tamoxifen...risky?????

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  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited March 2008

    Ok lets say that the CYP2D6 profile did not come out favorable(that is you will not benefit as much for tamox ) does this rule out the AI's or Femara as well, or are they a different ballpark ?

    Aylin

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited March 2008

    Hmm just read that for pre-menaupausal gals they are not inclined to do the CY test.. Why cant they just do a ooph.. and place me on AI ???

  • Cynthia1962
    Cynthia1962 Member Posts: 1,424
    edited March 2008
    Aylin,

    The AI's are a different ballpark, and your CYP2D6 results wouldn't be relevant to them.  It is possible to get the test even if you're pre-menopausal if your dr orders it.  Many women are having oophs and going on AI's, but there are risks of early menopause, of course, and there's no research yet that shows the effectiveness of surgical menopause with an AI vs natural menopause.  

    I'm thinking of having an ooph, but staying on Tamoxifen because it would probably lower my recurrence risk more than Tamoxifen alone.  I'm still trying to figure out exactly how much benefit it would give me vs. the drawbacks of early menopause.

      

    Cynthia

  • SISKimberly
    SISKimberly Member Posts: 762
    edited March 2008

    This has been a very informative thread.  I had pretty much already decided not to do HT thinking an ooph would be enough, but now I'm thinking I may not even do an ooph if I can control the estrogen-receptor issue with diet, exercise, and natural supplements. 

    I had a bilateral mastectomy and am in the midst of chemo...halfway done...and facing radiation.  My dx is in my signature line.  I'm not happy about having to do chemo or rads, but  felt I had to do what I could to get rid of the cancer cells knowing I'd be changing my lifestyle immediately to prevent it from recurring.  Now reading this, I'm rethinking if I really need to go through with radiation. Being node positive is the thing that the research seems to point to as a sign rads is recommended.  Thoughts?

    SIS Kimberly 

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited March 2008

    Hi Kimberly,

    We have talked before.  I hope you are doing OK.  Here's my thoughts on the subject.  I did have 7 weeks of rads, with the last week being "super charged" and I did have the ooph.  I declined tamox and I declined the chemo.  If I had this to do all over again, I would only do the lumpectomy and thats it.  Then I would jump off this train and get on with my life.  I'm not suggesting that's what you do, but you asked for thoughts and that is what I think.  I have been out of rads for 2 years now and I still have plenty of SE's and also SE's from the ooph.   I have had so much testing and scans that I am sick of it.  And as of a few months ago, I have pulled myself off of the medical train.  My oncs. office has called a few times to see if I am ready to set up an appointment, I told them no, I will call them.  And I keep getting letters from the hospital to come in and do my mammos.  But I am tossing them for now.  I am not saying what I'm doing is right, but all of this has burnt me out so much, I have just had it.  I think if I would have stopped at the lumpectomy I would be back to "normal" right now and not hurting every morning because of my bones being stripped away from the ooph and the pain in my ribs from the rads (or so they think).  And just flat out tired all the time.  Not to mention now having to use a KY or something like that every time my husband and I have sex.  I have never used anything like that in my life!  Now I feel like an old lady.  OK..I have ranted enough.  But I guess you can tell how I feel about this whole thing.  I hope you make a choice that you feel good about.  I do wish you the best of luck and let me know how you are doing OK?

    Your sis,

    g

  • Cynthia1962
    Cynthia1962 Member Posts: 1,424
    edited March 2008

    Kimberly - g makes a good point that your age may figure into your decision.  I was already "old" (44) when I was dx'd.  I also have no side effects from rads, so I'm all for it (I also had 4 positive nodes). I wish I could remember the stats my rad onc gave me on the benefit, but I can't.  I just remember that it was significant.  I was also at a brand new facility with the very latest technology and some of the best techs in the business, so I felt fairly comfortable with having tx.  The precision they use these days is amazing.  But, it's not without risk, of course.  It does increase one's risk of sarcoma 20 to 30 years later.

    My life has gone on in spite of treatment and this year it'll seem even more "normal".  I only have a yearly mammo, a yearly pap, and no more scans.  I see my rad onc in May for the first time time since I saw him a couple weeks after I finished rads, and I see my med onc every 3 months, and have my port flushed every month.  

    The biggest permanent change to my life has been from the axillary node dissection.  I rarely get to forget because that arm is tighter and numb in places.  That's what I wish I could have avoided.

    There are plenty of women on this board who were already exercising, eating right, and taking supplements prior to their dx.  It's something to consider along with all the other factors.  Good luck with the rest of your tx, whatever you decide.

    Cynthia 

  • erickcarpenter
    erickcarpenter Member Posts: 79
    edited March 2008

    My wife made a similar choice "Little G" , but only after a lot of research. She chose lifestyle change, and it has been excellent in results. She has avoided both chemo and rad, and changing her lifestyle (and mine) extensively. Vegan, specific supplements, food avoidance, etc.... You can find her write up here:

    www.unwraptheribbon.com

    Where she does a pretty good job of describing how she got to where she is at. I hope the best for all, regardless of your choices!

    Erick Carpenter

    (Proud husband of a breast cancer survivor)

  • SISKimberly
    SISKimberly Member Posts: 762
    edited March 2008

    G and Cynthia,

    Thanks.

    I was 46 at dx, so Cynthia, no way you were old at dx. LOL

    I'm really rethinking the idea of rads and an ooph.  I just don't want my body to have to deal with more turmoil than it has to, especially if there isn't hard absolute, not relative, evidence showing me that either or both will be the ticket, if you know what I mean.

    More research for me...

    SIS Kimberly 

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited March 2008

    Kimberly,

    I declined to have axillary node dissection and chose to get rads ( they were indecisive about my case you can see the dilemma I had if you query on my 'trigeek axillary node dissection radiation' ) I am getting full blown rads starting this Thursday. I think that rads will be like pouring bleach on any possible 'mold' area, just an insurance to seal the deal.

    I am in the process in deciding about tamoxifen and will have a heated discussion with my oncologist this Thursday.. sigh.. I asked for the Cyp2 test. I was told that it was not offered in Orlando, but I should be able to get it done somewhere for sure. 

    And sorry but there is no absolute, hard evidence showing the result

    of any treatment for the c crap..

    Whatever decision you make it will be the right one for you, gather the facts get several opinions reach your decision then move on and never look back.

    Aylin  

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited March 2008

    Erick - Great web site!  I wish her and you all the best!  I think that was a great decision to make on her part.

    Kimberly - I totally know what you mean!  There is so much unknown, why should we put our bodies thru all of this when they can't guarantee anything.  I wish you the best with your choices and please let us know OK?

    Aylin - Right on to you for declining the node bx!  I just wrote to someone today saying I wish I never let them do the SNB.  What is the point??  It can travel thru our blood stream too.  My arm has never been the same.  I can't even carry very light weight for too long.  And what was the freakin point of it all??  It's BS and very archaic. 

    I wish all of us the best in whatever choice we make.  My personal thoughts are that quality of life is worth so much more than the medical spinning wheel they put us on.

    g

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited March 2008

    G

     I did have the SNB and they actually removed 6 nodes during my mastectomy. 1 had 2 mm involvement, the other had less than 2 mm.

    After chemo My oncologist and one other major center surgeon pushed for me to get total axillary node dissection to further remove all level 1&2 nodes. But after talking to about 10+ doctors did not see any point in going in and removing more since my radiation oncologist convinced me that I would benefit  from  radiation to the whole axilla anyways.

    The radiation of course could cause lymphedema I was told, not by killing the lymph nodes but forming scar tissue around them.  Taking curcumin hoping that that would help.

    Will take a step at a time, now have to find out whether I should be taking tamox or not.. should I be getting ooph or not.

    Sorry to hear that you are having such a hard time with your lymph situation. My surgeon said that I should swim, the water acts as a compression sleeve at the same time helping drain the yucky stuff out of your arm/torso. Rebounding also seems to have some fans to help lymph drainage.

    Lifting light weights is also promoted.

    Good luck.

    Aylin

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited March 2008

    Aylin,

    My bad on that, I was thinking SNB.  I'm glad you are doing well!  I wish you much luck with your decisions and I hope you will be at peace with whatever choices you make.  BTW..I am still continuing to do the light weight lifting, I lifted weights before all this started.  So, I am trying to get back to somewhat normal, I guess its just harder than I expected, and longer than I thought it would take.  Well..out to do some gardening today.  Its beautiful out!  Time to get some crops going.  I hope the day goes well for all of us!!

    g

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