What WEREN'T you told about A/C chemo

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What WEREN'T you told about A/C chemo

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  • collector
    collector Member Posts: 193
    edited August 2008

    I just saw the first Onc today.  Am getting a second opinion nest week.  I had lumpectomy 4/25 and seem to be healing well. A mass was removed that was 2 cm at the largest point.  SNB showed 0/2 nodes were involved so I thought I could get by without chemo.  The onco is recommending 4 cycles of A/C followed by radiation and then aromatase inhibitors.  What bothers me the most is the chemo.  What did you have the LEAST preparation for when you started your chemo?  I'm much better at dealing with things if I know what to expect.  Thanks.  Collector

  • rockwell_girl
    rockwell_girl Member Posts: 1,710
    edited May 2008

    did your doctor do the oncotype test on you to see if chemo will be beneficial?  Also I had read T/C has less side effects but sometimes doctors try to give us A/C because it's cheaper.

  • collector
    collector Member Posts: 193
    edited August 2008

    We asked about the Oncotype Dx and were told we would probably have to petition the insurance company to cover it.  The paper work is filled out but it will be 2 weeks until we hear anything.  The constant WAITING>>>>>>

  • rockwell_girl
    rockwell_girl Member Posts: 1,710
    edited May 2008

    I'm a little bummed because today when I got the mail I got my explanation of benefits and my insurance doesn't want to pay any of the $3500+ bill but I'm going to appeal it.  This test helped me decide that I didn't need chemo so I am glad I took it but all this paper work with the insurance company and doctor bills is a headache.

  • mthomp2020
    mthomp2020 Member Posts: 1,959
    edited May 2008

    Seems kind of stupid that the insurance won't pay for the test.  It could save them a bundle if you don't need chemo.  Each tx cost more than $3500!  Hell, the Neulasta shot that I got after each tx cost that much by itself!

    Also, the A/C seems to be more beneficial to HER2 + according to recent studies.  Taxol or Taxotere would seem to make more sense in your case, if you do need chemo.

    As to what I wasn't told about A/C, my onc never explained the lifetime max dose due to heart toxicity, and he originally was planning on giving me 8 tx - twice the normal amount.  6 tx's would put me at the maximum dose.  When I brought it up, he said he could give me medication if any problems arose.  I pretty much said I didn't want to go over the max, especially since I didn't want to screw up my being able to get Herceptin afterwards.  If I hadn't done my own research, he probably would've done 8 tx's, which could have caused some pretty serious heart problems.

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited May 2008

    I have read that AC is being replaced by TC in many ER+ patients. I just wanted to share that I had dose dense AC and had a very good response, greater than 95% reduction by MRI. I know this because I had my chemo before surgery and had MRIs before and after the first 4 chemo treatments. After 4 treatments of AC I had scattered cells of viable cancer left in the breast and had a chemo sensitivity test done on it to see what still might work. The testing showed that my cancer was non responsive to any of the taxanes at that point. It was still responsive to AC so I had 2 more treatments. I had pleomorphic ILC (grade 2) which my onc said is more responsive than classical ILC to chemo.



    I also found that Kytril worked best for me as anti-nausea meds.



    I agree that the OncoDX test, in your case, would provide important information. I don't understand why insurance wouldn't pay, or why they would make you wait. I hope this gets worked out.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2008

    I'm not a big pill taker and didn't take my anti-nausea meds as I should have. I wasn't told to take them before I needed them. I'd wait until I felt sick and the pills couldn't get on top of the nausea. Take all the rx's offered for nausea and take them before tx. If I'd known that the experience would have been much better. Hugs and prayers for you.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2008

    I'm not a big pill taker and didn't take my anti-nausea meds as I should have. I wasn't told to take them before I needed them. I'd wait until I felt sick and the pills couldn't get on top of the nausea. Take all the rx's offered for nausea and take them before tx. If I'd known that the experience would have been much better. Hugs and prayers for you.

  • collector
    collector Member Posts: 193
    edited August 2008

    Thanks for these comments.  My oncotype is still not back and in the meantime I've gotten opinions from 2 different oncologists.  Both say that even if my score came back in the low risk range, they would still strongly encourage me to have 4 rounds of T/C.  They feel that the score ranges for the Oncotype test need to be adjusted downward and that for my personal cancer type, they would want me to cover as many bases as possible.  That made sense to me so I am now started for port placement on 5/14 and first chemo on 5/19.

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited May 2008

    Collector, I'm glad to hear you will be doing T/C, rather than A/C.  Somehow I missed the original post on this.

    I had 4 A/C and it was the first one that I really a lot @ it on here.  It's toxic to the heart and I'm going through a lot of test currently this month as a result.  There are a lot they don't tell you, but if you read you can find the info yourself.  T/C is the new and improved plan rather than A/C. Like someone said, A/C is cheaper.  Nothing like the newer ones of $3000.  In fact.  I was charged more for the onco to see me and listen to my heart before each tx (that's all he did for the visit), than for the drugs themselves.  I think the decadron and aloxi or what ever it was more than the A/C!  Nutty!  But I may be paying for it in the long run, if these tests prove anything :(

    So rest well in the T/C decisions and like someone said.  Take the meds Before you need them. At least for the first 2 days.  AFter that on the A/C I didn't need them normally.  Once maybe.  Kytril gave me horrendous headaches and dizziness if moved my eyes or head, but motrin did help that.  Compazine was given for IF I had breakthrough n/v before the next due time and that helped the first day.  The 3rd and 4th tx I switched to Zophran (Might be mispelled) and that helped without the Headaches and such. 

    Big thing....drink water (a lot) the day before, the day of and the day after if you can to stay hydrated and you'll fare much better and feel better!

    Good LUck!

  • collector
    collector Member Posts: 193
    edited August 2008

    Thanks, wishiwere.  But if I'm drinking all this water, will there be a bathroom handy?  I have visions of needing the facilities while hooked up to IVs and no rest room nearby.  I haven't done the chemo class yet so it's hard for me to picture the whole chemo routine and setting. 

  • LorenaB
    LorenaB Member Posts: 937
    edited May 2008

    Collector, my chemo drips were attached to a pole on wheels, so I could just wheel myself over to the bathroom.  Yesterday was my LAST A/C tx.  It hasn't been that terrible -- not fun but definitely doable.  I was given all the drugs the very first time and I haven't been all that nauseous, just a little bit queasy at times.  The first time they gave me zofran, which was very constipating.  The next three I had Aloxi by IV right before the chemo drugs, and it seemed to work a little bit better than the zofran for me (less quesy, not as constipating).

    I learned all about the potential s/es from the chemo boards on here.  My onco/nurses told me about some of them, but there are a lot of other ones that may crop up.  My worst was horrible acid indigestion/reflux -- since the second round I've been taking prescription meds for that and it's a lot better.  Also the constipation for the first few days, some body aches from the Neulasta, and of course the dreaded hair loss.  Weird ones for me: darkened skin on my hands and some brown spots on my forehead (probably photo-sensitivity from the chemo drugs, I should have been using sunscreen), swollen ankles after I walk, and a sort of heaviness in my legs.  I feel like an old lady sometimes - and I'm only 41!

    But like I said, it's doable, and so much better than all the terrifying chemo stories you hear from 10+ years ago.  Good luck to you! 

  • pdm
    pdm Member Posts: 168
    edited May 2008

    I just got done with AC and had a really hard time with low red and white cells to the point I was in the hospital and this time they wanted to do a transfusion...

    My question is I will be getting Abraxene..I think thats the spelling..does anyone know what the REAL side effects will be..they are telling me this will be very easy but I am really sensitive to any s/e there are..

    Any feed back is welcomed..

  • snowyday
    snowyday Member Posts: 1,478
    edited May 2008

    I wasn't told about weight gain, they give you sterioids before your chemo so you can accept the chemo better and boy did I gain roid weight.  I had FEC first and didn't gain any extra weight but when I started Docetaxol, Taxol they gave me triple the amount of steroids and the wieght just came, and my eating habits didn't change.  Also make sure you take something to prevent constipation before your chemo it gets really bad for some people.  I was told by the nurses it's also the steroids that make it happen.  Drink lots of water, never let your bladder become empty for long periods as you can get a UTI easliy as well, I just drank water all day, constant sipping and at bedtime I had a big glass of water there as well.  And my very last once warned me that day 4 to 7 after chemo is the worst for infection so really watch your temp, my hospital had a policy if it hits 100 get in.  Sleep as much as you can and use alot of lotion on your hands and feet.  I also ended up  with eye tearing so if that happens to you buy the eye drops that are just like tears and use it.  It's a pain in the ass but you get through some days are worse than others but if they recommend it you should have it.  Some people fly through it no problem maybe that will be you.  Oh and try stay active go for a walk everyday, or if you excerise now try keep it up you will feel better for it. Good luck 

  • snowyday
    snowyday Member Posts: 1,478
    edited May 2008

    Oh I forgot I didn't have bad nausea and that was my biggest fear before starting, so I took my nausea meds for four if I was or wasn't because a nurse said that once the nausea starts it's hard to stop it.

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