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roseg Member Posts: 3,133
edited June 2014 in Life After Breast Cancer
what do you think?

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  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited March 2008

    I saw this in the paper this morning.

    Hax is not my favorite columnist, I know she tries to give issues her own spin.

    I think the link will work. It may want you to log in. If that's the case note it and I'll copy the whole thing in. 

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/29/AR2008022900792.html 

  • snowyday
    snowyday Member Posts: 1,478
    edited March 2008

    I do understand what the writer was trying to convey in her message.  I found it hard to have my sister believe this disease can kill me, and she sure didn't want to hear about it.  But it made me do up a living will and a regular will.  That way I didn't feel like I've put to much onto one or two people.  I felt her answer was trite and she sure says the same word over and over. And I wondered why she didn't recommend a will. This is the first time I've read this womens' coloum so I will now have to read some more. As for latching on to one person who will listen, thats alot for one person to deal with. What did you think?

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited March 2008

    I thought she might have encouraged the woman to seek support from other survivors.

    That columinst appeals to younger women. Unless her friends had been through cancer treatments they're unlikely to have a clue. Usually that columnist handles dust-ups over bridesmaid and women who've just had babies and find that they don't relate to their single friends any more.

    I hadn't thought about a will/living will, but that would also have been a good idea.   

  • KariLynn
    KariLynn Member Posts: 1,079
    edited March 2008

    I didn't see her answer as helpful at all.  Who's really going to browbeat someone with the "I'm going to die, you will too" thing just to get them to deal with your needs?

    A support group is a good idea - find people who understand.  Also good to take care of some things yourself - wills, living wills, funeral arangements (actually did that with DH and my sister - still haven't conquered the will.)  If there comes a time when her prognosis turns for the worse, people will be more realistic.

  • Fitztwins
    Fitztwins Member Posts: 7,969
    edited March 2008

    Whenever I talk about the possibility of my death, people poo poo it. They say, you will make it,, you will be okay...I don't want to prove them wrong, I just want them to acknowledge my feelings, my fears and help me deal.

    It is hard to imagine life with out myself. That sounded funny.

    interesting article

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited March 2008

    I saw that today and feel the column missed a point the writer was making: no one was listening to her.

    Yes, she should have been directed to wills, etc, but my feeling was that she needed to express herself to someone who would care and validate her concerns.

    The writer wanted it to be a caring family/friend, but that's not always possible, sometimes you do better with a professional who can offer guidance and less in the way of emotions.  I agree it's too much to ask of close family to be unemotional.  Others might be turned off if a family member was NOT emotional.

    Because when my mom died years ago and the docs wouldn't listen to requests to quit doing treatments and tests to her, my living will is very specific.  I list  what nourishment will be allowed, or not, fluids, pain meds, etc.  And NO artifical feeding of any kind: nasogastric tubes, gastric tubes, IV feedings, hyperalimintation, you name it.  My family has been made very aware of my wishes and has agreed to follow them.

    My dh and I got all that stuff done.  It was a relief to know my kids don't have to make decisions.  I  made a list of my valuables and such, and wrote it all down as to whom I want it to go.  and a list of things I wanted each child to have. (the family grand father clock: they have to flip a coin and the best 2 out of 3 gets that one.  the other kid gets the wall clock.   LOL)

    My mil had NO plans to even die, let alone make a list of who got what till she was up for a liver transplant and my dh, an only child, talked her in to stating her wishes.  She then did a great job of disposing her valuables in writing, to friends and family----but she listed nothing special AT ALL to her only child.  I have always felt that was terrible! 

    My daughter will discuss this sometimes,but my son will have nothing to do with these discussions.  That's all fine, we have it taken care of for them.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2008

    i agree on the missing the point...looking for people to listen and one step further, get beyond their own fears...

    that being said, i never thought of dying until i got cancer...

    <<I could die from this. I will die someday>>

    i am still wrestling with i will die someday.

    and know what i want....

    number one, dignity and ease....

    the article dropped off for me...a sound byte...

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited March 2008

    That kind of gives me more perspective.  I can understand the gal just wanting someone to listen to her. They're valid fears.  It's not like when we were in high school and had friends we'd talk to for hours - everybody is rushing around and busy keeping their own head above water.

    Accepting your situation is such a process. Living wills, detailed last wishes - I don't think anybody has a clue about that stuff unless they've been there or lived through it with a loved one.

    I guess it confirms my feeling that reading that column is a waste of time. She's got some cartoon guy who draws a picture with them so I'm always caught by the cartoon that runs with the column.  

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited March 2008

    Like the writer of the letter, I hated when people said things like, "I know you'll be ok."  Based on what info? I was very optimistic, but also very realistic about the possibilities.

    Had Hax had more intimate knowledge of having or loving someone diagnosed with cancer, she could have said that people don't always know the right things to say and suggested that the writer tell people what was helpful or what was not helpful. Hax could have explained that loved ones have their own fears and issues surrounding the cancer and sometimes people are just too close to the situation to have the perfect perspective. She could have suggested a support group or even family therapy. I believe that our loved ones want to do the best thing they can do for us, and mistakes or failings are not for lack of love, but lack of skill at being a supporter of someone with cancer.

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited March 2008

    My greatest loss with my diagnosis was my innocence of dying.  I have had to look my mortality in the eye and have determined that I will die someday.  Even at my advanced age of 59 when diagnosed, I'd never really thought of my mortality.

    It's a huge loss, that innocence.  I don't think anyone who has not been given a diagnosis that can kill you understands that loss.

  • Poppy
    Poppy Member Posts: 405
    edited March 2008

    I actually liked her response. The writer didn't say she was having trouble with support and understanding the cancer, she was having trouble with the people in her life denying her situation. When my dad tried to have this talk with me (after he was diagnosed with lung cancer) I blew it off too. I did the same thing this woman's friends do. I think the columnist was spot on about how "we" view death. I could watch horror movies all day long and be very entertained by death, but as soon as someone close to me has something scary happen, I either freak out or go all "Pollyanna" on them. This is an eye opening letter/response though. Should I be faced with someone asking for help making arrangements, I might be uncomfortable but I will do it. A good response might be, "You know, I should do that too. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed!" and coming up with a plan together might help the person from feeling so alone.

    Erica

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited March 2008

    It may be that posing a specific question - "will you help me give away my things" would jar your friends into talking with you about it. It would kind of knock the conversation out of vague generalities.

    I think having the conversation with a parent or older relative would be uncomfortable, although I find as my older relatives pass away it becomes easier to talk to my other relatives about.

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