BRCA2 positive and now what???

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BRCA2 positive and now what???
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  • seoulite
    seoulite Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2008

    After going through breast cancer diagnosis (November 2007), surgery, 4 rounds of chemo and now radiation (8 sessions to go, almost done!) my blood tests came back positive for BRCA2.

    I already saw the light at the end of the tunnel and now I find myself facing a new situation and new decisions. The cancer clinic recommends to preventively take out the ovaries, fallopian tubes and to do a double mastectomy. Undecided

    Now my head is spinning from thinking through all the different options. Do I want more surgeries for the extra security? I could live with the ovarectomy, but I have a hard time with the mastectomy (do they have to take out the nipples as well???).

    On the other hand I imagine it to be very stressful to go through frequent check-ups and be worried every time that they might find something which would mean going through surgery and treatment again! Not really a desirable solution either.

    Anybody out there that had to face similar decisions? How did you manage to find the right solution for you? And what did you end up with?

    Thanks for any input!

    Gabi

  • LUVmy2girlZ
    LUVmy2girlZ Member Posts: 2,394
    edited May 2008

    Gabi ~

    It is my understanding that with the BRCA test...you have a 50/50 % change of cancer in breast and ovarian cancer and highly recommended you remove both to lesson those "risks"  I am sure its a major disappointment just the same. Then hormone replacement and early menopause would in gen. would be so overwhelming to say the least.  Yet, to lesson those percentages to live a long full life is far worth it.

    Yes, I had a mastectomy and yes, they did take the nipple.

    Ovarian Cancer is so hard to detect and when one has symptoms its gen. already aggressive.

    I am sorry Gabi you are enduring all of this...yet w/ the BRCA testing its amazing they can identify this gene mutation and hopefully some day have something to correct it...but for now its "preventative" measures we must take!

    All my BEST with your decisions take your time do your research.

    Much LUV

  • smithlme
    smithlme Member Posts: 1,322
    edited May 2008

    Gabi,

    I, too am BRCA 2 positive. I've been diagnosed with breast cancer, twice, barely a year apart. I now know where my cancer is coming from. It helps to know this, but it also brings up many other issues. My geneticist has recommended a full hysterectomy, and I agree, as I am now at a 27% risk for ovarian cancer...too high for me. Ovarian cancer is difficult to diagnose, so waiting for the final pathology report after the hysterectomy will feel like forever.

    I've already had two mastectomies and both of my nipples are gone. At this point, with another major surgery coming up, I'm not sure if I will have any reconstruction. My body and spirit are tired and I need a long period of healing.

    The hard part for me will be telling my children, as this may affect them and my grand children. I am waiting until right before my surgery to tell them. It's been a rough 14 months and they can use a break from all my health issues.

    This is a very difficult decision and one that only you can make. Weigh the pros and cons and follow your heart. My goal is to live a long, healthy life and I will do everything I can to achieve it...

    Linda

  • rossie
    rossie Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2008

    Hi Gabi,

    I was diagnosed with breast cancer stage1 last December. I found out the results of my genetic testing few weeks after the lumpectomy, And to everyone's surprise I was positive for BRAC 2. Breast cancer has not expressed in many of my female relatives, I guess I was one of the unlucky ones.

    After a visit with the genetic counselors, seeing the stats and explanations of my risks, I decided to go for double mastectomy and also to have my ovaries removed. I am 42 years old with 2 college kids, so the decision was "easier", I think. On the other hand, given the situation of being younger with no children it would have been more difficult and my heart goes to these women who are facing this. But even in situations like that one, you will be surprised to find out that they are not alone, that there are women with similar stories liketheirs, yours or ours. I  researched in different forums to get an idea of what other women in this situation have done. I found that everyone's decision was personal and yet difficult. But the majority felt that it was much better to get their life's back with no more worries. And that they did whatever it took to get it!!!!

    It is difficult, but you will find the answer soon with no pressure. You will get there and when you do, you will choose the one you can live with.

    When I made my decisions,  I went through each procedure with a positive attitude, always sure that I was doing the right thing.  I will have my implants in about 2 months and this whole thing will be another chapter of my life.

    Everybody's situation is different and that is why you should ask questions and explore all your options.

    Good luck and I hope this helps.

  • gracejon
    gracejon Member Posts: 972
    edited May 2008

    Facing our risk of cancer empowered FORCE is a online community full of people with BRCA 1 and 2.  It may be helpful for you to touch base with them at facingourrisk.org.  I am sure you will find many ladies there that faced the same issues and may find it helpful.  good luck

  • gracejon
    gracejon Member Posts: 972
    edited May 2008

    Facing our risk of cancer empowered FORCE is a online community full of people with BRCA 1 and 2.  It may be helpful for you to touch base with them at facingourrisk.org.  I am sure you will find many ladies there that faced the same issues and may find it helpful.  good luck

  • gracejon
    gracejon Member Posts: 972
    edited May 2008

    Facing our risk of cancer empowered FORCE is a online community full of people with BRCA 1 and 2.  It may be helpful for you to touch base with them at facingourrisk.org.  I am sure you will find many ladies there that faced the same issues and may find it helpful.  good luck

  • gracejon
    gracejon Member Posts: 972
    edited May 2008

    Facing our risk of cancer empowered FORCE is a online community full of people with BRCA 1 and 2.  It may be helpful for you to touch base with them at facingourrisk.org.  I am sure you will find many ladies there that faced the same issues and may find it helpful.  good luck

  • tweekerbeeker
    tweekerbeeker Member Posts: 93
    edited May 2008

    I also just found out(right b4 my biopsy!!) that I am brca2+. My mother died of bc at 59-I am 52 now. But that was 27 years ago. This is now. There are hard decisions to make, but now we have choices.

    Like you, the thought of losing my ovaries(I will opt for complete hysterectomy) is not nearly so bad as the thought of losing my breasts. HOWEVER-the literature by Myriad labs says the risk is more like 85% for breast cancer-WAY too high for me. And if there is not a mastectomy, the chance of a 2nd cancer in the same breast in less than 5 years is quite high, and generally a person would develop cancer in the contralateral breast. That's a lot of risk.

    Surveillance could be an option, but you never know at what stage they will find it, or where.

    will let you know my couse of action soon.Wish the best for you!! 

  • LisaSDCA
    LisaSDCA Member Posts: 2,230
    edited May 2008

    Yep - it's a tough bit of news to hear, being BRCA positive. On the bright side, you can stop the radiation! CoolUndecided I know, small comfort. Yes, a double mastectomy is what is highly recommended, to save your life. I've had 'em - last September. See if you can get skin-sparing mastectomies with immediate reconstruction. It eases the shock to wake up with something there. I have no idea what sort of choices you have in S.Korea or if you have options for travel, but you do have time to consider your options. You have already done the tough part - getting it out of you, and following with the chemo knock-out punch.

    Now, let your skin heal from the radiation you did have (stopping now will help your reconstruction options, should you decide to reconstruct) and use this time to heal, recover, and discover what your options are while your get your mind wrapped around the whole idea. There are good options. It's never quite as good as the original equipment, but then, we cannot ask a surgeon's hands, however gifted, to replicate the Hand of God. But you'd be surprised how many women are pretty tickled to be firmer than they were, perkier, or a cup size larger. Small compensations, but they do help. Along with the relief of having vastly reduced chance of recurrence.

    Good luck to you on these decisions and on the path ahead.

    Lisa

    BRCA-1 positive also BRCA-2 variant of 'uncertain significance'

  • seoulite
    seoulite Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2008

    Thank you SO much to everybody who responded and for sharing your stories. Knowing not to be alone really helps me getting over the first shock and to start evaluating my options.

    I had looked at the FORCE website already, I just find breastcancer.org easier to use and manage - thanks a lot for the info though.

    As I am in Korea right now, my resources are very limited. The doctors here are very good (although their English is not), but first they don't take a lot of time to talk to their patients and then they do not like to perform these preventive surgeries. They believe that we have those organs for a reason and they only consider removing them if they are already cancerous. Unless I would insist of course, but even then I'm not sure how experienced they are with the reconstruction part.

    I feel I have to weigh the necessity of keeping those body parts against the very high risk of developing cancer there.... hhhmmmhhhmmm.

    I made some appointments anyway and will go see the doctors with my long list of questions in the next weeks. As you said, Lisa, at least I have some time to decide and don't need to hurry. And I agree with you, tweekerbeeker, that the surveillance methods nowadays are good, but are they good enough? What if they miss something? Or what if they find something and you're back at Square one facing surgery and everything. 

    I also want to find out more about the different mastectomy methods. Is there a possibility to just replace the breast tissue and keep the skin and nipples? I guess this is just a cosmetic questions in the end and not as important as the decrease of the risk, but it would make me feel so much better. 

    We're supposed to be here for another year (before heading back to Northern California) and so I can always plan on doing the whole process over there.

    Luckily I have 2 beautiful little girls and a great supportive husband who give me lots of strength :)

    I'll keep you posted on my decisions and wish all of you tons of luck as well.

    Gabi

  • rossie
    rossie Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2008

    Hi Gabi,

    I am glad you are preparing yourself and writing your questions. It is your body, your decision and every question should be answered.

    In reference to the mastectomy, I chose the reconstruction immediately. Expanders were placed under the muscle to stretch the skin in order to give room for my implants, which will be inserted in about 2 months. My nipples were saved :)

    They are looking pretty good and the scars sit right underneath my breasts, so they will be hiding. I can't complain, my breast surgeon and plastic surgeon are doing a great job!

    I am very happy! :) 

  • gracejon
    gracejon Member Posts: 972
    edited May 2008

    Gabi, you do have a lot of homework to do!  I have always thought the previvors who actively choose how much to do to decrease risks are far more brave than I.  It was pretty much a no brainer for me once I got cancer.  I had it all done breasts, ovaries.  I do feel more comfortable with myself thinking that I did all I could do.  BUT... not everyone can do that and certainly I am not sure what I would do if I did not have active cancer.  I do know when I was looking for information of breast reconstruction and particularly the DIEP technique, I found that DIEP originated in Japan.  I am glad you found this site and am wishing you well. 

  • seoulite
    seoulite Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2008

    Rossie,

    I am so glad to read that your reconstruction is going well, that you're happy with the way you look and that you got to keep your nipples. That's my big concern. Was it your choice or did your doctor recommend this to you? Do you have a higher remaining risk than if you would have taken off the whole breast? Are you taking any hormones? And what kind of regular check-ups do you have to do in the future? Sorry for so many questions!

    And Gracejon, you're right about the hoemwork. I'm in the middle of doing it and trying to find the best individual solution for me. It's a hard decision, especially as I have just gone through surgery, chemo and radiation and know what to expect in this regard. It's no walk in the park.

    Take good care.

    Gabi

  • lilith
    lilith Member Posts: 543
    edited October 2008

    Hi Gabi,

    maybe I can also give you some pointers. I have a similar road-map - I am 44 yrs old, 1 node, 8 rounds of chemo, no rads, one side mastectomy. And I came up as BRCA2 positive. For the record, I live in Switzerland, and I have found that the quality of health care I am receiving is superlative.

    I have interviewed at lenght my genetician (he also specialize in oncology) and my oncologist. I had already planned a bilat (I already have one breast missing, and for reconstruction purposes it felt logical to start on both side with an implant...), so that is going to be done next Monday (can't wait...).

    Per doctors' opinion, with BRCA2 the chances of ovarian cancer are pretty high, but not as high as with BRCA1 (in the 20% range rather than 50%). So they told me that I can take my time to decide, it isn't as URGENT as it may be sounded sometime. I'll probably do it, toward the end of the year. Anyway, I'll never have more children: chemopause seems to be here to stay, and now with 5 years of Tamoxifen and Herceptin! Such operation is done by laparascopy (no full incision), with a recovery time of a couple of days. Here, they'd keep me in the hospital 2 or 3 days as they are very careful, but I would expect a faster process in the US.

    Note one more thing: my mom is also most likely BRCA2 positive. She had breast cancer in '72 at 34 yrs old, underwent mastectomy and rads (no chemo), is alive and well today. She never had a recurrence nor further cancer declarations, she is turning 70 this year, never changed anything in her lifestyle or food intake. She even smokes occasionally (very occasionally), and drinks wine or cocktails in moderation, is not physically active, adores going in the sun. I am saying this to remind all of us that this is NOT a sentence, it is a statistic. I see it as an opportunity to take decisions in my hands...

  • honey
    honey Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2008

     Gabi

     My 35 year old daughter was pregnent and found the breast cancer stage 4.  Tested BRCA2. Could not have the baby. She has undergone cemo radition and hystrectomy.  A year later I was told that I had breast cancer also, (brac 2) needed double mastomecy reconstruction hystorectomy and bladder surgery. A year to the date of my surgery my 43 year old daughter was told she also had to (brac2) gene and she also had a double mastomecy limp nodes in right arm taken. She underwent cemo and radition.  I also have 2 other daughters one  tested positive for the (brac2) gene and the other one does not want to know.

    I can tell you that I was blessed to have found out this cancer as early as I did. It was found earily enough that I seem to be in the clear for now. My daughters are going through the treatments and they are doing well too. It really has to be in you mind and self talk that you will make it through and that your life will be better for it.

    My whole family has the information and they are all getting watched or tested for this gene.

    If you would like to talk with me I will be glad to answer any questions you have.

    Honey

  • honey
    honey Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2008

     Gabi

     My 35 year old daughter was pregnent and found the breast cancer stage 4.  Tested BRCA2. Could not have the baby. She has undergone cemo radition and hystrectomy.  A year later I was told that I had breast cancer also, (brac 2) needed double mastomecy reconstruction hystorectomy and bladder surgery. A year to the date of my surgery my 43 year old daughter was told she also had to (brac2) gene and she also had a double mastomecy limp nodes in right arm taken. She underwent cemo and radition.  I also have 2 other daughters one  tested positive for the (brac2) gene and the other one does not want to know.

    I can tell you that I was blessed to have found out this cancer as early as I did. It was found earily enough that I seem to be in the clear for now. My daughters are going through the treatments and they are doing well too. It really has to be in you mind and self talk that you will make it through and that your life will be better for it.

    My whole family has the information and they are all getting watched or tested for this gene.

    If you would like to talk with me I will be glad to answer any questions you have.

    Honey

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited May 2008

    Question for you ladies who are BRCA2 positive?  Were any of you the sole persons in your family to have Breast cancer, or did you all have others' in your family lines with a history of BC?

    I'm asking, b/c I was 49 and of course the cut off is 50 for higher risk.  Only one in my immediate family, with 2 sisters, and mother clear.  But my father's sister and her aunt have had BC at later ages (think 60-70) years old, so not early BC.  I'm trying to decide whether to consult a genetists or not?  Any thoughts?

  • seoulite
    seoulite Member Posts: 13
    edited May 2008

    Hi wishiwere,

    I have a history line in my family. My great-grandmother, grandmother and mother had it, although all of them were 60 or older when they had BC.

    I was 39 when I was diagnosed and so my sister initiated the genetic test for both of us. She was the lucky one who didn't get it, but I am BRCA2 positive.

    That means my mom has it too and I got it from her.  

    How about if you explain your situation to a genetist and ask for his opinion and recommendation? He may be able to tell you better whether a test makes sense in your case...

    Good luck to you!

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited May 2008

    Thanks.  I did talk to one on the phone and she said I have like an 8-10% chance of it?  Not sure that that means in the whole realm of things. She did say she's interested in persuing it on her side if I'm wanting to, b/c of the small family to go by.

     Just seems odd, I got it and no one else, so maybe it's just me and my make-up.  It appears to be on dad's side.  She also mentioned since there is only 1 paternal aunt and 1 great p-great-aunt, and only one of each on mom's side it might be why it hasn't shown up more?  There are a lot more men in the family than women in previous generations.  like 5 of 7 kids in a family and such. or 2 of 3 boys in another side most times.  I'm just really tossed as to whether to do it and then whether to tell anyone if I am, you know?  Frustrating...

  • honey
    honey Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2008

     Gabi

     My 35 year old daughter was pregnent and found the breast cancer stage 4.  Tested BRCA2. Could not have the baby. She has undergone cemo radition and hystrectomy.  A year later I was told that I had breast cancer also, (brac 2) needed double mastomecy reconstruction hystorectomy and bladder surgery. A year to the date of my surgery my 43 year old daughter was told she also had to (brac2) gene and she also had a double mastomecy limp nodes in right arm taken. She underwent cemo and radition.  I also have 2 other daughters one  tested positive for the (brac2) gene and the other one does not want to know.

    I can tell you that I was blessed to have found out this cancer as early as I did. It was found earily enough that I seem to be in the clear for now. My daughters are going through the treatments and they are doing well too. It really has to be in you mind and self talk that you will make it through and that your life will be better for it.

    My whole family has the information and they are all getting watched or tested for this gene.

    If you would like to talk with me I will be glad to answer any questions you have.

    Honey

  • rossie
    rossie Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2008

    Hi Gabi,

    About your questions, my surgeon told me that they could save my nipples. Breast reconstruction surgeries has changed a lot in the last five years or so. The surgeon and plastic surgeon told me that it is possible now (although every case is different) and it is done frequently. I go every 2 weeks to get saline injected into the expanders and then I will get the implants.

    About the check-ups, I need to see the surgeon in few months and then I will be done with that. I am not taking any hormones. My symptoms after my oopherectomy are very mild,  with an ocassional hot flash and not strong at all. I am taking vitamins, extra calcium and BiOmega, since I read somewhere that it would help me. 

    Good luck and all the best!  :) 

  • seoulite
    seoulite Member Posts: 13
    edited June 2008

    Honey - I am so sorry about your whole family being affected by BC. It must be very tough for you to see your daughters go through all of this. My mom always says she wishes she could go through everything in my place and have me be healthy instead, but unfortunately these are the things we can't control. Instead we have to focus on the things that we can control.

    I also have 2 daughters which are still very young (5 and 1yr). I just hope that by the time they can be tested there will be new methods and treatments available.

    And Rossie - thank you for the additional information. How long do you have to have the expanders for? Is it painful? Do you already know when you'll get your implants? Btw - it is important to take those vitamins as the ovarectomy may promote osteoporosis.

    Lilith - I hope your surgery yesterday went well. I thought about you and I am sending you lots of energy to recover quickly Laughing

    Gabi

  • rossie
    rossie Member Posts: 4
    edited June 2008

    Hi Gabi,

    The expanders were inserted at the time of the mastectomy and depending on how quick you heal, you can start the saline injections within weeks. Once you reach the desired size, usually a bit more of saline is injected to give room for the implants. I just reached my desired size YESTERDAY!!!! :)

    The plastic surgeon  suggest waiting a month before inserting the implants. Because of my doctor's vacations and other committments I will have to wait 2 months. But that's okay, I can wait, there is no rush!!  The expanders don't hurt at all. I noticed a bit of back pain right after the injections, probably because the muscles are being strecthed. Remember that the expanders are under your chest muscles and that is where your implanst will go.

    About the vitamins, I've been taking them for years. After the oophorectomy, my OBG-YN advised me to take extra calcium. I also read about BiOmega and I added that also not only because it is good for you but because I read it might alleviate some menopausal symptoms. I am not experiencing severe symptoms, thank goodness!! Only a bit hot at times and restless at night. I take Simply sleep by Tylenol. It is working like a charm :)

    My email address is rbsaez@optonline.net 

    Let me know how you are doing :) 

  • Tsuki324
    Tsuki324 Member Posts: 1
    edited June 2008

    Hello

        I dont know what to do about the BRCA1 and 2 test because they are too expensive and I dont find any trial that pay for it. You know any?. I send you my best for you to do the right decision. I,m estrogen + ,progesteron + ,and Her2 + .

  • bisous3
    bisous3 Member Posts: 116
    edited June 2008

    I am BRCA 2 + and had a nipple and skin sparing mastectomy with immediate (non expander) implant placement...a/k/a the "Alloderm One Step". I am not sure if there are surgeons performing this surgery in Seoul, but I can tell you it was very do- able. If you go to www.mybreastreconstruction.com it goes into more detail. The difficult thing about nipple sparing mastectomy is that it takes a very skilled surgeon and as a result many don't want ot perform it. It is difficult to do correctly, so many times the surgeons will try and talk you out of it, tell you its too dangerous to keep the nipple. What they SHOULD say is "there ARE surgeons who do this but I am not one of them" but I find instead they try to make the patient think they are making a mistake by keeping the nipple. Now they may want to remove the nipple on the side where the cancer was, but no reason they cannot keep it on the prophylactic side.



    Wishiwere, just to let you know there were 2 breast cancers in my family. My mother's which she was dx'd with at 45, and my aunt who was dx'd at 65. I was told by the genetics counselor that according to the risk calculator used by Myriad, the lab that performs the BRCA test, I had only a 4.5% chance of being BRCA +. I just had a weird feeling I was and sure enough I was right. Listen to your gut and have the test.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2008

    My mother just had a masectomy.   She is doing great in recovery.   She is perky and walking about.   It was very hard for her.  She had her right breast removed.   However, she is now regretting not getting the other one done for her piece of mind.   I'm pretty sure she may decide to do the other one later.   My grandmother, also had a masectomy.   I never new to years later that she had it done.  I could never tell.   I don't know if this helps.   I'm so sorry.

  • bco-admin34667
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    edited July 2008
  • cdsouza
    cdsouza Member Posts: 10
    edited July 2008

    I just joined too. I do not have breast cancer but I have met with a surgeon in New York who is one of very few doctors who does a nipple sparing mastectomy. As he explained it to me, there is a way to remove all the tissue and leave the nipple, but there is no sensation left there since most if not all of the nerves are removed with the breast tissue. I am not sure if this type is recommended if you already have had cancer....I am BRCA1 positive and I was told by others that I could not have a nipple sparing surgery, so it is always good to ask someone else. He also said that your breast size and body type make a difference....smaller breasts and narrow frame are good since there won't be extra skin after the removal...aslo recopnstruction is often done sumultaneously and an expander is not always necessary....depends on your before and after sizes as long as the recon is done at the same time. I have 4 children, so for me I am weighing timing....I feel like a time bomb, but with 4 kids between 11 months and 9 years, I am afraid to get the surgery right now.

  • NancyGB
    NancyGB Member Posts: 1
    edited August 2008

    Hello Ladies,

    I was diagnosed at 33 with stage III breast cancer.  There was left mastectomy,chemo, radiation, tamoxifen for 5 years and the tram flap reconstruction.  It is now almost 9 years later and I had the BRCA test done and am BRCA 2+.  My family history consists of a cousin with breast cancer on my mothers side and an aunt on my fathers side who passed on from ovarian cancer.  Wow, there is a lot of information out there.  I am considering the hysterectomy with bilateral salpingo oopherectomy (removing all of the plumbing).  My breast tumor was estrogen positive.  I am hoping that by having this done, that I can just monitor the right breast with breast MRI, since removing the ovaries will take care of the estrogen factor.  I wish they would be able to tell you what side of the percentage you are on the good 50% or the bad 50%.  It would make life easier.  I am only 42 now, so I am not really excited about the surgical menapause, but I guess that would happen naturally anyways.  I hope the fact that I have survived 9 years of breast cancer is hope for anyone else.  I still have a lot of doctors to speak with as I only found out about the BRCA-2+ a couple of days ago.  My reconstruction I am very happy with.  It was not recommended for me to have reconstruction right away due to the fact my oncologist was concerned with starting chemo and did not want to wait if there was complications from reconstruction.  The only advice I can really give is for me since everything was going so fast after my diagnosis, it was better for me to wait for the reconstruction.  One other benefit of waiting is that I had radiation and when the surgeon did the tram flap, he could cut away a lot of the radiated damaged tissue.  I know that radiation can have some effects on breast implants if you would choose that route, so research this carefully if you have radiation.  Good luck to you all.

    Nancy

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