Weight training after node surgery

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  • Hope_M
    Hope_M Member Posts: 261
    edited April 2008

    I started strength training after BC treatment and DIEP. I had a full axillary dissection and developed mild lymphedema right away. I wear a medium compression sleeve daily.



    I feel that dealing with your lymphedema is a matter of trial and error, to some degree. Since you only had two nodes removed, and since you are accustomed to training, I think that you should feel comfortable easing back into it. My lymphedema actually gets worse when I miss my lifting.



    To give you an idea of my weights, I bench press 80 lbs. and use higher weights when working with both arms (as in a lat pulldown with a bar on a universal machine). HOWEVER, when working with individual dumbells, I top out at 15 lbs. or so. I have noticeable fatigue in my affected arm. My theory is that it can't drain the lactic acid out quickly enough, so if I do 3 sets of 15 military push ups and bench presses, then I'm going to need a slight assist to do bicep curls at 15 on the affected arm later. Sometimes my trainer gives my upper body a break to do squats, lunges, abs, etc., and then returns to do the triceps, biceps, etc. after the arm has recovered.



    I don't want to tell you to be careless with your arm, but I also have the opinion that you don't need to be enslaved to the 8 lb. rule. Your body will tell you what is too much. Be VERY careful not to have an accident while stacking or loading weights, however. I think that is a real risk.



    P.S. - Massage and stretch the cord. It often will go away.



    Good luck,

    Hope M.

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited April 2008

    The TotalImmersion folks will be running clinics in my area several times in the coming months. I'm hoping I can swing the $495 to attend. If not, I'll try the book. But for me, there's nothing like hands-on.

    I'm envious of gals who do pull-ups. I'm working on it. It's a strength move for climbers, but I just have never had that kind of strength. Now, my butt weights me down.

    Just a thought, for folks who want to tone up like with wieghts, and not actually do weights, yoga is a fabulous sport. It's all you and your body's ability.

    Anne

  • paige-allyson
    paige-allyson Member Posts: 781
    edited April 2008

    I am working with the Total Immersion book too. I would love to go to one of the clinics- likewise if I can swing the $$$. It's not so far from here- maybe 2 1/2 hours and sounds really worth it. The yoga idea appeals- I have several dvds that i love but haven't used much lately. Definitely need the stretching and the upper body strength building.

    Hope- encouraging to hear how you've done with the lifting. I don't plan on becoming a heavy lifter but I think maybe I have been too fearful of using the affected arm. I have some mild cording which I've been working on with stretching and massage. I did have some slight lymphedema in the index finger and knuckle but it has resolved on it's own over the last couple of months.

  • Hope_M
    Hope_M Member Posts: 261
    edited April 2008

    Allyson,

    I've been encouraging others to look for a therapist trained in the Dr. Bruno Chickley method of lymphatic drainage.  You may want to research that!

    Hope M. 

  • Munchy
    Munchy Member Posts: 111
    edited April 2008

    To Dansmom, I have my first radiologist appt next week, where I guess I just got a preview of what will happen. And yeah, not looking forward to another chunk of my life (5 weeks) dedicated to something I never asked for. Of course the other way to look at it is that it is the final step in getting back to my old life.



    I too, have to go on Tamoxifen for five years after. That's another thing I dread. So many people are "balancing" their hormones these days - putting their hormone levels where they were in their twenties. It's supposed to keep you young, strong, and lengthen your life span. These drugs - Tamoxifen and the aromatase inhibitors - do the opposite. They make your hormone levels about like that of a ninety year old woman! I will age faster, get weaker, and become more brittle, during these next 5 years. Yuck, I heard it makes you fat too... oh boy.



    Anyway, I see my surgeon today so she can give me the go ahead to start exercising, even though I started two days ago - tee hee. I remember doing the same thing after I gave birth to my kids. The doctors tell you not to exercise until the 6 week checkup, but do your normal activities as soon as possible. That was a contradiction! So I only listened to the second part, and started doing little abdominal crunches in my hospital bed!



    What Hope said makes sense. It seems that the muscle contractions would help lymphedema to drain out. I bought a book on fitness after breast surgery and it does recommend alternating sets of an exercise using the arms with one using the lower body or core, sort of like what your trainer is doing. This book goes further, recommending that the entire workout is based on this alternating of sets so you avoid a pump.



    You are all such an inspiration to me. I love to hear that it is possible to get my life back and it's so helpful to hear how you all have done it and are still doing it!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2008

    Hey, Munchy...

    Just a little note about Tamoxifen: I just passed my three-year mark on it and haven't gained a pound. Only a few qirky side effects in the first year (a weird rash, awful PMS), then all was cool. Can't wait to stop taking it, though (until the THEN WHAT'S? creep into the grey matter, lol).

    You crack me up about the post-child birth crunches! You sound like such an athlete Laughing

    Have fun with your surgeon... 

  • Jross
    Jross Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2008

    I finished breast cancer treatment in May 2006 and returned to strength training in July. Since then I have run a half marathon and other shorter races and lift a good amount of weight in the gym three days a week.  Just today I bench pressed 45 lbs.( single arm presses) I had lymph node surgery and have never had any trouble with the affected arm. I am not saying it is a good idea to lift much weight in the beginning but it is certainly possible later on given the right circumstances.  I work with 2 different trainers, who know me well. I am 60 years old, 5' 5" and weigh 124 lbs. Hope this info helps! J

  • Jross
    Jross Member Posts: 6
    edited May 2008

    Just to clarify...I started weight training 2 months after radiation and have trained 3x a week since then...no problems.I also have regular massage!

  • Munchy
    Munchy Member Posts: 111
    edited May 2008

    Thanks for your input. Wow... you sound like an amazing woman. Anyone of any age would be in great shape doing what you do... but at 60! Good for you. I'm 49 and hope to be where you are someday.



    An update... I have been adding weight and sets a little at a time. So far, so good. But no where near where I was, and I estimate that I've lost about 5 pounds of lean muscle mass. Bummer.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited July 2008

    Munchy, how goes it?

  • Munchy
    Munchy Member Posts: 111
    edited August 2008

    Hi Felicia.  Everything is great.  I'm always a little paranoid about getting the lymphedema.  My arm is numb and tingly in spots (and probably always will be) and so I'm always imagining that it feels swollen.  Radiation wasn't too bad - my olive complexion was a real advantage, so I didn't get too burnt up.  Mostly, it was just a pain in the butt having to go to those appointments every day.  The Tamoxifen has caused no problems at all - what a relief!  Work outs are going well - although they bear no resemblance to my old work outs.  I superset opposing muscle groups and mix in 5 to 10 minutes of cardio between sets to keep fluids from pooling in one place.  So far. so good, but I probably will never regain the strength or muscle mass I lost.  I haven't even tried to do a pull-up.  I've lost some flexibility and it hurts like hell to reach too far up or forward.  Pull -downs on a machine are as far as I've gotten there.  Gained back all the weight I lost while on Chemo - not a good thing.  Since I lost some lean muscle, I am now fatter although I weigh the same.  Not too worried though, hopefully that will work itself out in a few months.

    Hope you are doing well also.  Keep fightin! 

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