get going and get something done around here!

    BBL

    Jo-Anne

  • Jo-Anne
    Jo-Anne Member Posts: 41
    edited June 2008

    Okay, one more thing - Nancy you seem to have kept the scary mouth sores at bay - did you chew ice chips during chemo? I so have the Biotene products in my 'chemo stash'

    Thank you in advance.

    Jo-Anne

  • kaejon
    kaejon Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2008

    it's been a few weeks since i've been in here but i've just finnished up with all of my tests and had a port put in my chest, which got infected. just returned from my onco, i start on wednesday(25th). i'm going to be on adriamycin and cytoxan every 2 weeks for 2 months. anyone else on these? i'm kinda of nervous about wednesday. then i go in for a shot on friday, forget exactly what for.

    sorry to hear about your mom jo-anne, i hope you're doing better now.

    my sons b-day is on sunday, that's 4 days after chemo. does anyone think i'll be doing ok by then, or what kind of afters should i be expecting? hugs to all  

  • Jo-Anne
    Jo-Anne Member Posts: 41
    edited June 2008

    Hi Kaejon, sorry, I don't have any suggestions regarding how you may feel four days after chemo hopefully , some of the others who have been through this will log in and answer your question.

    Well as fate would have it - I have been fighting a cold for about a week - I called my med onco office ree the cold and chemo - told them about my mother - the onco got on the phone, they won't start chemo if I'm ill - they have rescheduled me to start July 2nd. She also gave me permission to travel, but to be careful. Mask/gloves (my port has metal in it and I have to show a card to the security people at the gate) Do you think I'll look suspicious? I could have some fun with this!

    Jo-Anne

  • Elliemae32
    Elliemae32 Member Posts: 72
    edited June 2008

    Karen, 

       Amazingly I can't take advil, but chemo will be just fine for the little man!  All of the MD's have said that the placenta is a wonderful thing and it protects the baby from this type of chemo.  Everyone that I have talked to have had healthy babies, maybe just a little smaller than "normal".  They also tend to have a headfull of hair while mom does not!  I sure hope so : )   

  • KKing
    KKing Member Posts: 425
    edited June 2008

    Elliemae32... I am glad to hear that.  Are the side effect meds okay as well... you will need them as well so you can keep eating properly.

     Kaejon,  if the side effect meds work right away for you, you should be okay by the 4th day.  I am only going by my first treatment June4th... I was sick for the first day because my meds didn't kick in but by day 3 and 4 I was functioning pretty good and it carried on from there.  You may want to rest up alot on day 3 so you have the energy level the next day.

    Karen

  • Wyoming
    Wyoming Member Posts: 381
    edited June 2008

    Good evening,

    I'm back with the living. Eating has finally been better. What has helped me is applesauce, pudding, and peanut butter sandwich.  My husband made a homemade chicken soup which was wonderful. If you are having problems eating, the best is to eat a little bit at a time. My doc said to eat every 1/2 hour or hour, maybe a bite or two. If you like breakfast but can't eat in the morning eat it for dinner.

    Kaejon, my day three was the worst. Day 4 and 5 have been recovery days. My doc is going to gvie me anditional meds to help with side effects. The first treatment is hard as you don't know how you will react.

    Jo-Anne good luck with cold and travel. Let us know if you set anything off!

    Wyoming

  • ddminer
    ddminer Member Posts: 27
    edited June 2008

    Hi KKing   I started chemo on June 9th.  And my hair is just starting to come out.  I am going to have my Daughter In Law buzz it off either Tues. or Wed.  My first few days post chemo were no fun.  I had quite a bit of nausea.  But the medication did help and after about 5 days I was my energetic self somewhat again. My main complaint the first few days after chemo was  NO energy!!  But this past week I felt real good and we had a house full of company to visit while I felt good.  Our Son and family which was great I love having the Grandkids.  For the first treatment I was quite nervous.  But now that I know what to expect it won't be as bad for round 2 which will be on the 30th.  I had to go in today and have my blood counts checked and everything was good.  Oh and the Senekot-S came in handy for me.  Wow did I get constipated after the first treatment.  But I have heard some have the other problem.  I also really tasted it when going in through the port.  Hard sour candy like jolly ranchers helps.  Well ladies think positive all we will make it through this keep a smile and take it one day at a time.   

  • ddminer
    ddminer Member Posts: 27
    edited June 2008

    Kaejon 

    I am also on cytoxan and adriamycin and then I also get a day later a shot of neulasta to help keep the white cells a pumping.  So how did you do with your treatment?  And how many will you have total? I think I read for 2 months.  I have my treatment every 3 weeks not every other week like you and it will last for 6 months total it ends in Nov. It is like I had it on Mon. the 9th and then again on June 30th and then next on July 21st. If you read my post above it tells how I did with the first one.  I did have nausea problems but one lady I know didn't so we all react different. My main thing was no energy for the first few days.  Well I hope yours is going well take care all.   

  • Vinogal
    Vinogal Member Posts: 439
    edited June 2008

    Hey Junies.......looks like I will be part of the club afterall.......met my onco today.....a little bit nervous when he first entered the room.....can you say Doogie Houser?.......youngest looking doctor I have ever seen........he was awesome and answered all of my questions......his nurse is a lovely woman........it felt a little bit like  The Fast and Furious.....3 hours later.......I have chemo school set up for tomorrow........and start.....chemo on Wednesday......so the 25th is my big day......he would have started next week.....but I have a summer trip with the kids planned in July.....so we made sure thart it would fall on my good week.......I will be getting dose dense AC + T....followed by herceptin for a year.........I will be recieving Nupogen shots on day 3 to 10 to boost WBC.....the nurse will come to the house everyday....for those.....and they will let me do my own for the mini vacay with the kids......so all in all.....no real surprises today.....except for the whirlwind of activity and start date.....but it feels good to be moving forward........I love reading all of your posts.....so keep them coming...........enjoy your cocktails.........cheers....

    Jax

  • Westie
    Westie Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2008

    Hey Vinogal, you're on your way!  Whay is your Dr.'s name?  My chemo day is Tues.  Darn, I was hoping to meet you.  FYI, I had no side effects from the neupogen and the AC takes only about 45 min. to run.  You'll be home in no time on Wed.  Sending positive thoughts.

    Westie

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited June 2008

    Good morning:  Chemo # 1, day 5 after.   Yesterday I felt really lousy,  achy, slept most of the time.   Stomach was jumpy, but not nausea.   That is what I was told would happen after the neulasta shot, which is to boost the white blood count and prevent anemia and/or bleeding.  

     Joann:  Yes, I sucked ice chips during the infusion and most of the rest of that day and next.   I do not have mouth sores, just chapped lips and dry mouth.   and a quick rinse with the Biotene mouthwash after I eat anything.   

     The NO energy thing is very real.   And no taste.  things felt cold or warm in my mouth, but they all tasted like cardboard.   I am feeling like I want someone to come over and take care of me.. I do not like doing this all alone.   A warm shower feels great, but then it makes me sleepy again.   I guess sleep is not a bad thing.

     My sister invited herself to visit after my 2nd chemo and I warned her that I may just lie around and sleep.    I am in virginia and she is in Colorado and will stop to see me on her way back home after visiting our 95 yr old mom in Pittsburgh.   She does a once a year visit to see mom, but she picks the time and didn't ask if it was a good time for me...   oh well, lol.  I have an air bed she can sleep on and if she doesnt like it, she can find a hotel.   

    Take care of yourselves.  HUGS,  Nancy 

  • hunkydory
    hunkydory Member Posts: 1,241
    edited May 2011

    Vinogal,

    Good Luck Tomorrow.  I'll be thinking about you.  You have waited long enough.  It's time to "Rock the Boat!"  Oh, and in response to your comment about enjoying our cocktails, I am so looking forward to the time I can enjoy a real one requiring only a valid ID.  HunkyD

  • KKing
    KKing Member Posts: 425
    edited June 2008

    ddminer... I do feel so much better now that I have done the buzz cut.   Good to hear you are feeling so much better.

    Well Vinogal...  You are starting ... that is good to hear.  I will be thinking of you tomorrow as I have my second treatment tomorrow.   So hopefully no real side effects for either of us.

    Nancy... you should just keep feeling better until the next treatment.  I agreee with you about having a real one.Laughing

    Hope you all have a good day.

    Karen

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited June 2008

    I'm poking my head in from May 2008 to say "How are you doing?" I have been thinking of my June "sisters" and thought I'd drop you a quick line.

    I just finished 4 dd A/C.  If Chemo was Day #1, then Days 3 & 4 were the hardest for me in terms of queasiness and fatigue -- but by Day 5 I was feeling human again and up and about. The 4th A/C was emotionally and physically more difficult for me (and for others) than I'd anticipated. I was "already" halfway done, but at the same time I was "only" halfway done (i.e., we still have 4 Taxol). Plus, I had just gotten the hang of A/C and I think I'm a little anxious about changing to another drug (better the devil you know...)

    Honestly, though, the first two months have flown by and I hope it does for all of you, too.  Take good care!  I'm cheering for you! Cheering for all of us from just a little farther (further?) on down the road!

  • Vinogal
    Vinogal Member Posts: 439
    edited June 2008

    Went to Chemo school today.........didn't learn much.......you guys have all taught me more.......did get to pick a really cute head scarf that I will wear for sleeping out of the bins they have.......and got a lovely blanket that the volunteers make.......also snuck in a mani and pedi on my way home.......have a haircut tonight.........my hair is very long......so I'll go pretty short and donate my hair......gotta go research wether locks for love or the pantene one......I figure it's the least I can do.......got all the last minute things from the shopping tips list......thanks to Rock!.....It has been a whirlwind couple of days......I am just so thankful that the kids are still in school atleast till Thursday.......still haven't told them.......and I'm hoping I 'm not feeling too bad after tomorrow.......I would like to wait till the hubby's back from his business trip on Friday to tell them.........got the last spot in the Look Good program for next week.....so that is something to look forward to.

    HunkyD......I wish we were all getting real fun cocktails with fancy umberellas and really cool names.......we will all be there again soon.

    Westie......his name is Dr. Murkergee.......he seems great once you get over the fact that he looks and sounds 12.......

    Good luck to all......fingers crossed for few SE's for all

    Cheers

    Jax

  • deecsw
    deecsw Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2008

    Hi all,

    Chemo #2 today did NOT go well at all. From the very start I had a feeling that something was going to be off. First, I had a different person put my IV in. It was uncomfortable and that feeling did not go away at all as time went on. I was not given enough time for my veins to "warm up" and I think the pain I experienced was a direct result of that (despite telling the nurse that one of the other nurses had JUST put a different warming pad on me). The nurse even noticed swelling in the hand, but all she suggested was putting amother heat pack on it, Then the pre-meds were not dripping properly. She had me "reposition my hand" and then the drugs started to flow. Once this was done, I got up to use the bathroom, looked down, and there was blood in the tubing. she flushed it. She was going to remove it and look for another vein but then showed me how I had "good flow" and then said I was "not easy," which I took as meaning that it would not be an easy task to find another good vein (we are limited to one hand). So, against my better judgement, I agreed to keep it in. What I should have done was insist that she remove it and that she find someone else to do it. G-d only knows why I didn't. It's so unlike me not to speak up.

    Finally, the Taxotere was administered. Five minutes into it, I started to hiccup, then got this terrible heartburn feeling, and the next thing I knew, my face started to swell and tighten and then I could not breathe. I was able to call for help (respond time was excellent) and was given Benadryl through the IV and then oxygen. It cleared up in less than 5 minutes, but, of course, we were all completely freaked out, and, of course, I did not receive any more treatment today.

    We met with my oncologist afterwards to discuss other options and he gave us three:

    1) We could try the drug again but in a hospital setting, as I would have a 50/50 chance of having another reaction. Uhh, DONT THINK SO.

    2) He could give me the drug Adriamycin along with the Cytoxan. Adriamycin is the drug that I told him I originally did NOT want, due to it possibly causing heart complications (my father died 2 years ago of heart-related complications from chronic heart disease). It also may cause "chemo-induced leukemia."

    3) We could try the drug Abraxane in combo with Cytoxan. However, Abraxene is normally used for women with metastatic disease (this is not me), and so the likelihood of my insurance accepting this combo would be slim to none. This drug costs THOUSANDS.

    So I chose option #2, which NOW means going back to my radiology group to have a MUGA. As long as my heart functions normally and the blood flow is good, I can take the drug. Unfortunately, this means more radioactive material injected into me and more pics taken (I had a bone scan less two weeks ago). Fortunately, the office was able to get me in for a scan tomorrow morning (after pulling strings with my insurance co. to get "emergency precertification)."

    SO...my chemo regimen and schedule has changed YET again. I will be getting "AC" instead of "TC" and we are BACK to every TWO weeks, not three. The downside of this is I will have little to no recovery time so I cannot schedule my plastic surgery appts. in between (this slows down my fills and exchange surgery).

    The BIGGEST thing is that the Adriamycin may seriously irritate my veins, and because I opted NOT to put in a port, I may run into problems. My onco and my favorite nurse said they would try the IV/vein next time (they are limited to one hand bc of my lymph node surgery on the other side) but if they had difficulty "getting a good vein," I would need to compromise and get the port or a "PICC line" put in for the next 2 treatments. This disturbs me, as it would mean having yet ANOTHER thing I did not want, and for only two more sessions, it just doesn't seem right or worth the trouble, pain and/or discomfort.

    The only GOOD thing about this change is that chemo will now end even EARLIER than before as I will receive the three treatments all within the month of July. This leaves August to recuperate, and will hopefully enable us to make a trip down to Virginia in August to see family. Maybe I'll have some hair by the time my son starts school?!

    Any thoughts on what happened here? A friend of mine would like me to believe that this was all the nurse's fault as she "misjudged the vein" and that's why my hand initially swelled up. She went on to say that "the liquid (aka meds) was going into the wrong place. She says if the needle was positioned correctly maybe this wouldn't have happened today. Does this make any sense?

  • deecsw
    deecsw Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2008

    Hi all,

    Chemo #2 today did NOT go well at all. From the very start I had a feeling that something was going to be off. First, I had a different person put my IV in. It was uncomfortable and that feeling did not go away at all as time went on. I was not given enough time for my veins to "warm up" and I think the pain I experienced was a direct result of that (despite telling the nurse that one of the other nurses had JUST put a different warming pad on me). The nurse even noticed swelling in the hand, but all she suggested was putting amother heat pack on it, Then the pre-meds were not dripping properly. She had me "reposition my hand" and then the drugs started to flow. Once this was done, I got up to use the bathroom, looked down, and there was blood in the tubing. she flushed it. She was going to remove it and look for another vein but then showed me how I had "good flow" and then said I was "not easy," which I took as meaning that it would not be an easy task to find another good vein (we are limited to one hand). So, against my better judgement, I agreed to keep it in. What I should have done was insist that she remove it and that she find someone else to do it. G-d only knows why I didn't. It's so unlike me not to speak up.

    Finally, the Taxotere was administered. Five minutes into it, I started to hiccup, then got this terrible heartburn feeling, and the next thing I knew, my face started to swell and tighten and then I could not breathe. I was able to call for help (respond time was excellent) and was given Benadryl through the IV and then oxygen. It cleared up in less than 5 minutes, but, of course, we were all completely freaked out, and, of course, I did not receive any more treatment today.

    We met with my oncologist afterwards to discuss other options and he gave us three:

    1) We could try the drug again but in a hospital setting, as I would have a 50/50 chance of having another reaction. Uhh, DONT THINK SO.

    2) He could give me the drug Adriamycin along with the Cytoxan. Adriamycin is the drug that I told him I originally did NOT want, due to it possibly causing heart complications (my father died 2 years ago of heart-related complications from chronic heart disease). It also may cause "chemo-induced leukemia."

    3) We could try the drug Abraxane in combo with Cytoxan. However, Abraxene is normally used for women with metastatic disease (this is not me), and so the likelihood of my insurance accepting this combo would be slim to none. This drug costs THOUSANDS.

    So I chose option #2, which NOW means going back to my radiology group to have a MUGA. As long as my heart functions normally and the blood flow is good, I can take the drug. Unfortunately, this means more radioactive material injected into me and more pics taken (I had a bone scan less two weeks ago). Fortunately, the office was able to get me in for a scan tomorrow morning (after pulling strings with my insurance co. to get "emergency precertification)."

    SO...my chemo regimen and schedule has changed YET again. I will be getting "AC" instead of "TC" and we are BACK to every TWO weeks, not three. The downside of this is I will have little to no recovery time so I cannot schedule my plastic surgery appts. in between (this slows down my fills and exchange surgery).

    The BIGGEST thing is that the Adriamycin may seriously irritate my veins, and because I opted NOT to put in a port, I may run into problems. My onco and my favorite nurse said they would try the IV/vein next time (they are limited to one hand bc of my lymph node surgery on the other side) but if they had difficulty "getting a good vein," I would need to compromise and get the port or a "PICC line" put in for the next 2 treatments. This disturbs me, as it would mean having yet ANOTHER thing I did not want, and for only two more sessions, it just doesn't seem right or worth the trouble, pain and/or discomfort.

    The only GOOD thing about this change is that chemo will now end even EARLIER than before as I will receive the three treatments all within the month of July. This leaves August to recuperate, and will hopefully enable us to make a trip down to Virginia in August to see family. Maybe I'll have some hair by the time my son starts school?!

    Any thoughts on what happened here? A friend of mine would like me to believe that this was all the nurse's fault as she "misjudged the vein" and that's why my hand initially swelled up. She went on to say that "the liquid (aka meds) was going into the wrong place. She says if the needle was positioned correctly maybe this wouldn't have happened today. Does this make any sense?

  • deecsw
    deecsw Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2008

    Hi all,

    Chemo #2 today did NOT go well at all. From the very start I had a feeling that something was going to be off. First, I had a different person put my IV in. It was uncomfortable and that feeling did not go away at all as time went on. I was not given enough time for my veins to "warm up" and I think the pain I experienced was a direct result of that (despite telling the nurse that one of the other nurses had JUST put a different warming pad on me). The nurse even noticed swelling in the hand, but all she suggested was putting amother heat pack on it, Then the pre-meds were not dripping properly. She had me "reposition my hand" and then the drugs started to flow. Once this was done, I got up to use the bathroom, looked down, and there was blood in the tubing. she flushed it. She was going to remove it and look for another vein but then showed me how I had "good flow" and then said I was "not easy," which I took as meaning that it would not be an easy task to find another good vein (we are limited to one hand). So, against my better judgement, I agreed to keep it in. What I should have done was insist that she remove it and that she find someone else to do it. G-d only knows why I didn't. It's so unlike me not to speak up.

    Finally, the Taxotere was administered. Five minutes into it, I started to hiccup, then got this terrible heartburn feeling, and the next thing I knew, my face started to swell and tighten and then I could not breathe. I was able to call for help (respond time was excellent) and was given Benadryl through the IV and then oxygen. It cleared up in less than 5 minutes, but, of course, we were all completely freaked out, and, of course, I did not receive any more treatment today.

    We met with my oncologist afterwards to discuss other options and he gave us three:

    1) We could try the drug again but in a hospital setting, as I would have a 50/50 chance of having another reaction. Uhh, DONT THINK SO.

    2) He could give me the drug Adriamycin along with the Cytoxan. Adriamycin is the drug that I told him I originally did NOT want, due to it possibly causing heart complications (my father died 2 years ago of heart-related complications from chronic heart disease). It also may cause "chemo-induced leukemia."

    3) We could try the drug Abraxane in combo with Cytoxan. However, Abraxene is normally used for women with metastatic disease (this is not me), and so the likelihood of my insurance accepting this combo would be slim to none. This drug costs THOUSANDS.

    So I chose option #2, which NOW means going back to my radiology group to have a MUGA. As long as my heart functions normally and the blood flow is good, I can take the drug. Unfortunately, this means more radioactive material injected into me and more pics taken (I had a bone scan less two weeks ago). Fortunately, the office was able to get me in for a scan tomorrow morning (after pulling strings with my insurance co. to get "emergency precertification)."

    SO...my chemo regimen and schedule has changed YET again. I will be getting "AC" instead of "TC" and we are BACK to every TWO weeks, not three. The downside of this is I will have little to no recovery time so I cannot schedule my plastic surgery appts. in between (this slows down my fills and exchange surgery).

    The BIGGEST thing is that the Adriamycin may seriously irritate my veins, and because I opted NOT to put in a port, I may run into problems. My onco and my favorite nurse said they would try the IV/vein next time (they are limited to one hand bc of my lymph node surgery on the other side) but if they had difficulty "getting a good vein," I would need to compromise and get the port or a "PICC line" put in for the next 2 treatments. This disturbs me, as it would mean having yet ANOTHER thing I did not want, and for only two more sessions, it just doesn't seem right or worth the trouble, pain and/or discomfort.

    The only GOOD thing about this change is that chemo will now end even EARLIER than before as I will receive the three treatments all within the month of July. This leaves August to recuperate, and will hopefully enable us to make a trip down to Virginia in August to see family. Maybe I'll have some hair by the time my son starts school?!

    Any thoughts on what happened here? A friend of mine would like me to believe that this was all the nurse's fault as she "misjudged the vein" and that's why my hand initially swelled up. She went on to say that "the liquid (aka meds) was going into the wrong place. She says if the needle was positioned correctly maybe this wouldn't have happened today. Does this make any sense?

  • deecsw
    deecsw Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2008

    Hi all,

    Chemo #2 today did NOT go well at all. From the very start I had a feeling that something was going to be off. First, I had a different person put my IV in. It was uncomfortable and that feeling did not go away at all as time went on. I was not given enough time for my veins to "warm up" and I think the pain I experienced was a direct result of that (despite telling the nurse that one of the other nurses had JUST put a different warming pad on me). The nurse even noticed swelling in the hand, but all she suggested was putting amother heat pack on it, Then the pre-meds were not dripping properly. She had me "reposition my hand" and then the drugs started to flow. Once this was done, I got up to use the bathroom, looked down, and there was blood in the tubing. she flushed it. She was going to remove it and look for another vein but then showed me how I had "good flow" and then said I was "not easy," which I took as meaning that it would not be an easy task to find another good vein (we are limited to one hand). So, against my better judgement, I agreed to keep it in. What I should have done was insist that she remove it and that she find someone else to do it. G-d only knows why I didn't. It's so unlike me not to speak up.

    Finally, the Taxotere was administered. Five minutes into it, I started to hiccup, then got this terrible heartburn feeling, and the next thing I knew, my face started to swell and tighten and then I could not breathe. I was able to call for help (respond time was excellent) and was given Benadryl through the IV and then oxygen. It cleared up in less than 5 minutes, but, of course, we were all completely freaked out, and, of course, I did not receive any more treatment today.

    We met with my oncologist afterwards to discuss other options and he gave us three:

    1) We could try the drug again but in a hospital setting, as I would have a 50/50 chance of having another reaction. Uhh, DONT THINK SO.

    2) He could give me the drug Adriamycin along with the Cytoxan. Adriamycin is the drug that I told him I originally did NOT want, due to it possibly causing heart complications (my father died 2 years ago of heart-related complications from chronic heart disease). It also may cause "chemo-induced leukemia."

    3) We could try the drug Abraxane in combo with Cytoxan. However, Abraxene is normally used for women with metastatic disease (this is not me), and so the likelihood of my insurance accepting this combo would be slim to none. This drug costs THOUSANDS.

    So I chose option #2, which NOW means going back to my radiology group to have a MUGA. As long as my heart functions normally and the blood flow is good, I can take the drug. Unfortunately, this means more radioactive material injected into me and more pics taken (I had a bone scan less two weeks ago). Fortunately, the office was able to get me in for a scan tomorrow morning (after pulling strings with my insurance co. to get "emergency precertification)."

    SO...my chemo regimen and schedule has changed YET again. I will be getting "AC" instead of "TC" and we are BACK to every TWO weeks, not three. The downside of this is I will have little to no recovery time so I cannot schedule my plastic surgery appts. in between (this slows down my fills and exchange surgery).

    The BIGGEST thing is that the Adriamycin may seriously irritate my veins, and because I opted NOT to put in a port, I may run into problems. My onco and my favorite nurse said they would try the IV/vein next time (they are limited to one hand bc of my lymph node surgery on the other side) but if they had difficulty "getting a good vein," I would need to compromise and get the port or a "PICC line" put in for the next 2 treatments. This disturbs me, as it would mean having yet ANOTHER thing I did not want, and for only two more sessions, it just doesn't seem right or worth the trouble, pain and/or discomfort.

    The only GOOD thing about this change is that chemo will now end even EARLIER than before as I will receive the three treatments all within the month of July. This leaves August to recuperate, and will hopefully enable us to make a trip down to Virginia in August to see family. Maybe I'll have some hair by the time my son starts school?!

    Any thoughts on what happened here? A friend of mine would like me to believe that this was all the nurse's fault as she "misjudged the vein" and that's why my hand initially swelled up. She went on to say that "the liquid (aka meds) was going into the wrong place. She says if the needle was positioned correctly maybe this wouldn't have happened today. Does this make any sense?

  • deecsw
    deecsw Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2008

    Hi all,

    Chemo #2 today did NOT go well at all. From the very start I had a feeling that something was going to be off. First, I had a different person put my IV in. It was uncomfortable and that feeling did not go away at all as time went on. I was not given enough time for my veins to "warm up" and I think the pain I experienced was a direct result of that (despite telling the nurse that one of the other nurses had JUST put a different warming pad on me). The nurse even noticed swelling in the hand, but all she suggested was putting amother heat pack on it, Then the pre-meds were not dripping properly. She had me "reposition my hand" and then the drugs started to flow. Once this was done, I got up to use the bathroom, looked down, and there was blood in the tubing. she flushed it. She was going to remove it and look for another vein but then showed me how I had "good flow" and then said I was "not easy," which I took as meaning that it would not be an easy task to find another good vein (we are limited to one hand). So, against my better judgement, I agreed to keep it in. What I should have done was insist that she remove it and that she find someone else to do it. G-d only knows why I didn't. It's so unlike me not to speak up.

    Finally, the Taxotere was administered. Five minutes into it, I started to hiccup, then got this terrible heartburn feeling, and the next thing I knew, my face started to swell and tighten and then I could not breathe. I was able to call for help (respond time was excellent) and was given Benadryl through the IV and then oxygen. It cleared up in less than 5 minutes, but, of course, we were all completely freaked out, and, of course, I did not receive any more treatment today.

    We met with my oncologist afterwards to discuss other options and he gave us three:

    1) We could try the drug again but in a hospital setting, as I would have a 50/50 chance of having another reaction. Uhh, DONT THINK SO.

    2) He could give me the drug Adriamycin along with the Cytoxan. Adriamycin is the drug that I told him I originally did NOT want, due to it possibly causing heart complications (my father died 2 years ago of heart-related complications from chronic heart disease). It also may cause "chemo-induced leukemia."

    3) We could try the drug Abraxane in combo with Cytoxan. However, Abraxene is normally used for women with metastatic disease (this is not me), and so the likelihood of my insurance accepting this combo would be slim to none. This drug costs THOUSANDS.

    So I chose option #2, which NOW means going back to my radiology group to have a MUGA. As long as my heart functions normally and the blood flow is good, I can take the drug. Unfortunately, this means more radioactive material injected into me and more pics taken (I had a bone scan less two weeks ago). Fortunately, the office was able to get me in for a scan tomorrow morning (after pulling strings with my insurance co. to get "emergency precertification)."

    SO...my chemo regimen and schedule has changed YET again. I will be getting "AC" instead of "TC" and we are BACK to every TWO weeks, not three. The downside of this is I will have little to no recovery time so I cannot schedule my plastic surgery appts. in between (this slows down my fills and exchange surgery).

    The BIGGEST thing is that the Adriamycin may seriously irritate my veins, and because I opted NOT to put in a port, I may run into problems. My onco and my favorite nurse said they would try the IV/vein next time (they are limited to one hand bc of my lymph node surgery on the other side) but if they had difficulty "getting a good vein," I would need to compromise and get the port or a "PICC line" put in for the next 2 treatments. This disturbs me, as it would mean having yet ANOTHER thing I did not want, and for only two more sessions, it just doesn't seem right or worth the trouble, pain and/or discomfort.

    The only GOOD thing about this change is that chemo will now end even EARLIER than before as I will receive the three treatments all within the month of July. This leaves August to recuperate, and will hopefully enable us to make a trip down to Virginia in August to see family. Maybe I'll have some hair by the time my son starts school?!

    Any thoughts on what happened here? A friend of mine would like me to believe that this was all the nurse's fault as she "misjudged the vein" and that's why my hand initially swelled up. She went on to say that "the liquid (aka meds) was going into the wrong place. She says if the needle was positioned correctly maybe this wouldn't have happened today. Does this make any sense?

  • LeggyJ
    LeggyJ Member Posts: 726
    edited June 2008

    On June 6th, I had my first chemo. one every three weeks, for six months.  My cocktail, is Docetaxol, Cyclophosphamide, and Doxorubicin.  On Friday, I had chemo. and went to work on Monday.  So far, I've been lucky, a week after I missed a days work on friday, collapsed in bed for the weekend, and went back to work on Monday.  On 06/27 will see how it goes....

  • Wyoming
    Wyoming Member Posts: 381
    edited June 2008

    Day 6 and I'm feeling pretty normal, a little tired but not sleepy. Took a walk which helped a lot. My next treatment is July 10th. Sounds like we all have our own side effects to deal with, but with all the tips it helps those of us starting out. Takes the fear away a little. I'm a little apprehensive about second treatment but should be better as my onco has prescribed something for vomitting.

    Keep up the spirits and try to enjoy as much as the summer as possible.

    Wyoming

  • Vinogal
    Vinogal Member Posts: 439
    edited June 2008

    Deecsw......sorry you've had such a rough day........look at the positive.....you'll be done earlier......try and stay focussed on that.......haircut done.......went with the victoria Becham......and I like it......too bad I only get it for a couple of weeks......bright side is......it will feel much quicker to get back to this length than my old style........cut off a 16 inch pony......my hairdressser is donating it for me.........that's the new cut in my new avatar.....

     Cheers

    Jax

  • hunkydory
    hunkydory Member Posts: 1,241
    edited May 2011

     TMI? Probably. 

    I too am on day 6 from tx #1.  The last three days have been interesting.  As of having only two visits from Aunt Flow in the past year....I found she decided to saddle up with me for my 1st TAC tx.  Cramps like i was 30 years old again.  I was in pain from that, neulasta shot side effects, big A_ _  headache or neckache, and all the rest.  Don't really want to complain though as things are easing up now.  Plus, there are sisters here going through a heck of a lot more than that with family, etc.  I will tell my onco at my appt. this Friday.  Really kind of scared me for a while.  Hope all the rest of you find yourself with a good nights sleep.  Sorry for venting!  HunkyD

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