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lucky32 Member Posts: 97
Questions for those who have considered bilateral mastectomy

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  • lucky32
    lucky32 Member Posts: 97
    edited April 2008

    Hello ladies,

    I am posting this in both the High-Risk and LCIS forums. I need a little help from those who have considered prophylactic bilateral mastectomy. I met with my oncologist yesterday, and it is now time for me to consider this. I was diagnosed with LCIS 6 years ago, and have tried all the hormonal treatments that I am eligible for. None has worked, so here we are. It is not imperative that I have the surgery, but it is a legitimate option at this point. (I have actually been thinking about this for several years, so it isn't like I was just hit with it.)

    I am still very undecided, although I am leaning toward doing it. I know that if I do it, I do not want reconstruction. That's about the only thing I'm sure of right now! If you have considered this option, it would help me very much if you could tell me a little about the following:

    1.         How did you arrive at your decision? (either to do it or not)

    2.         How long did it take you to decide?

    3.         Did you talk to your family and friends during your decision-making process?

    4.         If you did, how did they react?

    5.         How did your husband or partner feel about it?

    6.         Are you satisfied with your decision?

    Later on, I'll probably have questions about more practical matters, such as recovery time, things to have on hand, etc. But right now, it would be most helpful to have some insight into how others made this decision.

    My oncologist has referred me to a breast surgeon, although there is no real hurry. However, since I have done so much thinking about it already, I expect that I'll decide one way or the other within the next few months.

    Thank you all so much for any help you can give me.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited April 2008

     Hi Lucky32, I am very sorry you are dealing with this.

    I know there will be many gals chiming in to assist your decision, but remember that in the end, it is still your final call.

    I'll also recommend www.breastfree.org, which was created by one of our very own here, Erika.  It is a site for women who have opted out of reconstruction.  There are some personal stories and some photos of going natural or going with forms (I also contributed there Laughing ) and there are discussions there as well.

    I'm copying/pasting your questions and will give you my answers...short, but hopefully you can delve further with other sites and other posters.  BEST TO YOU in your trek through this, one of the hardest decisions we must make.

    1. How did you arrive at your decision? (either to do it or not)  I had to make a pretty quick decision in terms of the fact I was diagnosed with invasive cancer.  I looked at websites, posts here, discussed with DH, and finally, what my own comfort level was with worry about recurrence and dealing with no boobs.  

    2. How long did it take you to decide?  Within a month, I knew.

    3. Did you talk to your family and friends during your decision-making process? I spoke with a friend who had the bilaterals and had reconstruction, I was lucky to have nurses who also had BC show me their "new breasts" and I spoke with my husband and sister.

    4. If you did, how did they react? DH assumed I'd have lumpectomy but went with me to every appointment...I wanted to skip rads, so opted for bilaterals (and I'm a worrier).  When I told him I was leaning towards bilaterals, I think it concerned him...not because of my boobs being gone (he's not a boob guy Tongue out ) but because he thought and imagined it being horribly traumatic for me.  My twin sis said she'd have opted for lumpectomy, my good friend had bilaterals and recon.  After our plastic surgeon visit, DH couldn't imagine going through that...and neither could I.  I made my decision from my gut (which also helped me get diagnosed).

    5. How did your husband or partner feel about it?  My DH felt so bad for my getting the DX, but as he is not a boob guy, I think it hit him less hard than guys who enjoy boobs.  My DH actually said I looked younger with my new "flat chest" look! 

    6. Are you satisfied with your decision?  VERY.   I recently found a new lump (turned out to just be fatty tissue), but I wonder how it would have been dealt with if I had reconstruction or how I would have felt if I still had my originals.   Only fleatingly do I fantasize about having cleavage and my old profile.  Sure, having had 34Ds, I miss the occasional "guys looking" at me, but frankly, it is soooooo much easier to exercise, to sleep, to dress....and no more bra shopping has huge advantages Cool  (as you may have surmized, I go flat and love it).

  • Lolita
    Lolita Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2008

    Hello,



    Here are my answers to your questions. I had no reconstruction after my mastectomy on 11/20/07.



    1. In addition to a .4 cm idc which was excised with the original surgical biopsy, I had extensive LCIS in one breast. I was planning to have radiation until I saw the radiation oncologist, and he told me about a new study which suggested it might be appropriate to excise all the LCIS. My surgeon did not think that she could do this, and I looked into how LCIS can be a predictor for cancer in either breast and made my decision to have a bilateral.



    2. It took me two weeks to decide.



    3. I talked to my best friends, my coworkers, my dh, my mother and acquaintances who had had breast cancer.



    4. My mother was dead set against and spent every ounce of her energy trying to persuade me not to have a mastectomy. She was a helpful devil's advocate. Everyone else,was supportive of my decision.



    5. My dh was supportive and has been supportive. It has not changed our intimacy.



    6. I am very satisfied with my decision. I was able to forgo radiation. This was a crap shoot since I would have had to have it if my lymph nodes were positive. I have regained most of my range of motion, and I feel pretty good. I never wanted to have another mammogram and go through that anxiety. Now, I just have to pray that none of the cancer got through the blood stream.



    I wish you the best of luck. There is no universal right decision. Many women are satisfied and stay healthy with a lumpectomy and radiation. It seems like you are asking exactly the right questions.



    Lolita



  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited April 2008

    Lucky, Let me give you some background as to how I came up with my decision. Aunt dx 1978 with OC, Mom dx 2001 BC, mom did genetic test found negative. I was dx in Jan 2005 with ADH (pre-cancer) in the left breast, dx Aug 2006 ADH in right breast, put on Tamox, told to consider preventive bilat mast by surgeon. April 2007 dx with DCIS in right. I had bilat mast with recon last June. Here are my answers to your questions:

    1.         How did you arrive at your decision? (either to do it or not) Because of the family history I did not want to let the cancer get another chance to come back and possibly be more invasive.

    2.         How long did it take you to decide? I thought about it for 3 or 4 months after the doctor approached me about it and had come to the decision to go ahead if I had another abnormal mammo. My 6 month mammo after the 2nd dx of ADH was abnormal again so my decision was made.

    3.         Did you talk to your family and friends during your decision-making process? I spoke openly with my family about it and just before my mammo, Oprah had Renee Siler on her show and she spoke about her journey through bilat preventive mast. My mom had me go to her house to watch the later showing of Oprah that night so I would have a chance to watch it.

    4.         If you did, how did they react? They were very open to the procedure. They wanted me to do what I felt I needed to do.

    5.         How did your husband or partner feel about it? He was right there, He told me that he married me for me not just my boobs, and if i decided not to reconstruct, he would still be there for me.

    6.         Are you satisfied with your decision? Getting ready for my one year anniversary of the mammo that changed my life, I am very happy that I went ahead with the surgery.

    It is a very personal decision and we cannot tell you what you need to do for yourself. I am just answering the questions about why I did what I did. and they are all the same questions I asked myself in making my decision.

    Sheila

  • veggievet
    veggievet Member Posts: 72
    edited April 2008

    Dear Lucky,

    You might also consider posting your question on the message boards on FORCE (http://www.facingourrisk.org ) as many of the women there have contemplated or had prophylactic mastectomy and some because of an LCIS diagnosis.

    I had bilateral mastectomy; one side for cancer, one side  prophylactically.  I would also recommend really when researching your reconstruction options that you read the Breast Reconstruction Guidebook by Kathy Steligo (http://www.breastrecon.com ) it's a great resource.

    Hugs and love,

    Sue

  • gracejon
    gracejon Member Posts: 972
    edited April 2008

    Is your oncologist recommending mastectomy?  Hormonal treatment does not make LCIS go away so I am clueless to understand the statement "none worked"  In my mind it would work if you did not develop invasive cancer.  I take a hormonal therapy to prevent recurrence of invasive cancer and so far mine has worked.  I also so believe in getting another opinion from a completely different practice when deliberating though decisions like these.  Having mastectomy for invasive cancer versus having mastectomy for a lesion at increased risk for invasive cancer is difficult regardless of the circumstances.  I also think that no one can make that decision for you.  I can not imagine how difficult it must be to put yourself at worry each time you have tests done.  I personally feel that wide excisions and mastectomies result in deformities that are difficult if you have body image worries.  I also feel that some women are not in the least bothered about how it looks.  Again it totally is such a personal decision and one that you considering your very most personal reasons must make.  My family had left the decison up to me but clearly myself and they preferred that I would be able to be around and not dead.  LCIS does increase risk but if you look at papers there are many women that never develop invasive cancers.  It is unfortunate that medicine can not predict who will and become more proactive.  Clearly if you have the breast cancer gene (sorry I do not know if you do) the decision is swayed in mastectomies.  The bravest women I think in that case remove ovaries and breasts.  I would find that pretty hard personally but for me after cancer I had both done.  A decision that I am comfortable with at this point but even after both were done and with several complications that resulted in more surgery I had some reservations about what I had done.  I do understand this is difficult and hope whatever your decision you can find a resolution that is peaceful to your soul.  Best of luck.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2008

    Lucky--I am another that was confused by the statement about the hormonals "not working"--do you mean that you couldn't tolerate tamoxifen? or Evista? (because as far as I know, there isn't a definitive test--you either get an invasive bc or you don't).

    1) I seriously considered bilat. mastectomies for a brief time when my surgeon first mentioned it  might be necessary (he didn't know for sure at that time what my final diagnosis would be) 

    2)my decision making is kind of on-going (and has been for over 4 and a half years)---as long as I'm getting clear scans (just did again 3 weeks ago) and nothing abnormal is felt,  I'm OK with the close monitoring and tamox.  If anything invasive was ever detected, I would definitely do bilaterals. (I've even thought ahead to what reconstruction I'd have--bilat. DIEP--so I've given it a great deal of thought) 

    3) I don't talk that much about it with my family and friends, cuz it's so confusing for them to understand--eyes start to glaze over--so I  find my support from others on this board who are dealing with the same/ or similar issues.

    4) They all know that I've done my research and feel comfortable with my decisions (I'm the medical one in the family that everyone comes to for questions!); they are all very supportive.

    5) My husband  leaves the decision up to me, knows I will do what I have to do.  He is extremely supportive--he knows this board  gives me a lot of support and doesn't complain how much time I spend here on the computer!

    6)  I am very closely monitored wilth mammos /MRIs/ breast exams, so I revisit my decision frequently.  While my risk is high due to the combined factors of LCIS and family history, I do take tamoxifen which hopefully is reducing my risk significantly, and I have had my ovaries out (not by choice, but trying to look at it positively) which reduces it even further.

    Anne 

  • lucky32
    lucky32 Member Posts: 97
    edited April 2008

    Sorry, ladies. I should have been more clear. When I say that the hormonals didn't work, I really mean a couple of things:

    1. I couldn't tolerate either tamoxifen or Evista. (Although I'm still premenopausal, my doctor wanted to me to try Evista anyway, which I did.)

    2. I am in a research study, and as part of that have random fine-needle aspirations done every 6 months. This gives us a good idea of what is going on at the cellular level. Although no invasive cancer has yet been found, the test results indicate worrisome changes that are increasing over time. Anne, you are right that there isn't a definitive test, but being in this study gives me the closest thing currently available. There are certainly many limitations, but it's the best info I can get. I hope that eventually this will be available to anyone who needs it.

    So that's what I mean about hormonals not working. My doctor and I have discussed and rejected one other hormonal option, which is to take Lupron and Arimidex. Some other medical issues preclude this for me.

    Thank you so much for all your help.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2008

    Hi, Lucky,

    I've had bilateral mastectomies, 3 years apart, the second prophylactic because of recurrent biopsies for lumps that could be felt but not imaged. I had ILC so it was always a worry. There was some atypical hyperplasia found with the biopsies, so I decided within a couple of hours to just be done with it. The post-surgery biopsy found LCIS, and my onc danced a little jig of joy for having done the surgery.Laughing My DH has always been very supportive, tells me my scars are signs of my courage and will to live. I'm content with my decision, but to say I was "happy" with it would be slightly nuts. Who's happy to have to make this decision at all. Wink

    I wonder if you've visited www.breastfree.org? Lots of stories of women's experiences making this decision, photos that help demystify it, and pages and pages of resources for coping. It's a project started by one of the bc.org Sisters here. Hope that helps!

    Binney 

  • lucky32
    lucky32 Member Posts: 97
    edited April 2008

    Thank you all so much, ladies.

    Binney, I have looked at breastfree.org. It's a great site--thanks for reminding me of it. I know you are the lymphedema guru, and I have a question for you (even though this is not the LE area): What is the thinking about PBM and LE? I am assuming the risk is less than it would be if nodes were removed. Is that right?

    Sue, thanks so much. I'll look at those resources.

    So many things to think about. Thank you all again.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2008

    Lucky, you're right that the risk is less with fewer nodes removed. And it's less if you avoid radiation too. But it's still a risk, since any trauma to the chest can damage both nodes and lymph vessels. So you'll want to learn all you can about reducing your lymphedema risk (good place to start is the Position Papers at the National Lymphedema Network, www.lymphnet.org). You'll see that the steps to take to protect yourself are fairly simple. Smile

    Better still, insist on a referral to a well-qualified lymphedema therapist for baseline arm measurements, learning a simple prophylactic massage you can do yourself, fitting for sleeves and gloves for exercise and travel, and hints on skin care and other protection tips. If you don't know how to find one, the Therapist Locator at www.mylymphedema.com can help.

    Big hugs, and prayers that you'll have real peace and smooth sailing with your decision!

    Binney 

  • rider98
    rider98 Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2008

     Hi Everyone,

      I was diagnosed with bc in 2003. I had lcis,ilc,and dcis all in one 7mm tumor located on the very outside edge of my left breast.The tumor was found with a pain I felt when a tech rolled over it with the wand while doing an ultrasound. (Less than 10% of bcs are found like this.)I was fine until a year ago when I felt the same pain in a different place on my left breast. I can press on the area and make the pain occur but it also "fires" on its own. For the last 3 months ,I now have the same pain in my right breast in 2 places as well. I have just had an mri that found no tumors but found undefined tissue "enhancement" in the exact places I'm having the pain. This last year was, in many ways, more stressfull than the year I was diagnosed. I am meeting with my surgeon on May 13th, and I believe I will ask for a prophelactic bilateral mastectomy with no reconstruction. I want to know if you all experienced a lot of pain and if you are comfortable with the way you look. I care about my appearance and I don't mind going breastless, but I want to look ok. Most of you seem happy with your decision. What question do you wish you had asked before you did the procedure? I had hoped to save my breasts but...now I want to save my life. To top it all off, I am post-menopausal but I have very dense breasts which is not good esp. for mammography. I disliked the mri; it is not something I would want to do again. I am afraid to do this (pbm) and afraid not

    to do this. It helped to read your entries. Hope to read your

    comments. Thanks to you all.

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited May 2008

    Rider, I had previous abnormal mammos on both breasts that resulted in biopsies. the first 2 times I had Atypical Ductal Hyperplaisia (pre-cancer) within 18 months of each other. Last year at my 6 month mammo they said it was abnormal again - 6 months after the last abnormal biopsy. I had enough of the roller coaster. I had bilat mast but opted for recon last June. I am happy with my decision. My mom was dx with BC in 2001 and had single mast without recon.

    If you are looking for answers about no recon, you can check out a site by one of our members www.breastfree.org  this site discusses the woman who decides not to go through reconstruction. There is another site that talks about the types of reconstruction. www.breastreconstruction.org . It has all types of questions to ask before going through reconstruction.

    You may have to copy and paste these sites into the browser bar to see them.

    I hope that these sites help you with your decision.

    sheila

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited May 2008

    I chose a bilateral mast when it was discovered that a small spot turned into stage III, multifocal IDC. Since it went undetected with regular mammograms and then appeared to be a stage 0 or 1 with the diagnostics, it was considered reasonable to have a prophylactic mast of the other breast. I was not interested in recon and have not regretted that decision. I have a pair of 'fake' boobs but hardly ever wear them. They are quite comfortable but unnecessary for me.



    There certainly are occassions when I do miss my breasts but not very often or for long. I don't have to worry about every ache I would have or if the test results were accurate. Since I had the second mast done at a later date, I experienced issues from being lopsided that I no longer have. I have a small lump that is being removed next week and I wonder how long it would have been hidden if I had reconstruction done.



    I have no regrets and would make the same decision in a heartbeat. It is such a personal decision and you are the one who has to live with it.



    Take Care

  • sajeum
    sajeum Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2008

    I had a bilateral masectomy two years ago. Diagnosed with DCIS Stage 0 in right breast. Orginal biopsy removed the cancer and there was nothing found in either breast. Had reconstruction immediaely. I feel great, look great AND I don't have to have the dreaded mammograms. I wish I had done this years ago due to tremendous worry that I had for the last twenty years about breast cancer. Every appt. was anxiety producing.

  • chenieb
    chenieb Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2008

    I am scheduled for prophylactic mastecomies this Tuesday - May 20th. 

    How did I arrive at decision?  I am BRCA1 positive, lost my mother to breast cancer when I was 9 years old - she was 38.  Her mother had breast cancer in her 30's and died of ovarian in her early 50's.  My mothers sister had breast cancer in her 30's, ovarian in her late 30's and is still alive today.  My sister has breast cancer - is 48.  I am 45.  I am so ready to do this.  I feel like I am given an opportunity that my mother, grandmother, aunt and sister were never given.  I can be proactive rather than reactive.  That is my biggest reason.  My husband attended counseling with me - along with my brothers and sisters (4 out of 5 of us are BRCA1 positive) and is so supportive. 

    2.  How long did it take me to decide?  I have been considering this for all of my adult life - 20 plus years.  I think I knew that I always wanted to do this - it just took me finding out that I was BRCA1 positive to commit to doing it and setting the date.

    3.  Have I talked to family and friends?  You betcha.  Some people don't quite understand the decision.  That's allright.  They don't have to live with me - I have to live with me and I want to live.....  I think when you look at it from that perspective - you realize that you want the best odds to live a long and healthy life.  I want to see my grandchildren - something my mother was never given the opportunity to do.

    Also - we found out during testing that we are of Ashkenazi Jew descent.  I tested positive for the 185delAG mutation - found in Jewish people.  Never would have thought that - asked my aunt and she said yes - that my great grandmother was jewish and married a Catholic and decided to raise their child as catholics. 

    Know that your decision is your decision - there is no right or wrong - it is what you feel comfortable with.

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