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Tell Me About Your Annoying Herceptin SE

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  • Poppy_Spruce
    Poppy_Spruce Member Posts: 150
    edited June 2008

    I know that there are some women who skate through Herceptin, and compared to Poison Chemo - well, there is no comparison! But I have noticed a few little annoyances that seem to be impeding my return to normalacy. I hope others want to share as well!

    HAIR: I expected that I would have more hair by now. I am about 7 months past chemo, I never even lost all my hair or shaved it, yet I only have about 2 1/2 inches on top and 3 inches in the back. I assume you are all familar with the Chemo Mullet. I was hoping that I would have some decent length by now - I am about a month behind the Karen Stack photos, and I really think that Herceptin has something to do with it.

    ACNE: I get a little pimple near my chin/mouth at the end of every Herceptin cycle. I used to get one little canker sore as well - but that stopped about 4 months after chemo. I thought the pimples were chemo-realted, but maybe it was Herceptin.

    ACHES: I am so hoping that these aches are the result of a Herceptin/tamoxifen combo, and not tamoxifen alone. I do NOT want to go five years with these if it is the tamoxifen. I asked my onc about it and he said that we could always remove my ovaries and then we wouldn't need the tamoxifen. Hmm....seemed a little drastic to me! I think I will cross my fingers on that one...

  • Fitztwins
    Fitztwins Member Posts: 7,969
    edited June 2008

    Hair, my hair grew back on herceptin.

    Acne: I did break out. No one believed me.

    Aches: unfortunately is the tamoxifen/menapause symptoms. Herpceptin just made me tired.

  • mimi1030
    mimi1030 Member Posts: 700
    edited June 2008

    My mom is lucky, she has no SE from Herceptin, the only annoyance she has is a runny nose after her infusions.  No aches or pains at all.  Her hair is growing back also, even whilst on chemo weekly with the herceptin.

  • janie44
    janie44 Member Posts: 1,460
    edited June 2008

    My hair grew back very slowly and still is thinner than before chemo. 

    I did have aches, but I developed arthritis during and felt like it was brought on by treatment, especially since those aches have now pretty much subsided.  Taxol caused much pain in the bones and joints, so I do not know how much of the aches were leftover from it.

    I had a reaction to Taxol and broke out in an itchy rash with the last infusions.  This also happened with my first Herceptin infusions, but eventually stopped.

    I had the runny nose.  It seems there were a couple of other minor things but they do not come to mind right now.

  • GrammyNancy
    GrammyNancy Member Posts: 666
    edited June 2008

    I agree with the slow hair growth.  I've been on Herceptin since the end of July and only have about 4".  No acene but do have a drippy nose the first couple of days after infusion (I'm getting it every week-only 8 more!!!!).  I do have minor joint pain (in the morning and after sitting for awhile) but I'm blaming that on the Arimidex as I really think that is what's causing it (only 4 years 1 month left of that).

    Nancy

    Nancy

  • janet11
    janet11 Member Posts: 262
    edited June 2008

    Had a drippy nose.  That was it.  Hair regrew slowly... BUT, that probably wasn't Herceptin.  I'm now one year after I stopped Herceptin and hair is still very slow and thin, and I have lots of bald patches (*sigh*).

    The one good thing is that I thought it might come in gray.  (I had dark hair with bits of gray, with a white 'streak' in the center of the crown of my hair) before.   Apparently I lost all the gray hair, because it's only dark now and now white streak.  Of course, that area has very little hair too (*laugh*).

    Sometimes you never know what's going to happen.  One GOOD thing is that I had to stop Herceptin May 2007 because of low EF and reduced heart function.  Last week I got the word from my cardiologist that my heart is finally back to normal -- no permanent damage.   Yippee!!! 

  • nobleanna007
    nobleanna007 Member Posts: 641
    edited June 2008

    Hi Nanegge,

                     I am also on Herceptin and I get the aches and drippy nose very annoying!!!. I have been finishing my chemo which my last set of tx were abraxane and herceptin. Stopped abraxane due to nerophathy we think some of the pain is from that. But my hips all the way to my feet hurt so I don't know. I am also on meds for the nerophathy but it has not helped much. I noticed your from Maine so am I. I am from the Boothbay Harbor area. We are gearing up now for the tourist season, but with fuel prices I don't know how good the season is going to be. Oh the hair thing mine is growing back but slowly, I really hope to have more by winter!!!! Maine is to cold in the winter for no hair!!!!!

                                                     Bridget

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited June 2008

    Count me in on the drippy nose; with allergy season in full swing I'm boosting Kleenex profits!

    I finished ovarian cancer chemo at the same time 5 years ago and I feel very strongly that my hair regrowth is MUCH slower this time so I agree about the hair.

    No acne but feet hurt if I've been lounging for awhile and then try to get up and actually walk.  I look like an old lady for the first 30 seconds, all hunched over.

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited June 2008

    Hello!

    Nanegge, I laughed out loud when I read your term "Chemo Mullet"!  That is so funny!!!!  And of course, it describes my current "hairdo" perfectly!  Just not sure what color it is-- grayish brownish blondish, I think.

    I came here because I was about to post the same question about Herceptin SE's.  I am having some weird ones.  I have the break-out on my chin (got one now-last H was Monday). I do have the runny nose, which I thought was the Taxol until I started having the Herceptin alone back in February.  For the last 2-3 doses (mine are every three weeks), I get a weird but very, very slight chest pressure/shortness of breath that comes and goes during the day, but never bothers me during exercise.  I'm thinking it might be a bit of an asthmatic thing.  My echo's have been totally normal, so no problems with the heart.  I've also had lots of seasonal allergy symptoms that I've never had in my life-- itchy, watery eyes and sneezing to match my drippy nose.  Can't wait 'til November.

    Glad everyone is doing well!  Hugs to all!

    Mary Jo

  • BethNY
    BethNY Member Posts: 2,710
    edited June 2008

    you are 110% correct.  The only good news is that when herceptin ends, so does the acne, the slow hair growth, and the achey bones.

    HANG IN THERE!!!

  • swimangel72
    swimangel72 Member Posts: 1,989
    edited June 2008

    I have terrible aches in my left arm where they've been giving me my chemo (since my chest port is STILL not healed after nearly 6 weeks!) However it is probably due to the Navelbine injected in my vein, not the Herceptin. I have been experiencing more increase in hair loss (not enough to show though)........just enough to force me to clean out the shower drain and hairbrush every day, yuck. The day of my infusions (I go every two weeks) I always get diarrhea and feel a little tired. Also I've been getting very very slight nose bleeds - and a few broken blood vessels in my face - not sure which of the two drugs is causing that. I can't wait for my port to heal so my arm will stop hurting - and can't WAIT to stop the Navelbine (end of August!)

  • Berea
    Berea Member Posts: 5
    edited June 2008

    My annoying symptoms were aching in my lower back, muscle degeneration (my arm skin aged 30 years, massage therapist noted last visit I finally was showing some signs of muscle regeneration), fatigue, and an annoying cough/throat clearing/mucus thing that is still with me.  I was taken off Herceptin at the 12th dose (8th after chemo) as my heart function was going downhill.  The third MUGA noted 12% reduction but echo cardiogram disagreed.  Not sure the MUGA is all that conclusive....I was also told that some study in Finland, Norway, some place, was showing that 2 doses is plenty....so my conclusion is, it's a crap shoot!  I am two months off the Herceptin and still have fatigue, some shortness of breath, and the cough thing.  I am her2+, estro/proges-, stage 2, had mastectomy, reconstruction, and sentinel and its two closest friends removed without any sign of spread.  Chemobrain is still upon me as well........

  • Berea
    Berea Member Posts: 5
    edited June 2008

    My annoying symptoms were aching in my lower back, muscle degeneration (my arm skin aged 30 years, massage therapist noted last visit I finally was showing some signs of muscle regeneration), fatigue, and an annoying cough/throat clearing/mucus thing that is still with me.  I was taken off Herceptin at the 12th dose (8th after chemo) as my heart function was going downhill.  The third MUGA noted 12% reduction but echo cardiogram disagreed.  Not sure the MUGA is all that conclusive....I was also told that some study in Finland, Norway, some place, was showing that 2 doses is plenty....so my conclusion is, it's a crap shoot!  I am two months off the Herceptin and still have fatigue, some shortness of breath, and the cough thing.  I am her2+, estro/proges-, stage 2, had mastectomy, reconstruction, and sentinel and its two closest friends removed without any sign of spread.  Chemobrain is still upon me as well........oh, and I forgot, drippy nose was with me since chemo (I was told its the lack of nose hair...) and it is still with me although I do have hair back, not MY hair, but hair..........

  • oldcat46
    oldcat46 Member Posts: 53
    edited June 2008

    I get Herceptin once a week and have had the drippy nose, but I had that when I was getting just chemo.  A friend who had it said it's from losing nose hair.  Also, I finished chemo in Feb. and the hair on my head is coming in pretty slow.   Everyone said I'd have curly, grey hair, but it's coming in the same way it went out -- bone straight, no body, brown with a few grey strands.  Oh well, at least it is coming back.  I've heard from many sources that Herceptin can keep the hair from growing in faster.  At least my echos have been normal so I can continue getting Herceptin until December.  I do have some shortness of breath but my tests showed that radiation therapy caused some pneumonitis and scarring.  Apparently the Herceptin isn't causing me too many problems. 

  • Jazzyc75
    Jazzyc75 Member Posts: 5
    edited August 2008

    I just had my last herceptin treatment on Tuesday. How long does it take to feel normal again? Nose drips, the constant tired feeling and slow hair growth. It's been 10 months since my last chemo. I thought the side effects were lingering from chemo since by doctor told me that there were no side effects from herceptin (except for the heart). I just for the first time signed on this site and realize that I am not alone in my symptoms.  

  • bjn850
    bjn850 Member Posts: 28
    edited August 2008

    Jazzyc75,

    I am 10 weeks out of herceptin (all treatments) and I can say that the tiredness and achiness are much, much better.  I am not taking pain medicine every day before bed or any other time during the days. There are days now, once I am dressed, that I don't even think about breast cancer. Hurray! My MUGA score was still not good at 6 weeks so I do get tired when I over exert myself but just the fact that I do feel like mowing my whole yard or cleaning my house in one day is a great improvement. My toenails have been splitting on the sides on one foot, I found that rather odd that it wouldn't begin until after I was finished with tx. My hair is growing normally again.

    So hang in there, it won't be long before you are looking back at all the side effects of the medicine that has been put into your body!

  • HensonChi
    HensonChi Member Posts: 357
    edited August 2008

    Thanks for that good word.  I still have a long way to go in my treatment and it seems like forever!  Good luck to you!

  • DEAK95
    DEAK95 Member Posts: 121
    edited August 2008

    I've been on Herceptin weekly for 2.5 yrs post bone mets diagnosis and it has been a miracle drug. My Muga scan has been up and down but staying between 50%-57%. Alot of the side effects we are all describing are coming from the estrogen - blocking meds (tamoxifen, arimadex, aromasin, etc). I too have the Nail splitting on my fingernails (mostly) and tiredness if I push too much running around. I have terrible arthritis in both feet and right ankle. It's almost to the point of an ankle fusion surgery. I am taking way too many pain meds and 800 motrins for this pain but am still fighting off having the surgery in this degenerated joint. I had a problem with that ankle being injured in HS and College sports but was perfectly fine (10 yrs+) before the Mets diagnosis. Now, I feel like a 67 yr old in a 47 yr old body walking up every morning doing that old Tim Conway shuffle from his character on the Carol Burnett Show. My onc thinks all the aches and pains are from the anti-estrogen meds but then again, he's not taking the drug, either!!! As far as the hair, I've always worn it short and now have spiked it up a bit-must be a midlife thing, too!!!

    Bes of luck in your journey!!!  Pat

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited August 2008

    Hi everyone! 

    I have another weird symptom that I think is connected with my Herceptin treatments, but I'm really not sure... I have this strange "sore" feeling in my mouth-- not mouth sores, but just a tenderness, and my lips almost seem swollen.  I notice it most when I have a cold drink, and some things don't taste quite right. Weird, huh?  And of course, as usual right after treatment, I have my regular zit on my chin!!!  Where does that come from????   Frown  But, I am truly thankful for the Herceptin, despite the weird SE's!!!

    Pat, I like your description of the Tim Conway shuffle-- I have that too-- I feel like a 90 in a 52!  And I am doing the spiked, gelled hair thing too but it's getting longer and wants to stick straight up-- my husband says if I keep fixing it that way, I'll look like Don King-- gee, thanks honey!

    Take care, everyone!

    Mary Jo

  • Jazzyc75
    Jazzyc75 Member Posts: 5
    edited August 2008

    Bin850, thank you for your response, I am looking forward to the day that I don't think of breast cancer for even one hour straight.

    In response to Deak95, I am wondering if those of you reading this who are not on estrogen blocking drugs (who are ER-/PR-) are having the same symptoms that I thought were coming from the herceptin which Deak95 believes could be from the tomaxifin, aromasin, etc... 

     Best of Luck to everyone as we all continue our journey!

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited August 2008

    HI, I am new to this thread.   Having weekly Taxol and Herceptin, # 3 of 12 was last Thursday 8/28. This is after  4 dose dense A/C, after which my tumor has shrunk 50%.  Pre surgery - which will be discussed end of September.   

    The first tx of T & H  I had MEGA hot flash down to my toe nails and then a burning ring of fire in the "private area", which I was told was "normal"...   They slowed down the drip, added a second bag of saline to help dilute and hydrate and that took care of it. All my vitals remained normal but I was the center of attention for a while since I was doubled over with the ring of fire.   

    The 2nd tx I had zebra stripes flashing in front of my eyes with the benedryl - which again is "normal"...   They slowed that down from 10 minutes to 30 minutes with saline to dilute and the stripes disappeared.    

    This 3rd tx they gave me decadron (I think) in pill form instead of via IV and I drank, drank, drank (water) before, during and after.   When I asked if I could be dehydrated, they said no, but I needed to have the extra saline to help prevent it.  

    Drippy nose, sore toe nails at first, but now very sore finger nails and DRY skin.  Even my face looks like I have dandruff and I only use a cleansing lotion and NO soap on it for many years.   I too feel like my lips are swollen and food either tastes like cardboard or sawdust.  

    My hair was gone on day 17 after my first A/C and the only good thing is no shaving with summer time being here.   I do see bits of fuzz on the top of my head and I find that a wig is way too hot. Baseball caps or newsboy caps work best for me.  But then, I am retired, dont have to go out in the "public" and live alone.  

    Good luck to everyone and keep smiling - it makes them wonder what you are up to !!

    HUGS,  Nancy 

    I was worried about the heart affects, but my MUGA scan is unchanged from before tx - 69%, and for my age and overall health - excellent - as no one has 100%.    

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited September 2008

    Today is # 6 of 12 weekly Taxol and Herceptin.   I know the effects are cumulative, but my stomach seems to be the body part most affected.  IF I eat any red meat, I almost immediately get loose bowels.   Seems a bit weird and I will ask the Dr today when I see her.   

    Sunday my son took me out for lunch - scallops with ginger sauce, rice, crab rangoon and no bowel disturbances.   AND, besides having his company, the best part was I could actually taste most of it.   I had gotten some sour hard candies - thought Black Cherry flavor sounded nice and a change from sour lemon --- NOT !!! tastes like shit and the taste lingered for a long time.   EWWWWWW !!!  The lady who owns the candy shop also ordered some ginger hard candies and they are pretty good.   The soft ones are a large size and too much in the mouth (for me) at one time.   

    Good luck to all.   HUGS,  Nancy 

  • EGAL
    EGAL Member Posts: 539
    edited September 2008

    I finished Herceptin this past May and I have terrible leg pains.  It is a muscle ache, not bone pain. Had a U/S for clots, had none.  Dr. says it is not circulation but may be nerve damage from chemo.  I will have an EMG test soon. My right hip hurts (scan showed nothing),  I walk like  and feel like I'm 100.  Onco asked how old I was (he did have my chart with him) and I told him 53 going on 103!!!!  Also, my teeth and gums have become very sensitve to cold.  I have to brush my teeth with warm water.  Other than that,  and being VERY tired, I faired pretty well. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    My muscle pain subsided gradually after I finished Taxol.

    What has begun with every-3-weeks on Herceptin, is joint pain (all of them a little, hips and knees a lot); mild leg swelling (it was much worse on Taxol/Herceptin), and a cranky digestive system. I'm not 100% positive that the last is totally Herceptin, but it's my gut feeling (heheheh) that it is.

  • Jazzyc75
    Jazzyc75 Member Posts: 5
    edited September 2008

    Leftyakanancy and those of you who are still on chemo treatments I offer this advise,

    Keep your diet healthy, try to meditate daily and try to get some daily form of exercise. No red meat, no sugar, no processed foods and no artificial anything. You need to keep your body strong so that it can fight. When I was lying on the couch without an ounce of energy and my bones ached, I ALWAYS felt better when I pushed myself to take a walk. I never meditated before chemo but I bought a meditation/visualization tape after my first treatment and have been meditating ever since. 

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited September 2008

    Ty jazzy, I try to take a walk every morning and evening with music on my IPod and got a Tai Chi tape.   Tai Chi is very easy on the bones and body and the idea is NOT to work up a sweat, just move body parts around a bit and a mild form of meditation.   The food thing is the hard part since I live alone and have no one to bounce ideas off of.   So far my blood counts are good and although I feel tired, I can get going when I need to.   Hang in there, everyone.  Hugs and Blessings,  Nancy

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited October 2008

    HI everyone:

    No one having any annoying SE?   Last tx I had stomach cramps and chills when they hooked up the herceptin.   Adding saline helped a LOT, after stopping it for about 15 minutes.  All my vitals were good.  

    Maybe it is the taxol or the combination of both, but the nails on my big toes lifted off the nail bed, so I snipped them off.  No pain, just very weird.   Lucky me, no bone or joint pains except the usual for an age 62 couch potatoe.  

    This past week:  8 tax/herceptin over with, was the best few days in a long time, if you discount the toe nail thing -- Not nearly as fatigued as before.  only 4 more to go, then surgery decision, tests, consultations, etc.

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited October 2008

    Hi Nancy,

    I haven't been here in a while so I'm just getting around to reading about your use of Tai Chi-- I used to have a tape by David Carradine that I loved, but can't find it and would love to try Tai Chi again. It's very relaxing and invigorating at the same time.

    Glad you're doing well, have good blood counts, and glad you got some help with the chills and stomach cramps.   Those chills aren't fun at all.

    I had the big toenail problems too but they are now starting to grow again really fast!  I had a salon pedicure in August and that helped a lot.  

    I have two more Herceptin tx to go and I have noticed a few more aches lately, but not severe by any means.  

    Good luck on your finish and the stuff that comes after. Hang in there!

    Mary Jo 

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited October 2008

    HI Mary Jo:   I think that any kind of moving around like walking regularly or Tai Chi can help.   I am the farthest thing from having any kind of exercise routine, but i do get up and move around most days.   How often do you have herceptin?  Good luck on finishing up your tx.    

    Nancy 

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