My Niece's Mom read her diary - What should I say to her?

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My Niece's Mom read her diary - What should I say to her?

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2008

    This is O/T but quite the sticky situation...I need some advice.

    Many of you are experts in the field of Motherhood. I never had a child, but am very close to my 3 nieces, ages 12, 16 and 17 (have been ever since they were born). I spend a lot of time with them and have tried to be their mentor. Last night the 17 year old (will be 18 in July) called me. She was livid/hysterical/angry...crying, etc. Her Mom read her diary. She said she left the diary unhidden because she thought she could trust that her Mom wouldn't invade her privacy. (My dh said "she should have hidden it" lol). She kept asking "how could she do this to me?". I was at a loss for words of advice, but tried to explain that her Mom most likely did it to help keep her on the right track (she's going away to college next year). And that someday, she will look back and realize that it wasn't an act of malice, but rather one of concern and love. I asked her if what was written in it was "bad" and she said "yes...I wrote things that I never even told my best friend about". OUCH, OUCH, OUCH! Her car and cell phone have been taken away. She can only leave the house for school and work for two months. She didn't say what the "bad" things were and I didn't think I should ask. I told her to use this month to think about this as being a good time to stop doing the "bad" things and to try to replace her anger with positive and healthy thoughts.

    I'm sure she'll be calling me again today...what should I say to her? Of course, if I sense that she just wants me to "listen" to her I will. I'm curious...do you think her Mom was right? (She's my brother's daughter and they're divorced...I rarely if ever see or speak to his ex.)

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited March 2008

    Laura first of all I would explain to her that her mom probably shouldn't have read it but if she didn't want her mom to see it she shouldn't have left it out......also remind her to be very careful what she might be journaling on the Internet such as "myspace" and "facebook"......college recruiters are logging in and seeing what kind of kids are apply to their schools.........be sure that there are not "suggestive" pictures or "mean book" type entrees........Shokk

  • danix5
    danix5 Member Posts: 755
    edited March 2008

    Laura,

    I am a Mom of 5. Four boys, one girl.  They range from 13,15,17,19,20.  The girl is 19 and in her first year of college. 

    I do have a little experience with teenagers.LOL!

    I agree with you, Mom's do get nosy when they feel they need to check up on their children and they should any parent that 100% trust their teenager is a fool!  I clean their rooms go through notes I find, always call land line to make sure my kids are where they say.  (With cellphone they could be anywhere!)  Teenagers are naturally trying to experience new things and have independence from their parents, all of them will do something that adults would consider bad it is just the degree that counts most.  EX.  saying a swear word ,or drunk driving, yeah totally different degree but both are bad!

    But in your nieces case there seems to be either an overreaction by Mom,(is she an over reactive parent), or the BAD is something really serious, drugs,sex etc...!  So Mom maybe right in the punishment she dished out.  You can't know until your niece explains it to you if she does. 

    I would not push for the information just listen to her.  It is great that she has you to call,and is very interesting that that this journal contains things she did not tell her best friend.  To me that sends a sex signal.  I could be way off here,but girls do not always want to share that for fear of being judged harshly or labeled  by their friends.

    It is a confusing time, but if you have seen a good pattern of parenting up until now I would trust that the mother has done the right thing.  Just explain to your niece the two most important words for every problem in this world, Choices and communication.

    Honestly think about it, every day is filled with nothing but choices. Stay home from work, brush my teeth or not etc.... every choice can be good or bad and if it is bad, than communicating can help you work through the bad times.

    My kids have gotten the two C's since they were babies.  While far.... from perfect they have not made any really stupid choices.  And the bad ones they have chosen always follows with a talk from Mom on how we could have chosen a different path.  Still works even with the 20yr who I just informed that I was taking his Credit card away for choosing  to spend to much money!!LOL!  He gets it back when balance is 0. 

    I do not know if this helps.  Just be there for your niece and tell her  this to shall pass!  Life goes on, sometimes with very valuable lessons learned!

    Daniella

  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited March 2008

    H Laura,

    I do not have children, either, but I really think your niece's mom was out of line.  How could she punish her daughter because she (the mom) invaded her privacy?  It would be one thing if the mom told your niece that she had read the diary and was disappointed (disapproved or whatever), but to mete out such severe punishment doesn't make sense to me.  Also, as you said, this niece is on her own within six months.  Your poor niece will have trust issues forever because of this.  I really don't know what you could say to her, I just wanted to express a little outrage at her mom.

  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited March 2008

    Wow...a very sticky situation!  I don't know..maybe the mom suspected some of these "bad" things and decided to do some digging around?

    I can tell you what *I* would do if I suspected my teen was doing (example here..not saying your niece was doing this) drugs or other bad things.  I would do the same thing.  I know I know...sounds bad.  But I would rather invade his privacy and get those bad things out in the open to deal with them.

    I think you are doing the right thing by listening to your niece and offering gentle suggestions.  You can be her venting post without you "taking sides" so to speak.  My niece and I are very close..kinda the same situation as your's.  She is now grown and married with kids of her own.  She wrote me a letter just this year....letting me know just how much our relationship means to her.  Made me cry, lol.

    Take care,

    Bugs

  • DianeE
    DianeE Member Posts: 176
    edited March 2008

    This is a tough one, but I agree with Daniella.  I have a 12 and 9 year old and kids today are being really pushed into risky behavior that they may or may not know exactly how to deal with.  I am not saying that your niece falls into this category, but keep in mind that there are 2 sides to every story.  To listen to my 12 year olds rendition to my husband about a reason for a consequence I have given her, you would think 2 Moms lived in the house.  Those darn hormones can just raise havoc on their brains.  My daughter also knows that her emails are not private as at 12, anything she emails to friends should be able to be written on the black board at school.  So, her email account is open viewing to Mom and Dad as well.  I think there could be something to be said that your niece may have left that diary out in the open to be read by Mom by her subconscious possibly needing help with the bad things she had written.  If the things really are bad, and that is all relative, than maybe some good will come of this.  I know it seems harsh, but if your sister acted so strongly, she may have had genuine concerns for her daughter.  It will all work out in the end but it will be a little ugly around that house for awhile.  Bet her sisters never leave their diary out!

    Diane

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2008

    You girls are great! Thanks so much...ALL good advice.

    Unfortunately...I suspect the harsh punishment AND the invasion of privacy were perhaps due to "suspicions" of "bad" behavior on Mom's part.

    Yes...I will simply listen if that's what she needs. 

    I love the 2 c's...I will definately "communicate" that to her. Wow...you have your hands full - 5 - OMG! Amazing!

    A long time ago, I heard on an Oprah show that an "aunt" can make a significant difference in the life of a child. That always stuck with me.

    (Another thing I did tell her was to try and follow the rules... similar to the 2c's...in every aspect of life. Breaking them is easy but desctructive. Following them is sometimes difficult, but life is much less stressful and you "win" more often than not.)

    I'm hoping she's calmed down a bit today. Yikes... 

  • ijl
    ijl Member Posts: 897
    edited March 2008

    I have two girls: 21 and 17. And I am on the side of  niece's monther. We don't know what was in the diary and I have a feeling it something really bad since she did not even sahre it with you.

    I beleive that my job as a parent is to make sure that the kids are safe. And whatever was in that diary might have been something dangerous as evidenced by the punishment. The niece does not complain about the severity of the punishment but only about the way the misdeed was discovered. 

    I would venture to say that the mother probably had some clues that something was not right and perhaps that is why she searched for clues and found the diary. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2008

    Diane - I never thought of it being a "plea" for help! If that's the case...I feel much better...because if she is asking for help... that's a good indication she's ready for positive change! Interesting...

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited March 2008

    I'm a child psychologist and what your exSIL did by breaching her daughter's trust is going to take a long time to repair. She's really lucky that she has you as a sounding board. IMHO, her mom missed the opportunity to have a positive dialogue with her daughter about the things of concern (the "bad" things) and she shut the door on having a trusting relationship.  If the mom had cause for concern that your niece was doing something dangerous, she should have gone to her daughter first. Your niece is at the age where she needs to be responsible for making decisions and part of the learning curve is making mistakes. We all went through that and experience is often the best teacher. Teens don't usually learn from other peoples' mistakes, particularly their parents. It sounds like your niece is upset by the betrayal as much as she is the punishment.

    If I were you I'd ask your niece if she wants to tell you any of the things her mom is upset about, let her know that you won't judge her and if she has a problem you'll try to steer her in the right direction. Just try not to avoid saying anything negative about her mom even if you're thinking it. What does your bro say about all this? Her mom probably reacted out of fear, but I think  she set the relationship back by doing so. Will your niece be away at college next year?

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited March 2008

    I had exactly the same thought that DianeE did about your niece leaving the diary out in the open -- that it was a subconscious cry for help.

    I also think Inna makes a very good point: "And whatever was in that diary might have been something dangerous as evidenced by the punishment. The niece does not complain about the severity of the punishment but only about the way the misdeed was discovered."

    Laura, I agree with everyone who has said you have handled this well, and the best thing is just to keep lines of communication open with your niece, and not to express disapproval of her mother, and support your niece in making good choices about her own behavior. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2008

    Wow...you girlz are goooooood! Thanks so much!

    Amy - Great suggestion...I will tread lightly and ask her if she wants to talk more specifically about it. This all came down last night...I have a call into my bro...IMO - his ex should let him know what she read...so he knows what's going on. I would never say anything negative about her Mom or Dad (regardless of my opinion)...not my place to do so. Yes, she is "going away" to college...living on campus. Thanks!

    Madalyn - Thanks! It's amazing...I have learned as much from my nieces as they have learned from me. Like I wrote...I too suspect there was some suspicion and that's why she did read it. In the past, she has not seemed overly scrict in the "punishment" department.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited March 2008

    At her age the things teens do that get them in trouble are often signs of needing guidance and gentle steering. Depression, anxiety, sex, drinking and drugs, eating disorders, self mulilation, school etc are just some of the problems girls her age deal with. Unless it's a repeated defiance of something previously discussed, it's hard for me to see what could be so awful to cause her mom to punish her so severely. If she's drinking and driving or getting in the car with those who do, that would be a biggie-- but might even be better handled by insuring that she can call her mom if she ever needs a ride-- no questions asked while instilling the virtues of finding fun w/o alcohol, calling to check an adult will be home if she's going to be at a party etc. If she's having sex or is or was pregnant, punishment isn't the answer, but education on birth control and stds and and deciding whether she's ready for a sexually intimate relationship etc. Your bro and sil have a small window of time to deal with any concerns that may have been found in her diary-- if they're too strict she might not have the skills to deal with situations while she's in college etc.

    Again she is so lucky to have you.

  • anniee
    anniee Member Posts: 163
    edited March 2008

    I have three teens as well,...I wholeheartedly agree with Madelyn..."respecting privacy comes second to protecting them from making serious and dangerous mistakes"....a teenagers privacy is a delicate thing...I believe it is not to be automatic...it is earned. When you look at the whole picture of trust in this situation...your niece has also violated trust in one way or another for these "bad things" to have occured. A parent trusts a child when it has been earned as well...my kids are very close with their aunt (my twin)...and I am so thankful that they have someone special they can turn to, if they cant talk to me...you are doing an awesome job in supporting her through this difficult time...maybe set up some time for the two of you to go out if her mother will allow it....I hope your niece gets through this turmoil soon...she is very blessed to have someone who cares so much for her and can be a sounding board for her emotions...I know your probably very worried about her as well...hopefully this is just a little bump in the road... which not too many teens these days can avoid a bump or two.

      

  • 2up
    2up Member Posts: 1,358
    edited October 2008

    i got hold of my dtr's cell phone recently (she was asleep and it was set to 'vibrate')  ............ the texts she was receiving from her male 'friend' (3 years her senoir) were quite disturbing.

    .......... long story short, as mad as she was for me "spying", she was able to communicate to me that she felt relieved that i'd intervened because she felt overwhelmed at the pressure being put on her by this young man and that her friends kept saying "go for it" etc etc.

    god was speaking to me the night i intercepted those texts ............. it's incredibly tough to be a single parent, but i try to find the right balance every single day.  it is tiresome and frustrating at times, but i'm all she's got.

    i say .......... "snoop when your gut tells you to, but talk before you punish"  otherwise let them find their way with lots of input, reflection and knowledge from the parent ............ and knowing that they have an outlet in an aunt or grandparent etc. is most invaluable in a single parent household! (or any 'normal' household for that matter).

    i never purposefully snoop on my kid, but i've overlooked my gut instincts one too many times in the past to my own detriment .......... and it's one thing when it comes to me being hurt, but totally another thing when it comes to my child.

    .............. i'm learning to listen ............. laura, you are a gem! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2008

    It's always enlightening to hear when a bad situation is turned around and good comes out of it. I love that!

    shel - Thanks for sharing that...you sound as though you're right on track with your daughter...especially seeing as how you're a single mom. So...my hope is that her situation will turn out to be a positive one.

    Thanks to everyone!

  • lexi4
    lexi4 Member Posts: 1,074
    edited March 2008

    Hi Laura,

    I didn't respond earlier to your post because I wasn't sure how to put into words what I was thinking. But after reading Shel's post, I really couldn't have said it better. I think mom's have an instinct and sometimes we really need to pay attention to that. I like that she said to talk about it before punishing. I think that is really wise. We shouldn't try to exasperate our children, and our children should respect and honor our wishes as their parents.

    By the way, I sure wished that I had a loving and caring aunt like you!! You are super!

    Hugs,

    Lexi

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2008

    Thanks Lexi! Most of my firneds say "can you be my Auntie?" LOL But honestly...I feel so fortunate to have my nieces in my life. During chemo, surgeries, etc. they were very considerate and compassionate...they kept me going. It's sad they had to see me go through that, but I truly think they learned alot from it. Life Lessons...that's what it's all about.

    -----------------------------------------------

    I talked to my niece last night...unfortunately, she is very defiant...very ANGRY at her Mom. But I think I helped her - thanks to all of you. Thank you so much... I think the world of her... she has a lot of "potential".

    Thanks so much for all of your advice!

  • gsg
    gsg Member Posts: 3,386
    edited March 2008

     I completely agree with Shel.  

    Laura, it's wonderful you have the relationship with your nieces that you do.  You can be there for them in a way that is different than their mom can be and that is something to treasure.  You are someone for them to turn to, to vent, to confide in, someone they can trust...who can't ground them.  LOL.   I have an aunt like that and I can't imagine my life without her.

  • mailman
    mailman Member Posts: 81
    edited March 2008

    Tough call.  I would have to say that it really depends on many variables as to whether or not it  was justified.  The end doesn't justify the means in my opinion either.  Parenting styles differ immensely and many of take with us what we experienced as kids and add some other ingredients to our own parenting style.  That said,  it would be interesting to note as to whether or not the diary was left out all the time, or was this a singular incident or one of a few exceptions to the rule.  Some people leave clues subconsiously and are asking for help in subtle ways.  If this teen knew her parents were already concerned about her behaviour then is it possible that she left it out on purpose,  hoping to be stopped from further self destructive behaviour?  Just a few garbled thoughts from a father of two.  My kids never did anything that warranted the invasion of their privacy .  That said,  I wouldn't hesitate to look in the diary , journal had I felt that it was necessary.  I also know that my relationship with my kids could handle such a unfortunate situation.  Cause above it all  we  love each other hard and we are tight and we forgive each other and let things go....................

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