wife gone alternative
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hello- my name is darryl p. and i am new to this site, and hope someone can help me, and maybe my dialogue can help someone else. i am a 43 y.o. american male, and live in prague, czech republic, with my wife(Slovak,32 y.o.), and daughter(4months). in november, while 7 3/4 mos. pregnant, my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer in the left breast. labour was induced a month early, so my wife could begin more testing and treatment. the baby is fine and healthy.
the initial test results were, what i would consider, at least, "not bad" news, considering the seriousness of the situation. no cancer was detected in blood, bones, or organs, and the categorization was T2 N1(maybe 0), and M0. she received 3 rounds of chemo(doxorubicin and cyclophosphomide), which greatly shrank the tumor, but, of course, came with typical side effects-hair loss, nausea, and many others.
then surgery(partial lumpectomy) was performed. the tumor was so small, the doctor's had trouble locating it. they said the surrounding tissue appeared healthy. also, because she is such a high-risk case(cancer during pregnancy), 2 whole groups of lymph nodes were removed from the affected side. histology reports on the nodes came back, thankfully, negative.the oncologist recommended more chemo, taxol, followed by radiation.
my wife is refusing both these recommendations, and must, if she hasn't already, sign a paper at the hospital, releasing them from liability for her going against their advice. my wife, instead, is pursuing alternative therapies, mostly things learned from the internet, in addition to visiting a psychic, who referred her to a healer, whose opinion seems important to my wife. some of the fears my wife has of more chemo and radiation are: loss of fertility, nerve and heart damage, immune system depletion, and many more.
the main component, but by no means only, of my wife's alternative strategy, revolves around the Budwig Protocol(BP), of which, the basis seems to be flax seed and cottage cheese. i certainly am not against any seemingly good alternative avenues, including the usual improvements in diet, exercise, spiritual well-being, etc, but i feel strongly that the doctors' recommendations should not be abandoned, and that any alternative activity should be used to complement traditional treatments.
now my question- does anyone have any experience with Budwig Protocol, or heard anything about it first-hand, good or bad? any input or shared experience would be very much appreciated. thank you very much. sincerely, darryl p -
Darryl,
I hope someone can come along and post to your question! I can not but think you are a wonderful husband and you have to understand alot of times it is harder on the loved ones, of the cancer patient then it is on the patient.
I agree with you that alternative is good to explore but combine that with the conventional and listen to your doctor's. There is no right or wrong but you have to go with the treatments that have been proven to Help/not cure sometimes.
I wish you the best of luck and hope someone else can give you a better insight to your current situation!
Best of Luck!
Daniella
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Welcome to the board Darryl, you came to the right place. I'm sure others here can give you better advice than I can, all I can say is "wow". I'm so sorry you and your wife are going through this, especially during what should be such a joyful time. I've never heard of the Budwig protocol but am concerned as are you that rejected proven therapies (chemo/radiation) in exchange for unproven ones is not a good treatment plan.
It sounds as if your wife's first experience with her first chemo may have caused the upset that led her to reject the rest of the doctor's recommendations. Has she always had an interest in less known alternative therapies (ie. not what I would consider "standard" alternative therapies such as acupuncture, which are often recommended by mainstream doctors)? Or is this an "out of the blue" sort of thing?
My experience with Taxol and radiation is that they were much less debilitating than AC (the chemo your wife had), although I have to say that the overall cumulative effect at the end was not fun. Although there some risk of nerve damage with Taxol, it usually reverses itself after treatment. (My brother had very extensive treatment w/Taxol and other drugs that did cause temporary but very debilitating nerve damage, two years later he has almost completely recovered). My understanding is that heart disease can be a concern with AC chemo but not with Taxol or radiation. And while you should certainly consult an expert about fertility issues, my understanding is that further treatment will not affect any effects that have already accumulated.
One thing that may help is to look at adjunctive.com (I think that's the right website) which gives statistics on the effectiveness of different forms of treatment in different situations. I think it will show that completing chemo. and radiation will give your wife a substantial boost in her survival.
Speaking with others she respects - family, a religious figure, even another psychic or healer who has had success with traditional medicine.
In the end you could even suggest to her that she HAS to finish treatment for the sake of your daughter, if nothing else.
I wish I could be more helpful but I think it is vitally important for your wife to continue chemo/radiation in addition to, if she wants, alternative therapies. It sounds as if she has a very good prognosis and you want to keep it that way! I'm sure that others will weigh in her as well.
All the best,
Kerry
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Darryl,
I posted your message on the Alternative, Complementry, Holistic thread.
I hope someone there can help you.
Good Luck,
Valerie
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Hi Darryl,
Sorry your family is going through this. Cancer is a lousy thing to happen to anyone. I was wondering if your wife knows what type of tumor she has -- I mean what grade.. and whether it is estrogen/progesterone positive or HER 2 positive. I'm betting from the type of treatment the doc is recommending that it might be HER 2 positive. That type of tumor is more aggressive and is associated with a poorer prognosis. It tends to hit younger women. You can Google HER 2 and learn all about it. I'm in my 30s too and my tumor is HER 2 positive. Mine was small (1.5 cm) and lymph node negative. But I am doing 8 rounds of chemo (4 AC, 4 Taxol) and 21 rounds of radiation followed by a year of Herceptin. My oncologist recommended all this due to the aggressive nature of my type of tumor and my age. Chemo is no picnic, but I have 2 young children and I want to do everything to make sure I attack this cancer so it NEVER comes back.
Re: Budwig Protocol - I have never heard of it, but I have to say a treatment based on flax and cottage cheese seems inadequate to beat cancer. My two cents.
Best of luck at this difficult time.
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thanks for all the comments! i'll be posting more when i finish my all-consuming job in a couple of days. lisa- i know my wife is estrogen negative, don't know about the her?. we weren't given a grade of tumor i don't think. valerie- thanks for posting my post in another category. i'm not very chat room savvy, but working on it.
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sorry to hear about your situation. I don't know about the BP however I can tell you that my naturalpathic doctor, who I started seeing after treatment,told me to stop taking Flaxseed oil capsules because they have an affect your hormones.
Jackie
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Darryl,
A lady on WEBMD - breast cancer friend to friend message board follows the BP and has written some lengthly posts about it. Not advertising the site, just sharing a resource.
Wishing your little family all the best; I'm sure this is a very difficult time for you. Hang in there Darryl, you sound like you're one of the good ones.
Cheers,
NED.
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hi ned, if you don't mind, where exactly on webmed can i find the info you referred to, with the posts on BP? thanks a lot! darryl
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hi darryl,
first of all i think u r a sweet
husband for doing all this research and concern for your wife. i know it can make u feel nuts, but good for u. she is a lucky lady to have u in her life. I was doing treatment and stopped...in the mist of it. I decided to nothing, while i researched a little more and stopped and listened to what my body was telling me. I was scared of the chemo too, and these alternative things to me sound so tempting and I feel drawn to it. I did decide to start treatment again...after I did more soul searching, I realized i would be abandoning myself not to TRY what was obviously responding. I think of the future and I would hate to suddenly go down hill...doing alternative things only,,,to find out its to late to do traditional medicine. that is my story and I don;t know if it will help you at all. I don;t have the "right " answer for you. and to tell you the truth, i can understand her. She is scared and overwhelmed by what the chemo...can do. I wish and pray for your wife to have peace in her journey, whatever she chooses. I will pray for u and your family...this is a tough one. But I wont to let you know...your fist letter is from the heart out of desperate concern,,,and i feel u, God Bless u all,
peace, Divine
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HI. You sound like such a wonderful husband. I'm blessed with a great husband too. I can feel your pain in your words. My husband was ( and is ) afraid of losing me. I don't really know anything about that protocol. I think good nutrition is key to our continued good health. I personally had similar treatment as your wife with AC (and then taxol -- I had radiation too. And double mastectomy. )
I'm a mom with young children and I had to weigh out what to do through much time, reseach, prayer, advice and coming on the boards here. But, I had four positive nodes so that is different from your wife's case. I didn't have much side effects from taxol or rads. ( so far)
I personally think that alternative medicine has things to offer us too. I now try to eat organic, exercise religiously, and take some supplements. Hopefully someone here with have more answers for ya. I just wanted to let you know I'll be thinking of you all and hoping for peace with all these tough decisions.
Blessings,
Wendy
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Darryl, http://www.webmd.com/community/boards scroll down to "Cancer" and you will see "Breast Cancer Friend to Friend". When the page loads, there's a search function close to the top. Do a search on "LizzardLee" and you'll get a few pages of posts you'll have to read through to find BP info, but it is there.
All the best,
NED
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Did your wife have the oncotype dx test? why the recommendation for more chemo? and has she rec'd a 2nd opinion?
With that dx, I too would question the need for more chemo.
I didn't think rads were indicated if you had NO nodes positive and had done chemo.... But I'm not a doc, if it were my life, I would go look it up on the NCCN decision making tree, and on adjuvant online. And figure out what the standard of care recommendations were, and what the stats were, and go from there.
Also, I'm one who receives naturopathic care, and my naturopath was the one who convinced me to do chemo.
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Darryl, the oncotype dx test is only valid for tumors that are estrogen-positive, but you said your wife was estrogen-negative.
Also, I believe radiation is standard with lumpectomy, regardless of whether chemo is given or not. It is the treatment that has made survival rates equivalent for lumpectomy and mastectomy.
As Lisa39 said, if your wife's cancer was HER2-neu positive, that may be the reason that more chemo is being recommended, because HER2-neu indicates an aggressive cancer. Doctors might also be recommending chemo because she is "triple-negative" (negative for estrogen, progesterone and HER2-neu receptors) -- estrogen-positive women can take tamoxifen or aromatase inhibitors, HER2-neu women can take herceptin -- but there aren't any such therapies yet for "triple-negative" cancers, there is only chemo. Triple-negative cancers can also be aggressive, but they can be very responsive to chemo.
Enough of that stuff for now, I'm sure!
I'm so sorry your wife and you are having to go through this -- please keep us posted, and know that both of you are in my thoughts and prayers.
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Darryl, my wife chose the naturopathic route, and I chose to support her 100% as it is her choice, not mine, to make. My wife did her research, and came up with a treatment that has been succesful for 1.5 years and counting. She had a mastectomy, and chose the "natural" route. We have our website, where she has a write up of what happened to her, and how she made her decision, along with what she is currently doing.
http://www.unwraptheribbon.com/
Erick and Lynda Carpenter
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hello everyone- thank you so very much for taking the time and effort to respond to my queries. your insight and support is much appreciated, and i hope to be able to return it in kind. i wish there was time to respond to each of you individually.
i think the reason for the adjuvant chemo is that because my wife is in an extremely high-risk category(cancer during pregnancy), and the radiation prescribed, as was already stated by another poster, is, seemingly, standard procedure after a partial lumpectomy. i also forgot to mention in my original post that the histology report from the tumor that was removed from the breast was good, with the cells being well-differentiated, and the surrounding tissue appearing healthy. also, 2nd opinions were sought from other oncologists who had the same basic opinions of the primary doctors. my wife has been privvy to all these postings, and i think the support was beneficial. thanks everyone! don't know how things will go of course, but hoping for the best. darryl
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