Spring 2008 TCH Gals "get together"

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  • Catz
    Catz Member Posts: 7
    edited May 2008

    Hi Mary,

    I am new. Should be having my 3rd treatment tomorrow.

    Started having problems early on with neuropathy - major tingling in face, hands and new this time - feet.

    The past wk it has improved a great deal. The onco said we may have to push treatment back a wk and/or cut the taxotere by 20%. Do not want to push treatment back for sure!

    Has anyone you know had problems with this?

    Will probably be up most of the night due to the fact you could scrape me off the ceiling from the steroids.

    Really enjoy going thru the forums and reading the remarks from nice people like you!



    Dx 1/08, IDC, 7mm, Stage 1, 0/9 nodes, ER-PR-, HER+, Right Mastectomy and immediate

    reconstruction

  • Catz
    Catz Member Posts: 7
    edited May 2008

    mistake - Dx was 1/08 - sorry.

  • mary6204
    mary6204 Member Posts: 373
    edited May 2008

    I pretty much hang out at the "march 08 chemo group"  and there is a lady having a lot of problems with that as well.  She is however, on Taxol and the doctor said if her problems don't get better, they may switch her to taxotere, so I'm not sure what that means.  What does your doctor say???  That's one of the few s/e I don't get; yet anyways. 

    I had a miserable night last night.  I took 2 tylenol PM to help me sleep and although it made me very tired, thanks to the steriods (like you said) I couldn't sleep.  Plus since I know everything will taste like metal next week and I was at the treatment til 3pm so like an idiot I ate taco bell for a late lunch, had bbq sandwich for dinner a candy bar and a coke before I went to bed.  I swallowed back vomit until 3pm when I got up and took a huge swig of Maalox, that solved the indigestion problem, but didn't help with the sleep.  I feel fine this morning, although tired, damn steriods. 

    I don't the nausea until day 5, go figure why, I guess I'm just different so I am enjoying a few more days of feeling normal.  Just trying to get a lot done around the house before next week when I just sleep and feel sorry for myself.  I do have new things to try for the nausea, so hopefully it won't be as bad.

    Good luck, hope you have a good remainder of the week.  God Bless, mary

  • CaseyDoodle
    CaseyDoodle Member Posts: 144
    edited June 2008

    I start TCH treatment June 10, after having my port put in on the June 9.  I am a nervous wreck.  Can't imagine what to expect.  Can anyone give me some idea of things to have on hand, just in case?

  • mary6204
    mary6204 Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008

    Welcome, Kay, sorry you had to join.  If there's one thing I've found with us gals, it doesn't matter which chemo your on we all seem to have different side effects.  Before I started I kept reading about the gals who had constipation, which is a normal problem for me anyways.  I bought senekot, milk of magnesia and all I ever need is immodium.  In fact for treatment #3 that I ignored the diarrhea and it I ended up having to go on potassium and have IV's.  Not smart!!!

    The first treatment was the scarriest because I didn't know what to expect and they monitor your heart because of possible reactions to the herceptin.  I had no problems and in the office I go to which is very busy, they told me it only happened once and that lady ended up just fine, she just couldn't do the herceptin. It does amaze me how after the treatment you just walk out and feel normal, for a little while anyways.  I feel fine ususally until day 4 or 5.

    I had my 4th treatment last Wednesday and so far it's the easiest.  Because of the fact that I had morning sickness through my 2 pregnancies and get motion sick, they told me I would have bad nausea and they were right.  I've tried all sorts of anti-nausea drugs and this time I'm taking ativan which is actually an anti-axienty drug and it is helping the most.  Otherwise Zofran is the only other one that helped. Emend, tigan, compazine did nothing for me.

    Everybody is different, but I can say the best thing about TCH is that for most people it's every 3 weeks.  I am okay the week of the treatment, sick the second week, but by day 10 I have bounced back 100% and I babysit for my grandkids, go to the gym and feel completely normal and for that I am grateful.  It does slow down the process, which means I won't be done til the middle of July and I started the end of March, but I still appreciate those "good weeks".

    Hope my info helped and if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.  God bless and Good luck, Mary

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited June 2008

    Mary,

    Hope you are doing fine after your treatment. Just  drop line when you have time.

    Betty

  • mary6204
    mary6204 Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008

    Thanks Betty,  I did survive; was really sick for 5 days Sat thru yesterday.  I had 3 IV's and all sorts of new things.  At least it was shorter than last time.  They just can't figure out why I get so sick.  The onc is trying so hard and we think I just need more steriods.  So we'll see.  It's nice to feel 90% human again and just think only 2 more to go!!!  Glad not everyone has this problem.  I'll survive and I have 2 weeks of feeling good until it starts again.  Hope everything is well with all the other "TCH gals"  God bless, Mary

  • SuzinLA
    SuzinLA Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2008

    Hey there. Have been trying to find the right thread to post in. Wasnt sure where to go so I will try here. 

    I am 13 days into my first cycle of Herceptin/Taxotere/Carboplatin. 2nd session is June 16.   Would be nice to have some buddies who are on same regime and similar timing. 

    About 2 days ago developed the most horrible acne I have ever had.  Does anyone have any suggestions on how to handle? I feel like a scary monster.

    I have had a range of symptoms from nausea (OK now), metallic mouth/garbage taste (receding but lasted 10 days), mouth sores (gone for now), horrible achiness (days 3-6), really bad back pain (day of treatment and for about 5 days), stomach issues (all), and more.  Actually feeling better right now except for this acne situation and some stomach issues.

    Saw a great nutritionist and I'm also getting acupuncture. Had a great massage. That really helped. Taking some chinese herbs ... something called CR support. And doing Tai Chi/Qigong.  

    Would love any suggestions about how to eat when this horrible chemical taste is around. And for itchy skin.  And the acne. 

    THANKS

    Suz in LA 

    (Had 3 lumpectomies in April/May, started herceptin/taxotere/carboplatin on May 27 2008.  44 years old.)

  • SuzinLA
    SuzinLA Member Posts: 7
    edited June 2008

    Hey Kay.

    Great things to have around:

    Advil (for headaches and other body aches)

    Ambien 

    Good books

    Good movies

    Things that are easy to eat and drink (have you seen/talked to a nutritionist?)

    Stuff for stomach issues (whatever works for you, and I had every kind of stomach issue so glad to have all drugs on hand)

    I made fresh mint iced tea and citrus black iced tea and keep in the fridge.  

    I have a drug chart that I made on suggestion of another bc survivor... lists each symptom and what to do for it, so that if/when you're feeling crappy you dont have to think much about what to do.

    2 key things so far: walk whenever you can and drink water whenever you can

  • mary6204
    mary6204 Member Posts: 373
    edited June 2008

    Hi Suz, sorry you have had so many s/e.  My face gets beet red the day or so after my tx, but it's never broken out.  I have heard of others that have had that problem.  My only s/e are severe nausea and the metal taste.  No sores, acne, or pain, but the nausea knocks me on my butt and out of commission for a week.  This past tx I had 3 IV's in a week.

    I'm 2/3 of the way through, maybe someone will contact you that's earlier in their tx's like you are.  I will be so glad to be done.  Each one I am sicker and it seems to last a day or so longer as well.  As far as what to eat for the metal??  In the beginning all dairy including ice cream and butter was the worst.  Now it's more like bread and snacks.  The only thing that has never tasted like metal to me is sweets.  Good luck and God bless, Mary

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    Hi Suz,

    I am starting TCH on Monday, June 16. I had a lumpectomy and 2 re-excisions in April/May. Then I moved from DC to Boston for chemo and radiation (I had recently moved down to DC from Boston for a job. After my diagnosis, I realized I wanted to be where I had a support network. So, after my surgeries, I moved back).

     
    I am seeing a nutritionist next week and have an appt. in early July for acupuncture. Has that helped you with the side effects?

    When's your next tx?

    --- Jo 

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited June 2008

    Vicky,

    Thank you for sharing w/me your s/e. The 3 girls and me we are best friends. I my stomack /kidney that are my concern. I was dehidrated the first week after chemo because I had stomack/acid and I could not swellow. After I had acid tablet(protonix) this has help me. My kidney is still a problem. I am get ready for my next treatment on July 8. Thank you Vicky for everything.

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2008

    Mary,

    Did you have chemo this week? Are you OK? You are just about finish. I am pround of you. I will have my 2nd treatment on July 7. SO far my stomach and kidney that are giving me problem. Good luck.

    I

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2008

    Suz,

    I had stomach problem after my 1st treatment. My doctor gave me protonix has been help me a lot. But each person has different s/e. I have been concentrate in veggie/fruits for my diet.  It is easy to digest special that I have stomach problem. I am get ready for my next treatment on July 7. Let see what surprise I will have next week. Have nice July 4th.

  • mary6204
    mary6204 Member Posts: 373
    edited July 2008

    Hi Betty,  My last chemo is next Wednesday and for  the first time I can say the tiredness is catching up with me.  I have always had triple of nausea that most woman have, but I've always bounced back 100% otherwise.  I am dragging this week, but I'm still ready for that last one.  I think with my 1st treatment I had more indigestion that anything else, but I have had none since.

     Our treatments are 2 days apart so I'll think of you on Monday.  Good luck, hope your s/e are small.  You have a great 4th also.  We're going away and I am sooooooooo ready.  God Bless, Mary

  • Jenniferlynn
    Jenniferlynn Member Posts: 4
    edited July 2008

    Hi Ladies

     I am new the group.    I just completed my fourth treatment of TCH on July 3.  They also added in Zometa for the bone mets.  I had an awful time with the Zometa ... fever, chills and bad bone pain.   So far the regular treatments of the TCH haven't been unbearable.  I think the worst think is this awful metal taste.  Today is Tuesday night and I still have it so horrible that is makes me stick to my stomach.   I have had alot of stomach issues with this combination .. diarrhea and cramps.   I get chemo on Thursday and usually Thursday and Friday are ok.   Saturday night I start to crash and Sunday is a miserable day.   I have been able to get back to work on Monday though.   

    I just had a PET scan two weeks ago and it came back all clean.   This is huge since I had metastis to my liver, hips, ribs, and clavicular nodes.    Herceptin is a great drug!!

    Jennifer 

  • mary6204
    mary6204 Member Posts: 373
    edited July 2008

    Wow, Jennifer, That is great news.  Congratulations on the clean PET scan.  For me the metal taste is awful as well and I get the diarrhea too.  Last treatment #5, I had the metal taste and the diarrhea both at the same time and it was the worst diarrhea yet.  I went (sorry to be so graphic) 12 times in an hour on day 10.  I lost 7 pounds and couldn't eat a thing.  I remember choking down a bowl of cereal just so I wouldn't be so weak.   I bounced back and today is suppose to be my final treatment but I'm so nervous.  I had my echo (because of herceptin) last Thursday  and I'm worried because my heart has been pounding so loudly every now and then it really scares me.  I find out the results of my echo and my blood work this morning and that will determine if I can have my final treatment this morning.  I just want to get over this.

    I heard of a couple of other woman who got the fever. chills and bone pain from Zometa, otherwise I'm not too familiar with it.  Sorry you have to be on something that causes so many s/e.  I wish you the best of luck through your final treatments and hope the good news continues.  God Bless, Mary

  • Jenniferlynn
    Jenniferlynn Member Posts: 4
    edited July 2008

    Hi Mary

    Were you able to get your final treatment today?    I sure hope so.   Won't it be great to be done and have the chemo behind you.    I am starting to just feel better today (nearly one week later) but still have that nasty metal taste.   Nothing tastes good.  It has been a great summer diet.  I starte chemo May 1 and since then I have lost 19 pounds and I wasn't really too much overweight to start with.    LIke you I dread getting another treatment but I am so looking forward to getting it over with.  Seems like this last time was so much worse than the others... I think because of the Zometa (or at least I hope).   Know what you mean on the diarrhea.   On Sundays, I don't go far from the bathroom and spend most of my day there.  By the end of the day, I end up with a pretty sore bottom because the poisen coming out is pretty irritating.  

    For my herceptin they did a test all a Mug-A-Scan on my heart.   It involved getting an IV with some radioactive stuff and then an exray of sorts over the heart.   An echo would be alot easier!

    I haven't had any issues with my heart racing.. .but you know, with all the stress you are under... who knows it might be totally stress related. 

     I hope you did get our last treatment and after a week or so, you can know that when you bounce back you will stay that way !!!!Laughing

    Jennifer

  • mary6204
    mary6204 Member Posts: 373
    edited July 2008

    Hi Jennifer, Yes, I did have my final treatment and my echo was good.  I am doing the happy dance and don't even mind a final week of being sick and the dreaded diarrhea.  I never really thought about the sore bottom part, but it makes sense to be irritated as the chemo crap come out.   The oncologist I seen yesterday told me the pounding is normal to her because chemo raises a lot of peoples heart rate by 10 points and also thanks to the diarrhea I am on high doses of potassium and magnesium, she said when your body is low on those nutrients your heart can pound louder than usual.  That made me feel better also.

    My worst day of metal taste is days 8 through 10 and I've only managed to lose 5 pounds throught all this cause when food taste okay, I eat plenty.  I am hoping to lose 30 lbs when I'm done with all this and I think going through chemo and cancer will give me the incentive to lose it once and for all.

    Good luck getting through the rest of yours.  Soon you'll be doing the Happy dance as well.  Thanks for getting back with me and God bless, Mary

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2008

    Hi Vicki,

    Hope you are doing fine. I had my 2nd chemo and my s/e was limit in my stomach problem. I fell like Mary LET'S DANCE. I lost all my hair, but I decided to use scarf.  I am looking like movie star, I don't want to be recognized. HA HA HA. I am ready for my next want on July 28.

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2008

    Mary,

    Are you doing fine and you want to dance with me?  I am get ready for my 3rd chemo. I have stomach problem in my 2nd chemo. I have eat more vegetables and fruit. I think that help my stomach and my nausea.  Good luck in your next treatment.

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited July 2008

    Hi Jennifer,

    Congratulation. You are doing very well. After you 4 chemo you went to work. Go Jennifer !!!!! . I am have a lot of stomach problem, but my doctor gave me Protonix and this medicine has been help me with stomach problem and the metal taste. Beside this I am eat a lot of vegetables/fruit and has been reduce my stomach problem.  Good luck

  • mary6204
    mary6204 Member Posts: 373
    edited July 2008

    Hi girls,

      I may be done with chemo, but not s/e.  Bad taste in mouth, yucky feeling and extremely tired, but it will pass.  Each day gets better and by next week I should be oaky.

     Betty, you sound so chipper, I think that's great.  Hope the stomach issues improve.  Good luck with the next treament.  Mary

  • Jenniferlynn
    Jenniferlynn Member Posts: 4
    edited July 2008

    Mary

     Hang in there!!  Remember it always gets better .. just need a few more days and you will be feeling yourself again.   Then you can celebrate being done with the chemo.   I go for my fifth next week and just dread it!!   I hate the horrible "yucky" feeling and that garbage taste in the mouth is just the worst.   

    Let us know in a few days when you are feeling better and we can celebrate the end of your chemo treatments!!  

     Jennifer 

  • Jenniferlynn
    Jenniferlynn Member Posts: 4
    edited July 2008

    Hi Betty

    Thanks for the hint on the Protonix.  I am going to ask my doctor about it.  If it helps at all with the nasty metal taste .. then I want it!!   I see a naturalist and he has given me alot of different things that help with my stomach.  I take some drops "Frangula" after every meal.  Also, I have some mega vitamins that really help my energy level.  I can tell a huge different when I don't take it.  

    #5 chemo is next Thursday.   I am trying to make the most of this weekend because I know next weekend will stink.    I am super anxious to get these treatments behind me.  The wig is hot in the summer but really I only wear it to work.   It just doesn't feel like me with it on.    I am not a great scarf wearing but I have been wearing the bandanas and that feels OK. 

     Funny though you get over losing your hair kind of quick.   I had long blond hair and I am OK with out it. 

    You are good doing the fruit and veggie route.  My naturalist said to keep your stomach in balance you need to eat foods high in alkaline and low in acid.  Watermelon, red seeded grapes, nectarines, brocoli, califlower are all really good sources.  Also pecans and cashews.   He said to eat salmon (wild caught only) at least once a week.  No meat ... espcially pork, no ice cream or processed cheese after 3:00 inthe afternoon.   I can vouch that this all helps alot.  

    Any other ideas with the metal taste???  

    Good luck with number 3!

    Jennifer

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited August 2008

    Hi Jennifer,

    I just had my #4 chemo.  My nausea has been nice with me.  I reduced to have nausea medicine. My metal taste went almost off. I have papaya and blueberies with my cereal 4 breakfast.. For  Metal flavor don't leave your stomach empty (I always have crackers w/me) Try to have your nausea medicine if you need. Let me know if it's helps you. Please let me know about more ideas from your Naturalist

    Good luck and nice to hear from you.

    .Betty

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited November 2008

    Hi Mary,

    My last chemo was only with hercepin (# 7). It was not bad, but my anemia has given me a headacke. I stop all medication to help my metal flavor. I am very tired because of my anemia. By the away did you finish your chemo? Are you doing OK? Send your news when you have time.

    Betty

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited November 2008

    Jennifer,

    I just start a new chemo with Hercepin only My Oncologyst stop all kind of medication. We are focus on my Anemia that has been with me since October. I am try to control with food. Jennifer do you recommend anything for that? I am very slow and very tired, but is almost finish 7 of 12. Let me hear from you and how are you deal with the chemo treatment.

    Have a nice day -  Betty

  • Betty0515
    Betty0515 Member Posts: 20
    edited November 2008

    Hi Suz,

    I am not a medecine person.  Since I started my chemo I am trying to tolerate pain as much as I can before take any medecine.  With this atitude my body was slowly work with chemo. Today I am on my 7 treatment I am not take no medecine.  My oncologyst stop everything because I don't need. I have Anemia now. My red cell is very low, I decided to take iron,folic acid and B12 that you can find on the cereal. This has been help with my red cell. My Anemia has been improved with this new receipt.   Good luck and let me know if you have question.

    Betty

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