Book/Film Club: Jane Eyre April-May

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Book/Film Club: Jane Eyre April-May

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  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited March 2008

    Jane Eyre is the first book we'll discuss.  No rules, other than read the book.  If you also want to watch one of the Jane Eyre films and discuss it in relation to the book that's good too.  And as there have been so many versions of Jane Eyre on film--one recently on Masterpiece Theater, it can be any film version.  In fact, we might even discuss how the different versions compare to each other and to the book.  Do any work better in bringing the book to life?

    In May, we'll pick another book but we can keep this thread open as long as anyone wants to contribute.  I'll start the discussion below.   

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited March 2008

    One thing that has always bothered me in watching film versions of Jane Eyre is how rarely the character of Jane (and lately this is true of Mr. Rochester as well) resembles Jane in the book.  In the book, Jane is a very little women and very plain.  I some times imagine that perhaps Bronte was thinking of herself--as she was reputed to be plain.   None of the women playing Jane are plain.  I suppose film makers think that pulling the hair back or using less makeup does the trick. In the recent Masterpiece Theatre production the man who played Rochester was quite good looking, and in the book Rochester is spoken of as though he might be more than plain-ugly in fact.

    I suppose some people might ask why it matters.  But it does matter, since that's a very important point in the novel.  And I'll leave that discussion for later or for someone else. 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited March 2008

    I always found it kind of funny that Joan Fontaine always portrayed these

    characters as she was obviously a natural beauty. Not only did she star in Jane Eyre, but also Rebecca, Suspicion, (just stick a pair of glasses on her) and my all time favorite for tear jerkers-- Letter from an unknown woman with Louis Jourdan.

    Hollywood had a funny view of plain.  

    PS--Anne-   Incidentally Margaret O'Brien also starred in Jane Eyre along with child star Elizabeth Taylor.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2008

    Count me in.  I'll download a copy today and start reading.

  • LisaSDCA
    LisaSDCA Member Posts: 2,230
    edited March 2008

    Okay - I'm signing up. Being a traditionalist, I'll be reading my family 50's edition hardback i first read in my youth and viewing my old video of the movie with Joan Fontaine.

    Ready to go in April.

    I'll be finished then with Gloriana, a far more factual history of Elizabeth I than any of the recent films have been.

    Lisa

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited March 2008

    In A Room of One's Own, Virginia Woolf said the following of Bronte and Jane Eyre.  I wonder what the rest of you think; do you agree in her comparison between Bronte and Austen (see the full essay, available online, if you want to read it in full or see what she says about Austen).  I've always had my doubts, although I certainly think Woolf's essay is brilliant, the definitive essay on gender.

    I (Woolf) opened it at chapter twelve and my eye was caught by the phrase ‘Anybody may blame me who likes’. What were they blaming Charlotte Brontë for? I wondered. And I read how Jane Eyre used to go up on to the roof when Mrs Fairfax was making jellies and looked over the fields at the distant view. And then she longed—and it was for this that they blamed her—that ‘then I longed for a power of vision which might overpass that limit; which might reach the busy world, towns, regions full of life I had heard of but never seen: that then I desired more of practical experience than I possessed; more of intercourse with my kind, of acquaintance with variety of character than was here within my reach. I valued what was good in Mrs Fairfax, and what was good in Adele; but I believed in the existence of other and more vivid kinds of goodness, and what I believed in I wished to behold.

    ‘Who blames me? Many, no doubt, and I shall he called discontented. I could not help it: the restlessness was in my nature; it agitated me to pain sometimes. . . .

    ‘It is vain to say human beings ought to be satisfied with tranquillity: they must have action; and they will make it if they cannot find it. Millions are condemned to a stiller doom than mine, and millions are in silent revolt against their lot. Nobody knows how many rebellions ferment in the masses of life which people earth. Women are supposed to be very calm generally: but women feel just as men feel; they need exercise for their faculties and a field for their efforts as much as their brothers do; they suffer from too rigid a restraint, too absolute a stagnation, precisely as men would suffer; and it is narrow–minded in their more privileged fellow–creatures to say that they ought to confine themselves to making puddings and knitting stockings, to playing on the piano and embroidering bags. It is thoughtless to condemn them, or laugh at them, if they seek to do more or learn more than custom has pronounced necessary for their sex.

    ‘When thus alone I not unfrequently heard Grace Poole’s laugh. . . .’

    Woolf stops quoting and writes: 

    That is an awkward break, I thought. It is upsetting to come upon Grace Poole all of a sudden. The continuity is disturbed. One might say, I continued, laying the book down beside PRIDE AND PREJUDICE, that the woman who wrote those pages had more genius in her than Jane Austen; but if one reads them over and marks that jerk in them, that indignation, one sees that she will never get her genius expressed whole and entire. Her books will be deformed and twisted. She will write in a rage where she should write calmly. She will write foolishly where she should write wisely. She will write of herself where she should write of her characters. She is at war with her lot. How could she help but die young, cramped and thwarted?

     

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited March 2008

    Another thought to make the conversation interesting:  Jean Rhys, born in Jamaica I believe, wrote Wide Sargasso Sea, with the woman in the attic as its subject.  It's a great book, although I love all Rhys' books--but very depressing, all of them.  They're the type of books you read when you want a really good cry.

    I was once travelling on a train reading "Good Morning Midnight," very depressing, and a woman sitting next to me was sobbing.  I never had the courage to ask if I could help, was too concerned with not being nosy, but I've always wished  I had.  But it was the right book to be reading at the time.

    Sorry, got off the subject, but "Wide Saragasso Sea" gives another view of Bertha, which is interesting if you read "Jane Eyre" after reading Rhys' book. 

  • Watson
    Watson Member Posts: 1,490
    edited March 2008
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2008

    Sounds great as this is one of "my" books I've read several times. My FAVORITE movie version starred George C. Scott as Rochester. He fit the part as not particularly handsome but powerful and hypnotic (IMHO)!

  • LisaSDCA
    LisaSDCA Member Posts: 2,230
    edited March 2008

    wait, wait, wait

    Aren't we going to be having thought-provoking posts beginning April 2nd or something?!? I'm still reading Gloriana! I don't want to start out behind. Aw, phooey! And I just got three other books yesterday. An embarrassment of riches!

    Lisa

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited March 2008

    Lisa--I put up the thread early and posted some thoughts about what we might discuss so we all could start thinking.  But yes, the thread actually starts in April, and I wasn't intending to post anything more until then.  So finish Gloriana.

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited March 2008

    Keeping this alive--April 1 coming soon!

  • mke
    mke Member Posts: 584
    edited March 2008

    I'm in, got a copy from the library yesterday.

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited April 2008

    I'll begin.  I love the novel, yet I like some parts more than others.  I see "Jane Eyre" in four parts:  Jane as child; Jane as governess; Jane living with the Rivers; and the very short ending, when Jane finds Mr. Rochester.

    I much prefer the early part, Jane as child. I haven't thought about it a great deal but I suppose I should.  Why do I prefer the part where Jane goes through so much unhappiness.  And why do I find it so much more real than Jane meeting Mr. Rochester, finding love, riches?  I suppose, in one respect, it's because the second part falls so much into the fairy tale genre:  poor plain girl with good character meets rich man, gets married, lives happily ever after.  Of course, that doesn't happen until they both achieve redemption, he in particular. They must both suffer greatly before the rewards are granted:  very Christian.

    Any thoughts out there on this.  For example, why did Jane have to suffer along with Rochester? After all, she was marrying Rochester for love.  She didn't know about the woman in the attic, yet she also goes through great suffering, and almost dies, before the Rivers family takes her in. 

    Does anyone else out there read this like a Christian text? 

  • sccruiser
    sccruiser Member Posts: 1,119
    edited April 2008

    I'm joining the book club today! Just went and picked up a copy at the bookstore. I don't think I've read this book in years. I'm starting today, so I'll try to keep up with you master readers!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2008

    I don't think of it as a Christian text - more of a product of their times. I think subconsciously this was why the book was so popular in it's day -- I'm plain and a good girl, so something romantic can happen to me, too, before I become an "old maid". So, yeah, after all -- a fairy tale.

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited April 2008

    Laura--interesting that your last name is Burns, as in Helen Burns, the childhood friend of Jane.

    I think it falls under both.  It's a fairy tale but one that must fulfill the Christian idea of redemption.  Before Rochester can enjoy happiness he must achieve redemption.  But I still wonder why Jane must also go through the fire.

    The story is that Charlotte was a teacher in a school (I think in Belgium) and fell in love with the headmaster who was married.  I wonder if she is Jane and Jane is she, and because she knew the man she loved was married, she put some of the guilt on Jane!  Farfetched, I suppose.  

    Also, their father was a minister, so they certainly were fully Christianized, although wildly pagan at the same time, particularly thinking of Wurthing Heights and Emily.

    Any thoughts? 

  • beth1225
    beth1225 Member Posts: 1,061
    edited April 2008

    When I was in England, our first stop outside of London was Bath.  The Bronte sisters are almost enshrined there as well as in York.  It was a little eerie stading in the abbey where they must have once walked.  Being in that part of England, not far from Stonehenge and Druid sites, maybe the pagan relics interested them and so wrote about it.  I find it a way of making sense of that versus Christianity.  Epsecially with a minister as a father.  Women were not supposed to question, just agree with Lord and Master. 

    JMHO and my two cents!

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited April 2008

    Hi Beth--glad to see you joined. 

    I was surprised about Bath and the Brontes, as I don't think any of the sisters ever spent any time there.  I know Charlotte spent some time in London after she became famous, but as far as I know it was just brief periods.  But I suppose all of England worships them.  Actually, Jane Austen spent some time in Bath when she was a young woman, but supposedly she hated it, which is reflected somewhat in her description of it in "Persuasion."  The Brontes spent all of their time in the north, in Yorkshire, but I'm sure there were plenty of Druid sites there as well.  I do think, though, that the Brontes did question many things--their father from the little we know of him was fairly open for a minister.  Many people think of Jane Eyre as the first feminist novel, as Jane is a very strong woman, even as a child, and very defiant of authority when she feels it's misused.  Remember how she stands up to her aunt and also to the head of the school--and also to Rochester when he wants her to violate her conscience and go away with him.    

  • beth1225
    beth1225 Member Posts: 1,061
    edited April 2008

    OMG, did I ever get them all mixed up.  But I do remember seeing sites in York now that you mention it about the Bronte's.  York is almost as far north as you can go before you hit Scotland.  And Scotland has its own myths and legends.  It had to be confusing to the 3 sisters.

    My addled brain read Jane Eyre and processed it as Jane Austen which is where the reference to Bath came from.  That's another book!

  • anneshirley
    anneshirley Member Posts: 1,110
    edited April 2008

    Beth--very understandable.  Jane Austen is my favorite writer, and in fact, I was supposed to write my dissertation on her, which is how I happen to know she is Bath's favorite writer, probably because of "Persuasion."  But the Brontes spent lots of time on the moors which is likely to addle anyone's brains. 

  • sccruiser
    sccruiser Member Posts: 1,119
    edited April 2008

    Well, I'm almost 1/2 way through Jane Eyre. I really don't remember reading it before, but I know I did in high school. I'm intrigued with all the strong vs weak women in the book. the strong ones seem to be "plain," and the beautiful ones seem to be weak--especially in character. I think this must be a first feminist novel just based on that.



    Anyway, I'm enjoying it so much I have a hard time turning off the light at night to sleep!!



    grace

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