close friend has brain mets..help wth coping please!

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close friend has brain mets..help wth coping please!

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  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited March 2008

    I have a good friend who is stage 4 bc. I'm a survivor myself but that's just it..I'm surviving. Have not had recurrence or mets though have had a few scares since I met her and she has always been so supportive despite what she is going through now.

    I cannot possibly understand what she has had to experience...WBR...and the pain that she is suffering from today. We are waiting for her next visit with her doctor. There is a chance that she may get more treatment and there is a chance that they may say there is nothing more they can do. She's triple neg...like I am.

    I am in touch with her daily either by text messaging or phone calls and I see her when I can..she lives far from me. I was just there and she has told me several times that it makes her smile when I'm there face to face but I can't go daily...it's too hard on me emotionally and it's too time consuming as I need to continue in my own life.

    I guess I'm wondering..just what can I do? Or maybe I just need some assurance that I'm doing the best I can despite that I don't see her on a more regular basis. She told me this morning that if I don't hear from her and I am worried, to call her sister. She has told me this before. I just feel that if I start calling her sister, then I will move out of denial that she is just not going to make it. I still feel like she is when I hear her cheery voice on the phone.

    Very hard for me. Anyone else been through this and can help me ease my mind a bit..that I'm doing what I can? I guess I just need that assurance

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited March 2008

    (((((RavDeb))))))

    I definitely think you are doing everything you can.  I also think this may be one of the things your friend is telling you, by saying you can call her sister.  Think of the oxygen mask instructions from the flight attendant on a plane: if you're traveling with someone who needs assistance, PUT YOUR OWN MASK ON FIRST.  You have to take care of yourself in order to be available to help anyone else.

    I'm sorry you are going through this difficult time.  It is painful for anyone to see a loved one failing, plus it reminds anyone of their own mortality -- but on top of it, you and your friend have a similar disease, so you do have far more than the usual very painful and stressful feelings.

    Hugs and prayers,

    Ann

  • anniee
    anniee Member Posts: 163
    edited March 2008

    You are her kind, dear friend, so the natural feeling is to want to do more because sadly, there is nothing you can do to fix this... In my humble opinion, I think she didnt tell you that your cheery face makes her feel better so that you could come more often, I think she just wants you to know that you ARE helping. I'm sure your friend knows how hard this is for you, maybe thats why she told you that you could call her sister...so you wont fear losing contact if she gets sicker...I know if my friend were that sick I would want constant updates...and if your friend were to lose contact, I'm sure you will want to know how she is doing, no mattter what...

    I know that part of what you are feeling may be "survivors guilt"....

    I feel it just because my lump was b9 and most here are not....

    your friend who loves you doesnt want you to feel this way...

    I have a close friend who has lost two daughters, (infant and 16 year old), her husband is dying, and her eleven year old son has just been diagnosed with the same illness that has taken the rest of her children....she tries to cheer everyone else up...and I feel so guilty that my children are healthy...should I feel this way?

    Survivors guilt stinks, please try to let that part go, and not rob you of your friendship....I know this is very difficult and complex, just wanted to try to cheer you up a bit....your a great friend...hang in there.....Anniee

  • Calico
    Calico Member Posts: 1,108
    edited March 2008

    Deb,

    I think you are being a superb friend and being there for her is the best....listening and talking.

    And take care of yourself too.

    Can't imagine being in your shoes right now....this disease sucks so bad....friends lose friends, families losing loved ones....

    God Bless

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited March 2008

    Thank you all so much. This is perhaps one of the most difficult times in my life. I, myself, have had terrible headaches and went for all the tests but they haven't found anything. It is most likely tension. But, while I was doing this, she was asking me all the time..even in her weakest moments..about MY tests. And in spite of it all, I told her I was fine. But she keeps asking me about my headaches...feel so guilty that my headaches are NOTHING compared to her fear.

    You have all touched the points I am feeling.

    I have text messaged her this morning and I called her sister but her sister didn't answer her phone so I had to leave a message. Now I'm worried but maybe she is just busy and didn't hear it. Hope that's all it is.

    I could call her daughter or her husband but if they are both doing what they normally do...work and school..then I'd be bothering them and worrying them...

    Such a fine line...

    She knows it's difficult for me to visit with her regularly but she said to me that she understands this but whenever I can, she wants me to come. She said that even if she falls asleep, she wants me to sit by her. She is sooo scared.

    I am busily keeping busy, if that makes sense. When there is a lull in the day I play sudoku or paint (I dabble in art). My newest project is going to be a reflection on what she has said to me most recently. I don't know if she will ever see what I am working on because it takes me a long time to work on these things.

    Thank you so much for your support and kind words. I never thought I'd be using the boards in this way...I'm so in denial... 

    I'm editing... her sister called me back. My friend is in the hospital. Yesterday she couldn't get up at all..turns out she needs IV for an array of things that she is missing in her body and nobody was listening to her when she was complaining of all kinds of things. Her sister is furious. At least she is being cared for now. I hope she gets through this episode. She's so weak she can't talk to anyone or do anything. I'm so worried...

  • Hattie
    Hattie Member Posts: 414
    edited March 2008

    I'm sorry, ravdeb.



    You are doing what you can and being a good friend. I bet she loves your texting and your voice on the phone--those things say you are there, you care, she is not alone.



    Hopefully this IV will help her be more comfortable.



    This is kind of perverse but another woman in the same boat told me, "You didn't really think you were immortal, did you?" Well, maybe, or maybe not thinking about it at all made me feel like it. Her saying this was actually a relief to me. somehow it helped me accept that death is a natural part of life and I have less fear of it, for myself or for loved ones (altho it hasn't helped with the loss and sadness).



    Being alive now is what counts for me, making contact when I can, staying connected.



    It's incredibly tough times.



    Take care,

    --Hattie

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited March 2008

    Thank you Hattie.

    She actually called me a while later after I had spoken to her sister. She said that she was angry with her doctors and yelled at them (good sign she has strength for that!). She said that physically she's a wreck but otherwise doing okay. Her son was with her at the time and was appreciating her sense of humor.

    So..I really hope the IV puts her back to where she was before. Her sister feels that she is stable now.

    Hard times... Sad story. Death is a part of life but she just turned 54 and should have many more years to live and shouldn't have to suffer so much.

    I wake up each morning and am almost afraid to make the calls to see how she is doing....

  • Hattie
    Hattie Member Posts: 414
    edited March 2008

    ravdeb, I know women with brain mets who have moved, remodelled their homes, traveled the world, worked, taken up new hobbies--they've had ups and downs and set backs and good days too--it ain't over 'til it's over. I have other friends and relatives with other health issues and they bounced back from the brink unexpectedly. We don't know so take it one day at a time with your friend and try not to fear or predict the end. Easy to suggest from over here...



    Take care,

    --Hattie

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited March 2008

    Hattie..this is true but she continues to have progression in her lungs and they are suspicious it may have spread to other places..they aren't sure..saw some shadows here and there. She doesn't cope well with the chemo and she's triple neg so there isn't much choice. I'm not seeing the end in sight..didn't really mean that. Just a lot of aggravating discomfort on her part that she emotionally has a very hard time with.

    Just called her and her dh answered and said she'd call me back. Sounds like she had little sleep last night. She's in pain. Not sure..will wait and talk to her later.

    Thanks for the support!

  • dunner1
    dunner1 Member Posts: 49
    edited March 2008

    Dear Ravdeb- I just wanted to pipe in and say I can soooo relate to your story! I had a dear friend who was diagnosed right after me. I made it and she didn't from this terrible disease. I was there to support her in anyway that I could and you are doing the same for your friend. Bless you. Her just knowing that you are there for her spiritually or in person must be so comforting to her. Prayer is also the one thing we can do at any time of day. I will pray for your friend in hopes that she is free of pain and the IV brings her back to the way she was. You are one special person and you ARE doing all that you can do. Give yourself a hug! Take Care- Dunner

  • Missjaq
    Missjaq Member Posts: 69
    edited March 2008

    Ravdeb, I have the same situation. My dear friend Peg has battled stage 4 the past 5 years,probably 8 years. She lives 6 hours from me. She bought a condo on the beach in my building so I have been able to spend a lot of time with her between treatments over these years. This past year her progression has made that impossible. Although we spoke on the phone several times a day, everyday, the past months the phone was going unanswered. I finally had to call her brother or sister. I too did not want to have to get "reports". I wanted to hear her voice, I wanted my friend back the way we were. I just returned from visiting her. her family is being so wonderful caring for her. They love hearing from her friends and telling her about their calls. By all means, take any avenue you can to let her know how much you are thinking of her. She already knows how much you care.

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited March 2008

    Thank you dunner and jacqui so much. Surely helps me! Have not heard from her since I spoke to her husband earlier in the day. I'll wait a few more hours and then call her sister. Seems she is having a bad day...

  • Shirlann
    Shirlann Member Posts: 3,302
    edited March 2008

    Hi Ravdeb, dear old friend. As you probably know, I lost my daughter-in-law to Pancreatic Cancer 2 years ago and Walt and I spent every day with her from 8am till her mom came at noon. I urge you to tell her how much you love her, and how much she means to you. You may well have already done this, but with my mom, I didn't do this, I was afraid I would scare her. But with Carmela, since she knew she was dying (we picked out her urn on the Internet sitting on her bed), I cried with her and hugged her to pieces and told her what a wonderful daughter-in-law she had been and what a wonderful mother she was. I cried, she cried, but it was okay. So don't hold back, if you cry, let her hear this on the phone. It lets them know how much you care.



    She should not be in any pain. I doubt if they have Hospice yet, since she may still have a few more options to try, but they gave my son all the morphine (drops by mouth, no shots) that he wanted. Carm never suffered a minute. But it may still be too soon for this for your friend. Maybe they could get her a morphine pump? Then she can use it herself. Don't like the suffering.



    You are such a lovely person, I would love to have you as a friend in my last days.



    God bless you, Shirlann

  • gracejon
    gracejon Member Posts: 972
    edited March 2008

    I admire you Ravdeb.  It is very difficult and very personal to support a friend with a similiar diagnosis.  I tend to become very scared and want to run away.  I have stuck it out for the love and compassion of the friend but have always felt that sickening feeling of what if and what more can I do?  Bless you and sending hope.

  • gsg
    gsg Member Posts: 3,386
    edited March 2008

    Ravdeb:  You are doing all the right things.  I'm sure your support is very comforting to her.  When my stepdad was dying of kidney cancer last year, we were able to have conversations that he couldn't have with the others since we shared the "cancer" experience.  I know it meant a lot to him and it did to me too.  I, like you, felt helpless most days because we want the same outcome for them that we had....that part is out of our hands.  Just keep doing what you're doing.

    I'm going through a similar thing now with my best friend who has pancreatic cancer and has just been told she now has liver and lung mets.  She's in Minnesota and I'm in Maryland...all I can do is offer her emotional support from afar and googling like crazy trying to find any info that will help.  She perks up when she hears my voice on the phone.  She told me she saved a voicemail I left so she can hear my voice whenever she wants.  Sometimes that's all it takes, something as simple as our voice.

    Treasure each moment you have.

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited March 2008

    Ladies...your notes to me are wonderful. Thank you so much for all your support.

    She may still get more treatments. I will find out more today. She is not doing well but they may be moving her to a hospital that is closer to me so she can get one last try at some type of treatment. I'm not sure what it is.

    It's hard to understand her on the phone. I've been in touch with her family members daily and she knows this.

    They are giving her pain relief (not morphine but something else) and it's helping her. She is emotionally in pain and having a hard time coping. This is mostly what we are helping her with.

    Very hard. I hope to see her again soon.

    I am also looking up things for her. Her sister has asked me to get info on some problems she is having because of the steroids she's on.

    She has a lovely, lovely family and they are really there for her. She knows it. She told me that even if she falls asleep, she likes having her family and friends sitting in the room and chatting among themselves. It gives her comfort.

    It's a confusing time for me. I miss her. I miss our day-long breakfasts in cozy coffee houses where we talked about everything under the sun and tried to change the world. She continues to try to talk to me like that but she tires easily. She said she wished she could talk to me again like that... She is constantly worried about ME and hoping I'm feeling okay (just went through a battery of scans for some bc scares and all is well thank goodness) and never gets off the phone before I convince her that I'm absolutely fine and doing all the things I need to do.

    I know that this gives her some peace of mind, too.

    Very caring woman.

  • rumoret
    rumoret Member Posts: 685
    edited March 2008

    Dear Ravdeb,

    I sit here in my house this Friday reading your posts. I am going through the exact same thing you are with a dear childhood friend (since I was 13 years old), she is stage IV...mets to lung...now it is in her brain. She emailed me on Monday to say she was going to San Francisco for a 3rd opinion. She can not believe that she has brain mets! She just finished her chemo and radiation for the lung and she went back to work in February only to have a dx of brain mets a few weeks later. She says she is numb from the reality of this. She has always been so positive.....many times she stated to me that she believed she was cured. I always told her how much I admired her belief and that I thought she was so strong.

    Now my dear friend is in shock.......and I am in shock......and now from the stress and the tree pollen in the air.....I am having headaches. My other sister wants to go over to see her with me....I asked her to let me know what day and time would be best....I have yet to hear back. I know that I will have to place the phone call...........I am so scared....sad....and sick from having to do this. I have emailed her and told her how much I love her and how much my entire family loves her. Now I need to go over there and hug her. How do I do this? I am such an emotional person and this is so personal........I don't know how I can manage this. My tears are running at this moment.....and I am unable to sleep without thinking about her. I know I also fear for myself (I hope I am not being selfish....but this whole cancer thing has really scared me). I took a break from the message board here back in January prior to my Oncologist appointment in March, just wanted a break....and then my dear friend calls with her dx of brain mets! I came to the boards for advise, and all of you were so helpful.

    Anyway, Ravdeb........I am in your exact shoes.......I feel your pain, fear, and everything else in between. I just thought I needed to respond to your post.  I hope you find the strength to carry on...I pray daily for my own. 

    Love,

    Terry 

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited March 2008

    Terry...I'm sooo sorry to read this. I would never want anyone to ever have to go through what I am going through (nothing compared to my friend and her family..just talking about me for a minute). You are right...it's horrible and stressful much because we have had a bc diagnosis. It's not selfish..it makes our situation more real, even if we never see bc again in our own lives.

    I have not had a hard time going to see her and hugging her and holding her hands and listening to her when she can talk. What is much harder is when she is not strong enough to talk, or her mood is so down that she can't talk. She knows I check on her daily.

    A friend of mine gave me the idea of journaling my daily activities and then giving her the journal so that either she will read it or a family member will read it and it will be, albeit one-sided, a substitute for our long chats we grew to love. I just want to find a way to comfort her. For her to know that I miss her and I want to share things with her even when she is too weak to share. Even if she never reads the journal, I want her to have it by her side, with stickers of butterflies...her favorite.

    Terry...You will sleep better after you make that contact with her. It's hard. But, I sleep better after I've spoken to her or a family member...just knowing what is happening with her is a comfort to me. I hold back tears when I'm talking to her family...goodness they are so wonderful! I keep telling them that. For some reason, that seems to be very important to me..to tell them how great they are and what wonderful support they give to my friend. And then I tell my friend the same thing...that she is a lucky woman to have such a beautiful and caring family around her.

    Terry..I'm rambling. I don't know how to help you. i only wish the same back to you..that you will find the strength (and I'm sure you will) to be there for your friend. Sounds like she is searching for treatment options and this is a good thing. She's got the fighter spirit. I wish her, and you, well.

  • rumoret
    rumoret Member Posts: 685
    edited March 2008

    Ravdeb, thanks for you kind words....they have encouraged me. My friend has a wonderful family, lovely grown boys with children of their own. A wonderful husband and brother. I know they are all by her side encouraging her. She has always been a private person with her family.....and I do not want to take to much of their time. I know that she wants to see my sister and me....and it's just a matter of arranging an appropriate visiting time.

    I am so happy that you are able to have those visits, and I have taken to heart all of your sound advise. You don't know this Ravdeb....but I have always been drawn to your posts. Maybe it is because of your beautiful picture and the fact that you live in Israel and you always have such wonderful advise. If you could look at a sunset this evening over in Israel and say a little prayer for my dear friend.......it would mean so much to me and I know for her. Her name is Carol.

    Thank you so much for responding.

    Love Always,

    Terry, Sis 

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited March 2008

    Terry...Carol is in my prayers. And thank you for your very kind words.

    One thing about visiting...I always call a million times in advance because, at least in my friend's case, things change moment to moment. I usually call her sister and she gives me the "okay" to come. So, I'm planning to make a visit today and will call before I hop on the train. I've already spoken briefly with her and her son but it could be that it won't be appropriate. She also likes being with her family privately though she has included me and her other good friend on her list of "family".

    You sound like me. I don't like to bug them with my calls and I keep telling them that and they all keep telling me to call whenever I want and they will call me back if they can't talk. My friend knows that I need "to know" everything and when she is able to, she talks to me and when she wants me to know details she gives the phone to a family member.

    The important thing is to keep in touch and let her know she is on your mind. I was sending text messages all the time and for a while she would answer them, but now she can't. But at that time, she told me that she knew how much I cared about her and she could feel it and she knows me..that I don't want to bother or intrude.

    So...you have to feel the family out and your friend. And there may be times when they just don't want to hear of any bc friends who are doing well. I sometimes feel that way. She has told me that she's worried about ME and how scared I must be for myself. I'm not. I was. But not anymore. I've had all the brain scans and ct's since this wild adventure and I'm clean. I'm only worried about her.

    Good luck, Terry. Keep in touch. You can pm me if you want.

  • rumoret
    rumoret Member Posts: 685
    edited March 2008

    Ravdeb.....thanks for keeping her in your prayers...I will do the same for your friend. Your words have helped me very much today. I can hear what you were saying when your friend says she is worried about you....and that you yourself are not worried. My friend was never worried about herself....I like that about her. My friend never really did much research on breast cancer and the subtypes, maybe that was how she maintained such a positive attitude. Then when her breast cancer became mets........she told me she screamed so loud in her surgeons office everyone could hear her in the waiting room. She was so adamant about being totally CURED......and those are her words. When she stated to me that she felt completely positive that she was CURED.....I would only smile back at her and say how strong I thought she was. I knew that my ability to believe 100% without doing any research would not be in my cards. I'm a researcher by nature...heck....I do genealogy as one of my hobbies. So by the time my mother was dx breast cancer at age 69 and now she is turning 78 (she is a triple negative), I had already researched breast cancer in depth.....even so I was not about to tell my friend that she was not cured. Only God knows the days of our lives.

    So your advise is great and I will listen carefully and give her HOPE. Also, thanks for the offer to PM you...and you do not hesitate in returing a PM to me.......and you can also email me if needed. I tend to check my email everyday....and have spent less time on the boards because I feel the need to wean myself a little from the boards to get my mind off a cancer.

    Talk to you soon,

    Love, Terry, Sis 

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited April 2008

    I'm very sad. All my friend does is sleep. I haven't been able to talk to her and she came down with a virus on top of everything and so I can't see her.

    Her brain mets spread to the spinal fluid. She is getting rads to the spine (lower back) now. I think the rads are to ease symptoms. I call the family daily. Today her daughter put the cell phone on the speaker so I could talk to my friend and she'd hear me but there was no response. Her daughter said she dozes on and off. I spoke to her sister and when I asked her how my friend was feeling, she said she didn't know..all she does is sleep. She does not get out of bed though a pt was there to sit her up which her daughter says tires her out.

    Terry...I pm'd you.

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