prophylactic mastectomy help!!!
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i am 31 and having to make the decision after a lumpect. last year and now a newly scheduled biopsy again next week. i have a high family breast cancer hystory. i need to decide on whether to continue biopsies with a lingering thought of are they missing something that could be cancer, or genetic testing that marks your insurance for life, or just have the mastectomy for prophylactic reasons. i have three small children and need prosprective on making this decision if anyone has recommendations. please help a.s.a.p.
thanks so much
heather
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Don't panic at this point. I know a lot of people who have had many biopsies, all neg. What is your family history? I have had a bilat mast myself and do not regret the decision. But there were several things that led me to this action. I suggest you see a genetic counsellor and ask their advice before you act.
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thanks for responding. i have had a lumpectomy and now on the third biopsy. all are neg. thus far. i have a relative including aunts on both sides, great aunts and grandmothers all diagnosed. two recently passed away. several diagnosed at around my age of 31. am i jumping too soon??? dr gave me some options and they seem drastic. I have been in the hospital 8 times recently with gyn problems including hysterectomy, removal of last ovary and lump., and biopsies....by two different dr.'s. i am getting tired and i am not recovering from these procedures as easily as i used to. I have Rheumatoid arthritis and it is very unpredictable and i take methotrexate shots each week, and morphine each day to control it. My dr and i discussed that at least that i could take a proactive approach to the cancer situation by doing repeating biopsy's , genetic testing (there are a lot of insurance issues and discimination that goes with this) and then there is the mastectomy. I go on Monday for a followup appt and the next biopsy will be decided from this. What would you do? I don't want to make an uneducated decision. i have an appt. for an oncologist that treated my relatives on Thurs this week. Did you have reconstructive surgery as well?
thanks for your help
heather
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Hi Heather, good advice from Pip above, you don't have to rush in making this decision.
I have also had a bilat, I just did not want to be lop-sided, and managed to get a decent surgeon who worked with me.
I had my bilat 5 years ago, and do not regret this at all. You are a lot younger than me, so will probably consider reconstruction....there again no great rush.
Don't worry you are posting on the wrong boards, none of the boards are 'wrong', just sometimes you'll get a lot better response on a thread thats chatting about the subject you want to know about.
There are conversations for you younger girls, but if I start to look for them to direct you I am sure to lose this post....just have a long look around, and jump in among the younger girls, a lot of whom have small children,just as you do, and you'll soon get advice from girls who are going thru the same thing as you are.
Joining this community will be one of the best things you have ever done. Help and advice is freely given, and there is always someone who can help you, no matter how odd you think your question is.
Friends and relatives very soon get fed up of your worrys, they just don't seem to realise how this affects us, but here we all know how it is, we all 'get' it and are here for one another, no matter what.
Welcome, and keep on posting.
Isabella.
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thank you so much isabell,
this is one of the sweetest things. I actually feel normal here. I will try to navigate the site this evening to find more info. I appreciate your support and you are right, that once you start talking to family and friends they get a glazed look on their faces after a few minutes of expressing your worries. I hate to say that it is all consuming...but i truly feel overwelmed at times especially with three little to consider. I want to make a decision that is right for all involved.
thanks again and i appreciated your response
heather
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Heather the good news is, even if you DO have the BRCA mutation, simply by having a hysterectomy you have significantly reduced your risk for breast cancer. The other good news is last month President Bush signed the GINA bill...its the bill that keeps insurance companies from using the results of genetic tests as a reason to not insure you.
I would still visit that certified genetics counselor though. They can really educate you about BRCA testing.
If you were positive, you could increase your surveillance or you could opt for the preventative mastectomy.
I had BRCA testing done last year. I was BRCA 2 +. I had a preventitive bilateral mastectomy - the Alloderm One Step ( skin and nipple sparing with immediate implant placement - no expanders). It was very do-able and I am finally at ease after always living in fear that I'd end up with breast cancer.
Check out FORCE
www.facingourrisk.org A great website for high risk women.
Best of luck! -
Heather,
I had a bilat mast done on Jan 25/08 with tissue expanders. I had DCIS on the right "good" side and did the left side at the same time. Had the exchange surgery yesterday and all was O.K. Talk to the genetic counsellor and take your time with your decision. After my final path report came back I had atypical lobular hyperplasia on the left side. I am very glad that I did both sides as I felt like a sitting duck. My child is only 8 years and I want to see her grow up. It was a difficult decision to make and we understand. Talk about all your options with the DR. and the Plastic surgeon and then make an informed decision. It is a tough time for sure. All the luck to you.
Kerry
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Heather,
I did not have recon and am quite happy about it. But I am 51 and my breasts were not that important to me. I can understand the roller coaster you are on between biopsies and surgeries, but I would still suggest you see a genetic counsellor. There are things other than BRCA that they can test for and your history would tell them what is most likely. On the 17th I am getting results from my p53 gene test and if it is positive and I hadn't already had bilat mast, I would certainly be thinking about it.
The thing is, I believe it is all a crapshoot anyways. There are no guarantees. I think it is a matter of doing what you can comfortably live with. You don't want to look back and have regrets, one way or the other.
Take Care -
Hi Heather...when I was dx'd...my tumor was so large that I had no choice of mast vs lumpectomy....then...throughout the following year, while I was going through chemo and radiation, I had many scares with the remaining breast. Each time....I thought for sure, I was doomed once again. Finally...I decided to have the remaining breast removed. Since then....I have not worried, I have not had to go for US's, or MRI's or Mammograms...the decision was right for me. I simply could not tolerate the stress of it all. Best wishes to you...
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laura,
thank you for the response. i go on monday for the regular dr follow up appt. and then on thurs i go for the oncologis/genetic info specialist. i am concerned what the right decision is on this. i am afraid that the decision of a lumpectomy a few months back was the wrong one, especially with family history so heavy with breast cancer.
take care and thanks again for the info of your decision.
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hmmm.
After my original diagnose, a mastectomy and chemo, I had the genetic test done, and came out positive - BRCA2.
So, I had a bit of a larger reconstruction done all at once: bilateral (all out!), and recon on both sides. It was done last week. I am still recovering from the procedure, but I woke up feeling great about my decision...
I feel the genetic test is important, not only because of breast cancer but because of other higher incidence of cancer. I want to know, so I can do all that is in my power to avoid further chemo, pain and the rest.
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Heather, I had ovarian cancer 5 1/2 years ago and had genetic testing at that time, along with my two sisters; family history of both breast and ovarian. So we are BRCA1. I had a complete hysterectomy at the time, followed by chemo and radiation.
I wish someone had told me I should have a double mast. No one did and I went along being followed at a high risk breast clinic and ended up with breast cancer in the Fall. At that time they recommended a bilat mast which I did after completing chemo.
I think that knowledge is power and the place to start is genetic testing. I too, like some of the other ladies, am older (55) and not having breasts (surprisingly to me) is not bothering me although I am planning reconstruction in two years (my doctor's timeline; not mine).
Good luck.
Barbara
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Heather,
I saw your post and had a moment of Dejavu. I am 56 years old and a breast cancer survivor of 3 years. I faced my first biopsy when I was in my late 20's. All of this happened when genetic testing was just becoming available and then insurance did discriminate against those who were of high risk. My mother had BC and her sister died from it. Before I was 35, I had 4 biopsies. I also saw my breast surgeon for aspirations probably every other month. My breasts were large and dense. My OB/Gyn suggested prophylactic mastectomy. After consulting with a PS and my breast surgeon, I decided not to go through with it because I had 2 little boys who were very active and I didn't want to have a long recuperation period. Besides, I might not ever be diagnosed with BC. When I was 53, I got my first call back on a mammogram. At first it was thought to be a pre-cancerous condition. The tumor couldn't be felt because it was close to the chest wall and it was very small. First, I had a lumpectomy; but they didn't get clear margins so they went back for a re-excision and a sentinel biopsy. The sentinel node and 2 others came back positive. I ended up with a bi-lateral because I was tired of the scare that came with every breast lump. By the way, I ended up with 15 of 20 nodes positive, the tumor was a Grade 3.
This doesn't mean that it will happen to you or to anyone else; but if I could go back 20 years, I would definitely have the prophylactic surgery. The advice you have been given by everyone is very good; go for the genetic counseling and then make up your own mind. What is right for one is not right for another. This is a tough decision and don't jump at it.
God bless,
Chris
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I can't believe I have found you all! What a relief. I'm 55, BC survivor (lumpectomy, chemo, radiation, finished last Oct). Just got my genetics result of BRACA1. Rats. I was hoping to put last year behind me and not have to think about cancer ever again. (I know...fat chance once you've had it.) I've been talking with a lot of people, reading on-line. Have 2 doctor appts. this next week, ob-gyn and surgeon. I'll definitely have ovaries/tubes and uterus out. Don't need those...have my wonderful kids and am through menopause. But what to do about the breasts!!?? I'm finally happy with the way I look...for years the ex husband made me feel too small....and now this. But I don't know if I can cope with the every-6-months mammogram/MRI routine. I'm a worrier. I'm leaning towards total removal with no reconstruction now. I'm not comfortable with the idea of putting a pair of foreign objects in there when I'm trying so hard to keep foreign objects out of my body! Any thoughts, ladies? Bless you all for the support you're giving. We are indeed sisters. I'm continually amazed by the wonderful women I've met through a chance remark in a store or at work.
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Hi Heather
I was given the option of a lumpectomy at time of dx. Seeking further wisdom from my whole team of docs, I went with the mastectomy, then on to chemo. At the time I wanted bilat mast., but it was a timing issue (surgery schedule). I was assured we could always have the prophy. mast. at a later date once we had dealt with all the 'cancer'. I was also always sure I would opt for reconstruction. Long story short...(and I am young too), I was advised to have genetic counseling and testing prior to the prophy. mast. I would highly recommend it to anyone. Knowledge is power. I knew if I came back positive, I would opt for hysterectomy/ooph. at same time of prophy. mast. My results were neg...but I still went ahead with the prophy mast. I have no regrets. I had bilat recon done at same with tissue expanders. I am SO happy with my results thus far. I knew I did not want to get 10 years down the road and have a new cancer pop up if I had the chance of preventing it now. Pretty drastic and aggressive measures, but as it is, I have to deal with the daily mental battle knowing I could have recurr. or mets at any given time. Having bilat mast has greatly reduced my risk of recurr and/or a new cancer. All in all, my true peace comes from the Lord and knowing that He is my hope and in control. God bless!
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Dear Stronger D, if you opt for recon you can use your own tissue. This is a much more difficult surgery than using saline or silicone implants (I'm told by my friend who is a recovery room nurse) but takes care of the foreign object dilemma.
I, like you, have been very happy with my breasts of late. I was always thin as a younger woman and was small chested. It was sad to lose the girls but so worth it in the grand scheme of things and hopefully I'll have recon in two years. I have a consultation in August as my first step.
So good luck to you in whatever you decide to do.
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thank you for all of your comments. What i thought would be a simple appt today with an in office biopsy turned into scheduled surgery for Thurs. I am at whits end with all the testing and mamos and this will make this a second lumpectomy. I am ready to have the girls removed i think. I have 3 little ones to raise and they are already crying about mommy going back to the hospital. Thank you to all of you for the encouraging words. I was told by the dr. that regardless of how this biopsy and lumpectomy is still need to make the dreaded decision of continuing on this track, genetic testing, or prophy. mastactomy.
thanks and let me know how to make this decision easier.
heather
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chris,
thank you for emailing and it does give me some clearity about where i might be in years to come. and it is making the decision a little bit easier.\
thanks heather
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Heather, I have followed you from the beginning. I am currently 47 yrs old but since 2005 I have had 2 abnormal mammos resulting in biopsies, once on each breast. Just remember that just because they are scheduling surgery doesn't mean that it is cancer, they just want to make sure that they get the suspicious area out. I have a family history of aunt with ovarian cancer and mother with breast cancer and with the two pre-cancer dx from the earlier biopsies my risk factor was not good. After the 2nd biopsy in fall 2006, my surgeon suggested bilat mast and I could think about it until my next appointment in 6 months. When I went for my 6 month mammo, it was abnormal again. I opted for the bilat mast and had recon with implants done June 1 2007. For me it was the best decision, They found early DCIS in my right breast and ADH (same thing found 2 times earlier) and one step from ADH in the left breast also no lymph involvment. My surgery took care of the cancer, no rads or chemo. Sure it took almost a year of procedures with the PS to get the new boobs but I am glad that I took the 'drastic' step of bilat mast for DCIS.
Sheila
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hello heather. im new to the discussion groups, not bc.org.
as i read alot of these brave woman who underwent dble mast. 4 preventative reasons. as difficult as it is.....i believe they r right. its a very difficult decision. but if u can drastically reduce getting cancer, it outweighs not doing it. u wouldnt want 2 go thru the whole treatment and all. Im 4 preventative measures. best wishes.
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hello heather. im new to the discussion groups, not bc.org.
as i read alot of these brave woman who underwent dble mast. 4 preventative reasons. as difficult as it is.....i believe they r right. its a very difficult decision. but if u can drastically reduce getting cancer, it outweighs not doing it. u wouldnt want 2 go thru the whole treatment and all. Im 4 preventative measures. best wishes.
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hello heather. im new to the discussion groups, not bc.org.
as i read alot of these brave woman who underwent dble mast. 4 preventative reasons. as difficult as it is.....i believe they r right. its a very difficult decision. but if u can drastically reduce getting cancer, it outweighs not doing it. u wouldnt want 2 go thru the whole treatment and all. Im 4 preventative measures. best wishes.
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hello heather. im new to the discussion groups, not bc.org.
as i read alot of these brave woman who underwent dble mast. 4 preventative reasons. as difficult as it is.....i believe they r right. its a very difficult decision. but if u can drastically reduce getting cancer, it outweighs not doing it. u wouldnt want 2 go thru the whole treatment and all. Im 4 preventative measures. best wishes.
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Hi Heather,
I will keep you in my prayers on Thurs. You are the first person I have read on any of the sites that has RA. Did the drs. say anything to you about having rad and RA? I ended up having the rt. mast in '06 and will again this summer for the lft breast mainly because I was told that the rad after the lumpctmy could cause problems with my RA. I wanted no part of that. I chose to have recon when I had the mast and again, did not use the implants because of the high rejection factor because of the RA. I had DIEP recon using my own tummy fat, no muscle was involved. I would think that would be a factor with someone with small children like you have. Recon with the TRAM takes your tummy muscle. In hindsight, when offered the option of taking the left when they did the right, I should have said "yes" because they threw away the whole opposite side of tissue when they used only the one side for the right breast mast. Now they will be using the muscle on the inside of my thigh.
My genetic testing ended up negative, even with all the cancer in my family. I don't understand how but that's what came out. I was told that colon, breast, ovarian and pancreatic are all linked thru the BRAC genes. I have breast, my mother died of bc, sister survivor of colon, father died of pancreatic, his mother & sister died of ovarian. I was told it was 'all random'. At least with both breasts gone, that will not be an issue any longer.
Good luck on Thursday.
Sunkist in MI
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thank you to all of you that responded today,
i go tomorrow for preop testing so if there is anything i should be asking the dr prior to surgery now is it. I am nervous as you can imagine for Thurs. however i have hopes that this will be ok, I am still going to tell the dr that in my case i can no longer handle the mentle and physical stress of surgery after surgery, meds and dr appt that always turn out abnormal. With the RA like Sunkist said above I have to think of how things will affect my immune system and the stress is only adding to it. I will probably tell them to do the mastectomy after this surgery on Thursday regardless of the outcome. I just want this part of my life behind me so that i can go on with my life. I teach Sunday school, Wed night services for 6 year olds and PTA secretary so as you can imagine i am staying busy and this whole cancer thing is not about to stand in my way. Regardless of what turns out I will be fine and i will probably do the reconstruction but have yet to look at all options until talking to the dr towards the end of the week. Thanks again and I deeply appreciate each and every comment that you send. I not only enjoy but need this website more than you know.
thanks again
heather
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thank you so much for the post. i went for the biopsy...ended up as a lumpectomy. I am so tired of all of this. i go back now for the follow up on Tuesday and the test results should be back by then. i desperately want to do the right thing by my family. I feel as if all the dr appt's, hospital stays and meds. are starting to take its toll on my little ones as well as my husband. Sometimes i feel so guilty for putting them through all of this. It is comforting to hear that if you could go back that you would do the prophylactic mast. I really do think that this will be the end to such a long two years. I am not dumb enough to think that this is fool proof but i think it would give me a since of not looking over my shoulder or waiting for the next phone call thinking what next???? I know that there are others that have gone through so much more than i have so i hope you understand that i am not complaining, just tired. God has blessed me with all that I have and I honestly believe that there is a reason that we cross the bridges we do for a bigger picture. thanks again to all of you who have spoke to me on this website. It means more than you will ever know.
take care and i will keep u all posted on the results.
heather
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Heather,
I tested positive for brca 2 in Jan. I learned my sister, who also had breast cancer was positive in June. She is a nurse and I am a Pschotherapist so you would think I would have done my research and ran to the clinic for testing. It took me 7 months before I could actually do the testing. Everyone has thier own time frame for doing this. It is a personal decision and is important to talk with a genetics counselor first as several others have advised you. I had a bilateral mastectomy with immediate reconstruction of the breast and a total hystectomy at the same time. I am recovering well and awaiting my next surgery for nipples. I am so thankful I finally made the decision not only for myself but my family as well. Best of luck to you heather.
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Hello Heather:
I feel your anxiety. In October 1999 I had a hysterectomy due to endometriosis and the left ovary and tube were left in to produce hormones. In January 2008 I was diagnosed with infiltrating ductal carcinoma in the left breast with lymph node carcinoma in the left axilla. I had a lumpectomy and the affected lymph nodes removed the same month. Between January and March I had several CT, Ultrasound, and MRI's done to see if any mets had taken place. The results were negative for mets although the cancer had spread to lymph nodes in the center of my chest and up into my neck on my left side. Because my mother died of breast cancer (both breast were removed but not at the same time, she also had uterine cancer) at age 33 in 1974, I had the BRCA tests done. I tested positive for the BRCA1 gene in late April 2008. I am 44 years old. I decided to have the prophylatic surgery (right breast and sole ovary removed). I did not do the recon because my doctor said it would be too much surgery for me due to my large breasts. The surgery took place May 27 and on May 31 I received results that my ovary and tube contained cancer that was not spread by the breast cancer. The cancer is ovarian cancer. I am glad I did the prophylactic surgery because I would never had known about the ovarian cancer if I hadn't. I have undergone 4 rounds of chemo to address the breast cancer and was supposed to undergo 4 more rounds after the mastectomy, but now I have to undergo surgery to stage the ovarian cancer although the ovary and tube were removed, it could have spread. I will undergo chemo eventually to address both breast and ovarian cancer.
I did the prophylactic surgery because after everything I went through with my first dx of breast cancer, I would not want to repeat. Having the BRCA1 or BRCA2 gene puts you at high risk for recurrence or metastisis. The surgery was piece of mind for me and I believe it will be for you as well Heather.
God bless!!!
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please see the info i left on the other conversation... under i have pagets please help, dr report was depressing.
thanks
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