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  • mer1957
    mer1957 Member Posts: 534
    edited March 2008

    Tina, here's praying that your appraisal comes in good.  Those have been tough lately as they won't let you go back very far for comparables.  So I'll pray extra hard.  Be careful driving back.

    Caya, I love Eaton's - we always go there when we go to Toronto.  Toronto was one of our favorite getaways (bc - before college - or paying for it for our kids).

    We went to Ann Arbor today to help my nephew put an offer in on a house.  That was fun and then we had a lovely dinner at a restaurant called the Gandy Dancer.  Also DH surprised me and bought us a bedroom set.  It is being delivered Tuesday.  I guess he got the message with me being so in the dumps.  I hope I like it.  I'm going shopping tomorrow for some sheets and stuff. 

    My hip is still bothering me and I googled Tamoxifen and joint pain.  Even though the drs won't agree, there seems to be 10 to 15 percent of women who have this problem with the Tamoxifen.  The problem is worse with Arimidex and Femara, it seems.  Some have even stopped taking anything which I won't do.  I know I could get some Celebrex but that bothers my stomach.  I just hope it doesn't get worse.  Exercise seems to help - sitting is the worst. 

    Tina, DC sounds like so much fun.  You should get lots of visitors there too.  Just be prepared for some hot summers.  Is there a pool nearby your new house?  Hugs and prayers for all

  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited March 2008

    I am so glad that you had a nice time at the circus Tina!  I am not a big circus person either…in fact I am the kind of person who gets easily overstimulated, so I tend to stay away from large venue type things like the circus. We did take the kids to Barnum and Bailey once…and it was pretty  much a disaster…Mom and Dad overstimulated and grouchy, and the kids overstimulated and crazed, crying and confused.  OY.  Since then we have taken them to smaller circuses like Big Apple with better success J.  That kite festival sounds heavenly…they had a story on NPR this AM.  Hope that your trip back to Ohio is swift and uneventful!

     

    Good to hear from you Mel…I am sorry about the news regarding your Mom.  I am horrified that she never had a Dr suggest a colonoscopy with her family history…that is unconscionable.  My condolences on your dead keyboard…mine fried itself a few months ago…must be all the typing to you guys (picture flame-shrouded fingers, and smoke oozing from between the keys).   Oh and Mel…Cadbury eggs are just about the best chocolate on the planet…and they are only around for easter, and hard to find even then!  If you see some, grab them…YUMMY.

     

    Jan WOW on the rock climbing!  You are very brave.  I am sure that your strength and ability will come back swiftly…your body remembers what to do, you just have to shake off the last bits of that surgery and you will be BACK.

     

    Mary I am sorry to hear that your hip is still bothering you.  Have you spoken to your Dr about it just to make sure that everything is ok?

     

    Viddie I hope that your trip is going well.  I am sure that Meri will make the right decision about schools.

     

    Melia…thinking about you, and sending hugs your way as always

     

    Amera, I can not get your comment out of my head…I can not believe that your Dr does not do routine bloodwork at your visits.  Mine does it every time, although he does not believe in tumor markers or anything like that…he just does blood chemistry and some basic checks on liver, kidney and thyroid function.

     

     

    DH and I did some work around the house this weekend…we have a nice sized crawlspace that we have not been using effectively, mostly because the walls had exposed insulation, and it was filled with empty boxes from our move into this house (6 years ago or so….we did not think we would be here that long).  We figured it was time to ditch the boxes, and decided to kill two birds with one stone…lets just say that the exposed insulation is exposed no longer, and the walls now sport recycled wall coverings.  We saved some of the smaller boxes, because they are useful for a variety of things, but the rest of the boxes either got cut up for our town recycling program or incorporated into a rather cute shanty-town that suddenly appeared in my living room, but got relocated to the dining room.  The kids spend two days (so far) cutting, coloring and arranging their little houses…they have windows, trap doors and even beds inside (meanie mom and dad vetoed their desire to sleep in the boxes, because they are not THAT big). Ana had a friend come over to play today, and they built her a house too…which she then folded up and took home with her, much to her mom’s amusement.

     

    Owen has a really bad case of the “naughties” this weekend…my throat is actually sore from yelling at him.  I am not really sure what his problem is, but I suspect that most of his misbehavior stems from his absolute inability to inhibit his impulses.  I have been trying to be patient with him, and I frequently remind him that he must follow instructions and rules because he might either hurt himself or hurt someone else.  Of the three serious infractions today, TWO of them could potentially have resulted in injury to his sisters.  What is really sad is that he was told NOT to do precisely what he did exactly 30 seconds before he did it.  Absolutely infuriating.

     

    Well, that is about it for me…have to make dinner now.  You can be that I will be on the phone first thing tomorrow to try and get my reports from my Onc…I think I held it together pretty well this weekend, although I am sure that my effexor helped lol

  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited April 2008

    Wow, it's been quiet!  Just had to share this. I think I told you about a friend recently dx. She is having a really hard time of it. Her original dx was stage 3, then another doc said stage 2, then they thought they saw spots on her ribs so it was stage 4, now, after surgery, she's at 3b. Long story short, she started chemo last week (I couldn't believe they didn't wait a bit after the surgery) and I am sending her my old scarves.

    I went to the attic to get them to wash and iron and let me tell you, I got the strangest feeling seeing them. Some were still tied into a head covering shape. They are actually really pretty and I condsidered keeping a few. But ultimatley, I think they are better off with someone who can use them and will not feel sick at the sight of them. At least not until after she's done with treatment.

    But how's this for ya? I keep feeling really strange about sending them. Is it good karma to share? Tempting fate to give them away? Good lord, they're just scarves, but really, they are so much more than that, know what I mean? You girls can surely relate.

    Some of them were given to me by a two time survivor. UGH!  I kinda, sorta wish I'd kept them in the attic. On the one hand, last year seems like a lifetime ago. But seeing those damn scarves brought me right back. And of course, this is my scan/appt month. I am already getting anxious. I suppose this will be the way it is every 6 months for a while though. This sucks!

    So nice to have others understand.

    Amera (hoping this yuck feeling goes away soon)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2008

    Amera - it's good karma for sure. I gave my scarves to a friend who was diagnosed after I was finished with chemo. I did keep just a few of my favorites because I was afraid to give them all away. Like you, some of them had been given to me. I felt good passing them on. The few I kept are tucked away in the back of a drawer that I avoid opening.

  • TPPJ
    TPPJ Member Posts: 1,017
    edited April 2008

    Amera, I know that feeling.  I have all these gorgeous scarves and I don't want to part with them, yet I can't bear to put them on.  I have a to die for (almost! :) silk Coach one I treated myself too but I now feel like a gypsy w/them on.  All I need are the big gold hoops to complete the look.  I hear you on being paranoid about tempting fate, too, by parting w/them.  I've had that feeling too.

    Shanty town sounds great, R.  My cousins and I used to play under my grandmothers dining room table.  We'd take just about EVERYTHING out of her bedroom and set up shop under one of the four quadrants under the table and we'd set up our "genie bottle" apartments.  This is during the I Dream of Jeannie era.  I can't believe the mess she let us make.  She was never much of a housekeeper, so she didn't really care, but we went crazy.  We'd take every fancy perfume bottle, vase, whatever...  some of my best memories though.

    Mary, I think my appraisal should be fine as the tax rolls have it at $470 and I sold for $465.  The new house has a community pool four doors down.  It's perfect.  And I really have little to zero yard, so not much yardwork either.  Good for me as I have a bad enough time handling inside. 

    Oh, and Rebecca, you did FABULOUS at holding it together this weekend.  Pat yourself on the back.

  • TPPJ
    TPPJ Member Posts: 1,017
    edited April 2008

    PS...my buyer came over today and wanted to buy lots of stuff in my house, which is great as it cuts down on what I have to move.  She wants a lot of framed art, iron wall pieces, some glass coffee/end tables...

  • Caya
    Caya Member Posts: 971
    edited April 2008

    Tina - that is great about your buyer wanting to buy alot of your stuff - less for you to pack and schlep.  And then you get to buy fresh new things.

    Amera - I have a superstition about my wigs - I have them up in my closet - along with all my little caps and scarves, out of sight - I don't know, I just have this feeling that if I keep them, I will not have a recurrence .  You know, you don't need them, so why tempt fate?  I know it's a bit silly, maybe when I'm past the 2 year mark which is considered critical for Her2+ cancers, I will  relax more.

    Rebecca - any news?  For some reason I think I am not getting your posts on the private group.  I hope all is well.  Love the stories about your kids and their activities.  Owen is a hoot. My girls used to love building forts out of cartons too.

    Mary - the Eaton's chain of department stores in Canada closed up over 5 years ago.  The Eaton Centre in downtown Toronto is still called that, but there is no longer an Eaton store there.  The two big department store chains in Canada are the Hudson Bay Co. (The Bay) and Sears.  Neither are as nice as the US department stores like Nordstroms, Macy, Dillards etc.  I very rarely go in them to clothes shop.

    Very quiet here. We took out my BFF and her hubby for dinner on Saturday night to an upscale Greek restaurant. Yesterday we kind of laid low, went to my MIL for dinner.  I have been very tired a bit achy since my Herceptin infusion on Thursday.  I'm so thankful that I have only 2 infusions left.

  • TPPJ
    TPPJ Member Posts: 1,017
    edited April 2008

    Caya, I had not heard that the 2 year mark was so critical for HER2'ers.  Interesting.  My BS said there is no official date as to when you begin counting...  after surgery, after chemo, after herceptin?

    It seems odd that more US stores haven't set up shop in Canada.  It's so close, easy to get to...

  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited April 2008

    I hear you guys on the scarves...I keep some of my favorites on a hanger on the back of my closet door.  I keep thinking I will wear one on a bad hair day, but I too feel like a gypsy.  I have the rest of them folded into a large shoebox and tucked deeeeeeeep under my bed.

    well, I got the formal all clear from my onc yesterday afternoon.  He confirmed that the bone scan was normal, and my bloodwork was ok except for one of my liver enzymes that was very slightly elevated. He said that since the other liver enzymes were normal, and it was not really that high (normal is 37, mine was 41, and it does not become worrisome unless it goes above 50) it was unlikely to be anything of concern. We are going to re-do the bloodwork at my next visit.  In fact, my estradiol is now in the high normal range...down from the ridiculously high number I got the last time it was tested.  I guess my body is finally readjusting and getting back "into whack" after being out of whack for so long.  cool!  now all I need to do is get those *$#@ periods under control......yeck

    ok, feeding time at the zoo..have to get the kids fed and off to school!

    Caya, have you checked your spam folder for the private list messages?  They might be getting flagged as spam.

    HUGS to all of you! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2008

    Rebecca - I'm so thrilled that you have the official all clear. Did your doc have any idea what IS causing your back pain/tingling?

  • Caya
    Caya Member Posts: 971
    edited April 2008

    Rebecca - Yay on the all clear!!  I wouldn't worry about that slightly elevated liver enzyme either... and Jan poses a good question - does the doc have any idea what is causing the back pain/tingling?  Has it improved at all.  Might be time to go see a chiropractor if you don't have much improvement.

    Tina - I think the standard of counting how far "out" you are is from your surgery date - My mast. (and Jan's) was Dec. 18/2006 - so I will be 2 years out this Dec.  -  and believe me I wish a few of the US dept. stores would set up here - there were rumours a few years ago that Bloomingdale's was interested, but nothing came of it.  I mean we have alot of the chain stores now like The Gap, Old Navy, Linens 'n Things, Bath Bed and Beyond, Hollister, Abercrombie and Fitch etc.  My girls are dying for Victoria's Secret up here, we have La Senza, but it's doesn't compare.

  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited April 2008

    My onc did not offer any explanation for my tingling back.  It is not getting worse, but it is not getting better, either.  I am not going to worry about it for now because it is not debhilitating, and quite honestly now that we have ruled out cancer in my spine as a cause of it I am not as bothered by it.

    Just back from class...Owen is whiney because he did not get to eat junkfood with the rest of his classmates for lunch (they were serving as I got there) so I better dish up some chow for him pronto.... 

  • Lynn12
    Lynn12 Member Posts: 1,008
    edited April 2008

    Hi Ta Ta's,

    Rebecca, yay on the all clear! whew! 

    I have all my scarves packed away in a 'cancer box' in the basement.  I put all my books, scarves, etc. in the box after I finished treatment.  I figure that someday I'll know someone who will need those things..although I would love it if I never had to give it away.

    We're back from NYC and had a great time!  Lion King was fabulous!  Ally really liked it too. We spent 2 hours in 6 different lines to get to the top of the Empire State Building only to spend about 15 minutes outside because it was sooo cold and windy, just to get in line AGAIN to go back down..ugh!  We then spent the rest of the day shopping and eating.  We ate lunch at Bubba Gump Shrimp...Ally liked that.

    I'm sorry I have not been responding to the ta ta emails.  I must admit that I have not read them all.  I get sooooo many work emails every day and silly as it is, I find it harder to open/read every email than it is to read on this board.  I just can't keep track.  So hugs to everyone that needs one, and congrats to everyone that deserves one!

    love and hugs,

    Lynn

  • jonimb
    jonimb Member Posts: 900
    edited April 2008

    Hello all,

    I had a bad day at the oncologist today.  It appears my liver mets has really gone crazy, and the worst thing is that I have to go back on chemo.

    I will be getting a port installed next week, and then I have 8 treatments of Taxol / Gemcitabine.  I have been very upset for most of the day.  My doctor is such a sweet man, but the truth is he has a very tough job when he has to tell a Stage IV that there is no cure, and we have to be vigilant with any progression.

    I know a few of you did Taxol, so if you can give me any tips I would sure appreciate it.

    Lynn, you had better get another room mate for LV, as I doubt I would be able too go now.

    hugs to all...Joni

  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited April 2008

    UGH Joni. That just, well, there isn't a word that fits. I am so sorry to hear you'll have to go through another bout of chemo. I didn't do Taxol but I imagine that doing it at a different time rather than right after AC has got to be some easier.

    There may be no cure, but darnit, there is treatment. Silver lining?

    Here are some big cyber hugs for you. Damn cancer.

    Amera

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2008

    Joni that just stinks. I'm sorry to hear it. I didn't have Taxol. What is Gemcitabine? What are the side effects? I'm so sorry you have to deal with chemo again. I hate cancer.

  • Lynn12
    Lynn12 Member Posts: 1,008
    edited April 2008

    Oh Joni, I am sooo sorry you have progression, I can't stop my tears!  I hate cancer! 

    I didn't do taxol either. I did do taxotere, which is related, but did it along with cytoxan, so I don't know which side effects were from which drug.  I'm so sorry you have to do chemo again, but if it stops the progression, then that's a good thing!

    I am sending you huge cyber hugs!  I love you and hate that this is happening to you!

  • Rebecca
    Rebecca Member Posts: 971
    edited April 2008

    Oh Joni I am beyond words.  Please consider yourself enfolded in a loving embrace.

  • TPPJ
    TPPJ Member Posts: 1,017
    edited April 2008

    Joni, I have the same sentiments as everyone else.  I do believe you'll get this under control with this next round of tx.  I did Taxol.  It was cumulatively tiring.  I didn't get tired until round 7 or so.  I did...OMG.  I can't remember.  This must be like having a baby...you forget the bad parts.  I think I did 12.  Yes, that was it.  I haven't heard of that G drug, but I'm going to google.

    I know you're having one of the hardest days of your life, but I promise you, you'll feel good and happy again.  Human nature doesn't allow us to stay down for too long, thank God.  You are a fighter, you LIVE life and you will continue to do so.  Don't rule out Vegas so soon, Joni...  I think you'll make it.  XOXO  Love, T

  • TPPJ
    TPPJ Member Posts: 1,017
    edited April 2008

    Joni,

    Taxol mainly just made me tired but not sick.  Hair loss isn't a give w/it either.  Just googled the other drug and here's the good news:

    Gemcitabine represents an advance in pancreatic cancer care. It is also not as debilitating as other forms of chemotherapy.

  • dkmaustx
    dkmaustx Member Posts: 363
    edited April 2008

    Joni, I had 4 cycles of Taxol after I had the 4 cycles of A/C. I don't know what Gemcitabine is either. In some ways Taxol was easier on my body, but it had some new not so fun SEs. I took folic acid and L-Glutamine from the Dana-Faber Neuropathy regimen to counteract the neuropathy I had.

    Add my hugs to the others.

  • luckymel
    luckymel Member Posts: 643
    edited April 2008

    Joni, hugs and more hugs to you, dear sister.  I am so sorry you are facing chemo again, but mets must be taken care of, and of course you will do it with your usual spirit and grace.  And you will succeed.  We all know there is no cure for stage IV now, but you will beat it into submission again, and hopefully keep it there until there is a cure.  As Tina said, you LIVE life, and you will continue to do so.  You are allowed to wallow today - you've had a blow.  I am devastated for you, we all are, but I also know that that fabulous spirit will carry you through.  I also echo Tina's sentiments on Vegas.  I think you need to plan to come - we all need to have you there - so don't give up on the trip.

    I had Taxol, 12 weekly treatments, and I got progressively more tired as it progressed, but no nausea.   I did get neuropathy toward the end, and although I knew it was happening, I wanted to be sure I got all the treatment I could, and I was also really into being a good soldier, so I never told my oncologist until the last week.  As a result, I probably have more pain now than was necessary.  He would have decreased my dosage a bit to decrease the neuropathy if I had only told him the truth instead of trying to win points for good attitude.  That's my only tip.  It wasn't that bad  -  you can do it. 

    We love you.

  • luckymel
    luckymel Member Posts: 643
    edited April 2008

    Lynn, I'm glad you said something.  I was going to say something tonight anyway, but now I know I'm not the only one.

    I think the emails are great for things that we really don't want to be read by anyone else, but I really miss "US" on the boards.  I find that I lose the sense of continuity when I can't scroll back and forth between all the messages, see who said what when, look at the avatars, etc.  I find opening all the emails more of a chore, and I simply cannot save all of them, so I delete and they are lost.  It's just my opinion (and Lynn's, it seems), but I would like to suggest that we consider coming back here to keep in touch, except for trip related things, or personal things that are definitely not for public viewing.

    One bit of news here - my PS's nurse called me yesterday with the news that the PS has decided to be out of town the week of May 19, when my surgery is scheduled.  I can either have my surgery a week earlier or a week later.  The decision is complicated by my mom's situation.  I found out today that she didn't even HAVE a colonoscopy last week like she told me, she just had a barium enema!  They will do a colonoscopy Tuesday, which means they won't have the path report till Friday, which means they won't even decide what they will do with her until the next week, probably.  I may need to be there, and if I need to go it will have to be before my surgery rather than after.  What to do....

  • Caya
    Caya Member Posts: 971
    edited April 2008

    Joni - I am so sorry about the progression - but it sounds like you and your onc. are right on top of it - Please know that we are all thinking of you, pulling for you every step of the way.

    And don't rule out Vegas just yet - I know today is not a good one, but you have to be one of the most vibrant women out there - you will bounce back.

    xoxo Caya

  • IowaCindy
    IowaCindy Member Posts: 341
    edited April 2008

    Ahhh, Joni.....I'm with the others, holding you close and sending so much love. I'm so sorry that you have another battle to endure. But you will - endure that is. We won't quit pushing you along when you need, encouraging you to rest, being your sounding board.

    Hang on, Joni. Or let go....we'll catch you.

    Cindy 

  • IowaCindy
    IowaCindy Member Posts: 341
    edited April 2008

    Hi, gang.

    My out of town brother is here visiting on his way home to Duluth Minnesota after wintering in Arizona.He hasn't been with family for the holidays for more than 12 years so tomorrow night we're having our family Christmas dinner.

    I pulled out some decorations and gussied up the dining room. I'll start two crock pots of turkey and noodles in the AM before I head off to a half day of work. I've chopped veggies tonight so starting the turkey and noodles won't be difficult. I've got to find my favorite Christmas music to play.

    I'm not sure how many are coming. About 14 I think. It will be fun to have everyone together.

    So I'll be absent for a few days until dinner is over and I've gotten the house cleaned up again.

    Everyone, be well! 

    Cindy

    PS At work today I dealt with a woman in her 70s - lung cancer mets to bone/liver/brain. We share the same onc. and rad.onc. I offered her encouragement and we admitted her for a rehab spell after a hospitalization. She's delightful.

    She laughed when I told her "Don't forget to keep your big girl panties on!" 

  • meliaanne
    meliaanne Member Posts: 682
    edited April 2008

    Joni, Our sweet girl. I did 12 taxols after my a/c. I was very tired by the end, but the neuropathy that developed in my fingers and toes is pretty much gone, entirely gone in my fingers, just a tad of numbness in my toes. The edema was the biggest issue but enough lasix (120 mg) did the trick. It didn't make me feel low grade fluish like the ac did.

    Fight, Joni. Cry tonight, hang onto Dan, but fight tomorrow. This is, for all of us, a chronic illness. Some sooner than later, but it's chronic. You are in a bad spell, but fight, and be there when others of us need to fight.

    Hugs and Prayers,

    Melia

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2008

    Mel - I can't believe your surgery may be delayed again! It must be both disappointing and frustrating. You've waited for so long.

    Joni - Melia said it perfectly: "Fight, Joni. Cry tonight, hang onto Dan, but fight tomorrow. This is, for all of us, a chronic illness. Some sooner than later, but it's chronic. You are in a bad spell, but fight, and be there when others of us need to fight."

    Cindy enjoy your Christmas dinner - it sounds like a lot of fun!

  • Caya
    Caya Member Posts: 971
    edited April 2008

    Tina - Great that your Ohio onc. referred you to a DC onc.  How's the packing going?   I am so excited for you - this will be a nice fresh start for your lovely family in a great city.

    Cindy - love the idea of Xmas dinner in April - hey - why not?   Enjoy.

    xo Caya

  • skyedivine
    skyedivine Member Posts: 839
    edited April 2008

    Hey Ta tas,

    I'm back, it was an amazing five days and so much fun not to have to cook, clean, or write anything at all. Once I got my speech out of the way it felt like vacation. Of course now I am flooded with catch up work and email up the wazoo. I've tried to read all the posts but will just answer quickly here.



    Joni, our dear friend, you know we are with you every step of the way. I did the Taxol, and it does make you very tired but not so toxic as the AC. My nurse staff gave me a handout sheet recommending a daily regimen of glutamine (available at Wal-Mart in the health food area) mixed into juice or fruit drink to help reduce neuropathy and possibly conserve toenails and fingernails, and while they don't guarantee results, I didn't lose any nails. I'll see if I can find the exact dosage if you are interested. It also gives incentive to take a few more fluids which is also good. Please bring someone with you for the first session because some people have allergic reactions, and also the Benadryl they give you with it makes some people too groggy to drive home. My neighbor always took me back and forth because I'm affected that way. I know you can do this if I, super-wimp, could do it. Just prepare to sleep a lot. It will be over before you know it.



    Rebecca, I'm so relieved and happy your back thingey came out clear. And cases of the naughties are normal with little boys Owen's age. Otherwise he would be a Stepford child. :-)



    There are so many others I'd like to answer (my scarves are in a box put away but I'd give them away in a heartbeat) but must go to bed, I'm up way too late. But Caya, that was a scream of a dream and I am sure that is exactly how we will be when we meet. Night night all - Skye

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