Cellulitis - Lessons Learned

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LindaLou53
LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
edited April 2018 in Lymphedema
Cellulitis - Lessons Learned
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  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited August 2008

    I just got out of the hospital for my first episode of cellulitis.  It is an experience I had hoped to avoid but now that it has happened, I wanted to share what I have learned.

    First lesson learned:  In spite of being vigilant with skin care, wearing compression garments, getting regular MLD and being careful not to injure the arm, cellulitis can still occur without any easily identifiable entry site for bacteria.

    I really did believe that short of a massive injury I would never get cellulitis since I tried so hard to "do everything right".  I have found that there are no guarantees.  I still encourage everyone to follow the standard protocol and preventive tips because your risk of developing cellulitis will be much greater if you do not.  I may well have had multiple episodes by now if I had not taken as good care of my arm as I have. There were no obvious cuts, burns, bites or injury to my arm to account for this infection.

    Second lesson learned: Cellulitis is an emergency situation and should not be ignored.  Early treatment is essential to quick recovery, reduction of further damage to the lymphatics and prevention of more serious systemic septicemia.

    Even though I am well informed about the seriousness of cellulitis I still found myself only mildly concerned when I had a 2-3 inch tender red spot on my upper arm.  I kept thinking that with cool packs, neosporin ointment (even though I could not find any broken skin to apply it to) and close monitoring it might go away. 4 hours later when I observed that the heat and redness was deepened and that I now had spreading pain down my chest wall I decided it was time for a trip to the ER even if it was 3am in the morning.

    Third lesson learned:  Be proactive and keep a current antibiotic prescription filled and ready as needed in the event you have an episode of cellultitis when on vacation or away from home.

    Since my original LE diagnosis 2.5 years ago, I have had my primary MD write me a script for Keflex 500mg PO 4x daily for 10 days.  I fill the script and carry it with me wherever I go.  I actually used it for the first time this week when I took my first dose prior to heading to the ER.  While in many cases a mild case of cellulitis can be cleared up with oral antibiotics, the crucial factor is getting them started very early on.  Even then, it may not be possible to control a raging cellulitis without getting the stronger IV antibiotics.  Having a script already filled saves you some time in starting to fight the infection and also gives you some protection while you head to a medical treatment center.

    Fourth lesson learned: Be your own best advocate and know that you can help direct your own medical care by being prepared and knowledgeable.

    I had decided by 2:30am that I was going to the ER.  Before I left, however, I took 15 minutes to pack my medical history summary (which I had requested long ago from my doc), my LE night time sleeve, my LE Alert wrist band (obtained from Peninsula Medical - free for the asking), my printed out article on Cellulitis from E- Medicine and a recent article from the NLN on Infections with Lymphedema.  I also made sure I had my daily medications and other essential items I might need if I was admitted to the hospital.  These items came in handy for a rapid admission process and I was not lacking necessary items once I learned I would be admitted.

    Fifth lesson learned: Become familiar with the presentation, symptoms and progress patterns of cellulitis so you are better prepared to identify another episode in yourself or others.

    Granted, each person's experience will vary, but there are some basic similarities that should be heeded and respected.  My cellulitis first presented in the evening while I was out to dinner with my husband.  I had a deep achy feeling in my upper arm (Deltoid area) very similar to how it feels a few hours after having a flu shot.  I was wearing my compression sleeve and glove as usual and the pain in my upper arm was bothersome enough that I took some motrin.  I was attributing it to the fact that I am in the middle of a kitchen remodel and have been removing wallpaper, unloading cabinets and probably just "overdid it". The motrin helped, but a couple hours later while rubbing my arm through the sleeve I felt a new tender spot further down on my arm.  I removed my sleeve and found the irregularly shaped red blotchy area that was warm to the touch and tender when pressed on.

     This is when your mind starts to play games.  I was initially in a state of denial even though I knew logically that these were symptoms of infection.  I used cool compresses, marked the red area with a permanent marker so I could determine if it was spreading over time, and thoroughly examined my arm for any signs of breaks in skin.  I adopted the "wait and see" attitude for a few hours.  I did not yet take my first Keflex capsule because I knew once I started I would have to complete the full 10 day course and I wanted to "be sure" it was cellulitis.  As I said... I was in denial.

    Only about 4 hours later when I started to feel chilled, my left shoulder area was hot to touch and I saw the beginnings of tender red blotches on my chest wall did I know that it was time to face reality.  Within 2 hours of getting to the ER my cellulitis has spread down my left side, small red streaks were running from my collar bone down my left upper chest and large red blotches were popping up on my back at the left shoulderblade.  I went from feeling so hot I wished for a fan to feeling so chilled my teeth shook and was covering up with anything I could find.  In spite of this wide variation in my body's perception of temperature, my actual oral temperature never did get higher than 99.8F.  If there had been bacterial spread to the blood stream, high fevers would have been much more likely.

    After the first 24 hours of IV antibiotics the improvement was remarkable.  I still had red blotches all over my arm and chest but the heat was dissipating.  After 48 hours the blotches themselves were fading and becoming less tender.  Labwork was drawn to verify no major bacterial infection in the blood. (cellulitis infection can spread through the lymphatics themselves and is called lymphangitis. Left untreated long enough the bacteria can reach the blood stream and cause serious damage to other organs.  Typically a bacteremia/septicemia is much more difficult to treat and can result in not days, but weeks in the hospital)  Fortunately, my cellulitis was treated early enough to not result in more than a 2 day hospital stay.  I am now on a 10 day course of oral antibiotics and will be seen by my PMD next week to be sure everything is cleared up. 

    I hope sharing this has been beneficial.  I certainly feel I am now better prepared to recognize and accept the presence of cellulitis than I was before.  I certainly do not want someone to walk away from this post, however, in a panic and worry every time they get a minor break in their skin.  I can tell you that I have had skin breaks, bug bites numerous times that never resulted in an infection.  Still, I have a newfound respect for the fact that the potential for infection is always there in spite of my best efforts.  That knowledge still does not negate the importance of practicing the best prevention habits and learning to recognize when urgent treatment is needed.

  • sushanna1
    sushanna1 Member Posts: 764
    edited June 2008

    Linda Lou,

    Thank you so much taking the time to write such an informative post.  Much appreciated.

    Sue

  • jinky
    jinky Member Posts: 746
    edited June 2008

    Hi LL,

     I am so sorry this has happened to you and i know you handled it so well.

    Thanks for sharing as we can all learn from this.

    LL do you think overuse of our arm can cause cellulites? Maybe something like

    that could trigger it. Nothing surprises me with LE anymore.

    LE is so hard to figure out.

    If i drive more than 15 minutes my arm pains from the elbow to the shoulder

    and takes days to get better.

    So happy you are feeling better. le hugs jinky

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited June 2008

    FrownSurprisedFrown!!!

    LindaLou, thanks for this. That denial is what I dread most in myself, too. SO GLAD you're home and healing! The ideas for what to pack along are really helpful. I'm printing that out and putting it with my LE supplies so I can consult it when I need it.

    Yikes!

    Binney 

  • RIV54
    RIV54 Member Posts: 359
    edited June 2008

    LindaLou, thanks for this important information. I worry sometimes that I might miss something out of ignorance and end up with a serious infection. You have been very informative and thorough. Thanks again.

  • Hope_M
    Hope_M Member Posts: 261
    edited June 2008

    WOW. A sobering and extremely helpful post. I am printing it out for my husband to read.



    LindaLou-- do or did you have lots of swelling ordinarily from your LE? Or is your arm basically normal/well-controlled?



    Hope M.

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited August 2008

    Hope, my LE has never had large volume increases but I did quickly become Stage 2 LE with lots of fibrosis early on.  My LE arm has about a 9-10% volume increase compared to my normal arm.  I have been basically at maintenance level for the last year, which always involves a certain amount of swelling and persistent fibrosis since my arm will never revert to normal.

    I want to mention a couple more important aspects of dealing with a cellulitis episode.  Once you have an active infection with areas of redness, swelling and pain, the general consensus is that you should no longer wear a compression garment or participate in MLD sessions for fear of more rapidly spreading the infection.  While there is still debate about this topic, I have been told by knowledgeable therapists that they recommend holding off compression garments until you have had at least 24-48 hours of antibiotics in your system. 

    My physician concurred with this idea and allowed me to donn my sleeve and glove after the first day of antibiotics was completed.  I was instructed by my therapist, however, that I should abstain from MLD for at least a week and all areas of redness/heat should be resolved first.  Hopefully, this will be an area that further research can clarify more specifically for us in the future.

  • Hope_M
    Hope_M Member Posts: 261
    edited June 2008

    Thank you!



    Hope M.

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited June 2008

    Hi Jinky Smile  I think overuse can certainly increase our risks of infection because there can be more swelling and more high protein content LE fluid in our arms just waiting for a bacteria to come floating by.  But I believe there has to be a source of bacteria from somewhere to initiate the infection process, so just increased LE fluid alone should not cause infection.  The less hospitable we can make the environment for bacteria the less likely a major infection will take root.  All the more reason to try to keep our LE at peak maintenance.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited June 2008

    LindaLou, I agree with you that there has to be some dratted bacteria coming from somewhere to cause an infection to flare up. So what do you make of this "spontaneous infection" they talk about? What on earth mechanism can start an infection INSIDE us without a skin break? Is it dry skin with micro-cracks? Or some bacteria just hanging out in our bodies that drifts by our lymphedema-ridden limb, notices the protein-rich fluid, and hops off to start a family? There has to be some explanation, but none comes to mind. Paper cuts, okay. Insect bites, sure. A scrape, a burn, even a hang nail. But if the integument is not violated, how on earth does this happen?!

    Just gives me a sad, sort of stupid feeling -- infections out of nowhere?!?!Frown What do you make of it?

    Binney 

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited June 2008

    Binney, my suspicion is that bacteria from an outside source has found its way through as you say "micro-cracks" or a route not easily visible to the naked eye.  There is a theory about bacteria entering from around our nailbeds and the tiny open areas often found around our cuticles.  I have heard that the location of the red, hot inflamed area is not always the site where the bacteria entered the body, but just the location where the bacteria stopped to replicate and cause an inflammatory response.  Perhaps this might account for most cases of "spontaneous infection". 

    Otherwise, it is also true that our bodies house many forms of "good" bacteria on an ongoing basis. If the natural balance is thrown off by immune system problems or use of chemical agents such as antibiotics, chemotherapy etc., certain bacteria or fungus already naturally in our systems can grow wildly, unchecked by the bodies usual system of balances and create an infection.  Just a guess on my part.

  • NancyM
    NancyM Member Posts: 289
    edited June 2008

    Linda Lou - I appreciate the info about having the medical summary, etc. all ready to go.  Such a good idea!

    Binney - I have had localized cellulitis in my forearm a couple of times, and a couple of times in my breast.  My doctor explained that the lymph fluid collects bacteria that's already in the body and removes it, but stagnant lymph allows it to multiply - kind of like getting appendicitis (bacteria finds a good place to grow).

    Last year I posted about all the flea bites on my arm (from son's cat on my trip to California)  and I never got cellulitis from that.  Go figure!

    I have not had a good fitting sleeve for a few months, so I do MLD and keep an eye on things, and I have had NO problems.  For the first time.  What the heck??  I think maybe for me the compression was causing as much of a problem as it was preventing?  Makes me wonder....

  • NancyM
    NancyM Member Posts: 289
    edited June 2008

    Linda Lou - I just saw your post when mine posted...I forgot that we get exposed to lots of "stuff" throughout the day that our immune systems fight off without us even knowing.  I wonder how the body can tell the good from the bad bacteria.  Maybe sometimes it's like an autoimmune response, like allergies, etc.  The immune system tries to kill whatever is going past and that causes inflammation and a whole chain reaction happens.  I was thinking about how you got so blotchy so fast...

  • neat
    neat Member Posts: 133
    edited June 2008

    LindaLou - Sorry that you had cellulitis. Thanks for posting the helpful info about it. Best wishes for good health!

  • gracejon
    gracejon Member Posts: 972
    edited June 2008

    My  doctor I saw gave my Keflex to use.  The doctor said to use it at the first sign of anything and stop in a day or 2 if I didn't think I needed it.  Of course I forget to keep track of expiration dates and have had to call on the only occassion I used it.

  • bingbing
    bingbing Member Posts: 82
    edited June 2008

    very useful info Linda Lou.I also copied it and will keep it in my le folder where I can find it. I have a question... would lymphoderm lotion be practical and helpful in preventing cellulitis ? I don't have any but I have been checking it out, and thinking it might be a good idea. It is just so expensive but if it helps it would be so worth it. Thanks, Sharon

  • Jennifer1295
    Jennifer1295 Member Posts: 244
    edited June 2008

    I have only had one incident with cellulitis which I went to the doctors office immediately for. Although he knew what it was he still did a blood test to confirm it. I also never really had a temperature. Thankfully I did not require being admitting to the hospital. Saw the doctor every other day for a week. Then again the following week. I was also told not to wear the sleeve until the actural redness was gone. For me this was 3 days. Now I have asked my doctor about a prophylactic prescription he has said no. If I thought it was serious enough for an antibiotic then he wanted to see me or have me go to the ER. I am on the fence about his opinion on this though.

    Jennifer

  • Jennifer1295
    Jennifer1295 Member Posts: 244
    edited June 2008

    I have only had one incident with cellulitis which I went to the doctors office immediately for. Although he knew what it was he still did a blood test to confirm it. I also never really had a temperature. Thankfully I did not require being admitting to the hospital. Saw the doctor every other day for a week. Then again the following week. I was also told not to wear the sleeve until the actural redness was gone. For me this was 3 days. Now I have asked my doctor about a prophylactic prescription he has said no. If I thought it was serious enough for an antibiotic then he wanted to see me or have me go to the ER. I am on the fence about his opinion on this though.

    Jennifer

  • Jennifer1295
    Jennifer1295 Member Posts: 244
    edited June 2008

    Sorry about the duplicate post. Having a difficult time with the site.

  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited June 2008

    Linda Lou, what a great post.

    When I had my runaround with cellulitis in April I had no inclination what was happening. I just suddenly felt sick all over. My whole body felt bad and it was like every inch of skin was tender to the touch. Then the fever came. About that time I noticed a heavy pain under my arm and under the breast but nothing was red or anything.

    I called my PS and told him about the fever and took some Levaquin I had in the house. It didn't make a dent in it. So I went to the ER the next day and told them I had no intention of staying, that they could pump me up with whatever they wanted that day but I had to be able to leave because we had a huge family wedding going on at the same time.

    They took my white count and it was high but not enough to make them force me to stay. I missed the ceremony but got to the reception.

    When I was in the hospital the area that was infectected showed up. It was red and very tender under the breast and arm. The docs said it was probably the anti-biotics that brought it to a head so to speak.

    Anyway, I was on oral anti-biotics for a while.

    One thing my cellulitis did was postpone my exchange surgery and then when I finally had it, the area was badly damaged and my PS had a devil of a time reconstructing the breast.

    I still don't know how I got it. Did I get a microscopic cut that the bacteria decided to settle in that one area? It did happen on my bad LE side so I know that had something to do with it. I know that Tender had said we can get micro-fissures that we don't even know we have that can make an opening for bacteria.

    I now have a topical antibiotic called Altabax that I use whenever I am not sure if I have a scratch or not or indeed on an actual scratch or cut. It is a next generation topical that MRSA hasn't grown resistant to yet. 

    If I ever feel the way I did last time I will immediately get to the doctor and not wait to call at the end of the day. I have Levaquin in the house too. I have a bottle and a written rx. The written rx is good because it doesn't expire.

    Again, thank you for your tips. I am going to bookmark this because your advice about going to the hospital and all you did beforehand is really great.

    Hugs,

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited June 2008

    LindaLou,

    Sorry you had to go through that ordeal, especially given how diligent you are. My 82-year-old mother-in-law has had stage 4 lymphedema for many years (she first developed lymphedema over 50 years ago). Her practice has always been to take an oral antibiotic the minute anything remotely threatening occurs on her LE side (of course, in your case, LindaLou, you didn't know anything had occurred because there was no skin break or other trauma). She always cooked a lot and (because her LE hand had numbness) occasionally suffered small burns on her fingers. The minute that happened she would go on oral antibiotics. Given the severity of her LE (arm and hand hugely swollen, dropped shoulder), it seems miraculous but I don't believe she's ever been hospitalized with cellulitis, though I know it's a constant concern.

    Barbara 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited June 2008

    g, thanks for adding your experience to this really important thread. Sneaky, creepy thing, cellulitis. Glad you were finally able to complete your recon, and I hope you've healed well and thoroughly!

    Barbara, your MIL is one incredible person! I sure hope somebody's writing her biography.

    Be well, 

    Binney 

  • inspiewriter
    inspiewriter Member Posts: 876
    edited June 2008

    Thanks for sharing your story, great reminder and warning!!   Hope you stay infection free!

  • djs53
    djs53 Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2008

    LIndaLou,

     Thanks for a great post on an important topic for bc survivors.  I just spent a week in the hospital hooked up to IV antibiotics to deal with cellilitus in my bad boob.  I am a five year survivor and had the same thing happen three years ago that also involved hospitalization with IV antibiotics.  It had been so long ago, that I was not very concerned when I had a little discomfort in my affected breast.  When I got up the next morning, it was swollen, red, and very painful.  I called my oncologist and he told me to call my surgeon.  Unfortunately, she was not able to see me that day, so prescribed keflex until I could come in.  When I saw her she admitted me the hospital.  

    I see my doctor for a follow-up in a couple of weeks.  I have another week of oral antibiotics and she wants to see me after I have been off of them for a week.  I intend to ask for a prescription of antiobiotics to keep on hand in the event that cellilitus rears its ugly head again.   

    Debby

  • sushanna1
    sushanna1 Member Posts: 764
    edited August 2008

    Bumping this up for RobynK.

    Sue

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited August 2008

    Very well written and informative post.  I've not had any problem with LE and hope to never have it, but....knowledge is power and for that I am thankful for you ladies who know so much more than our docs!

    My hardest thing, I work outside and with all the numbness I have, I get bit and don't even know it!  Scared the daylights out of me the other night, I reached to scratch and itch where the tumor had been and felt a lump! OMGOSH!  I ran to the bathroom and realized I'd been bitten by somthing and it left a huge welt type of thing!  Scared me so much, as I truly thought it was another tumor it was so large, and yet I'm numb there. I can't feel it bitten, or the scratch, but know it's itching.  The strangest thing!

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited August 2008

    Bumping for shrink -- and also because we all need to be reminded of this from time to time.

    Be well, shrink!

    Binney 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2008

    Bumping for swmmom -- get well quick!
    Hugs, prayers,
    Binney

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited December 2008

    Bumping this up for Hamie1.

    Hope this helps!

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2009

    Bump for kayla

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