continued Tissue expander pain!!
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Hanna, I am one who is happy with the new me. The new boobs are not identical twins but close enough to count as sisters. I had my first surgery last June, my exchange Nov 2, my nipples Dec 20, and my tattoos Feb 13.
I have a question for you Hanna, Where in NC do you live? I live north of Hickory in the foothill region.
Sheila
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Hi ladies, haven't been able to post. Crying for days now. I just keep getting smaller and smaller. I am a b cup. my old bras are large on me. as swelling keeps going down they are so small! I could have stopped expansions 6 weeks earlier than I did to get THIS result. I am just crushed, he encouraged me to go for what I wanted! and I am stuck now with smaller than I ever dreamed. Will be luck to be a full b cup. I just don't know what happened and it is not the size that has me sobbing, it is the pain I went through that i endured for that result....trying to make lemonade out of these damn lemons i had forced on me....all those nights of pain i couldn't sleep and i could have stopped and had these. it was all for nothing........
oh and i am done with the wood and have taken it easy all week other than working. called in help from boys and friend and haev just sat in chair working. Just typing for 12 hrs. Long work days are over tomorrow night.
the emotional stress is what is eating away at me now.
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Terri,
I feel for you, I think we are both in the same small boob club. But for me, I was never even an A so I can really feel for you, you at least had a chest before BC. For me, I guess I was hoping for the chest you all had already....does that make sence? My dh says they look fine, but like you said, with the swelling decreasing, so are my boobs! I guess I am just waiting...that what everyone says...maybe we should just hope they "fluff and fold" or is that "fluff and drop"? oh whatever... We just have to remember "we survived damm it" Who really cares what that flesh looks like, we can't feel anything in them anyways, right? And who says we can't exchange the exchange? I know that many women on these posts have said they were not happy and had them redone. We've already done the hard part, that was the expansion. So after you and I have done all our whinning we have to be positive, we may have had pain and sleepless nights, but if it wasn't for those nights, I never would have met you and all the other wonderful women on these posts. We never would have known that someone in Margaret's class thought there was a bone in the penis, that's why it got stiff and is called a boner!!!!!
So cry if you must, but remember to put it in perspective - are you crying about your boobs? or are you just tired and exhausted from work and overwelled like I get all the time. That's when I pick on myself, find the faults with everything and everyone, and then I get on these different sights, read that things will never be the same again, we had and will still always have bc in our blood. But we beat it for now, so it's time to "pull up our big girl pants" and as my daughter says "get with it MOM...you don't look 40 so don't dress and act like it" (if you need to borrow a 16 year old girl, let me know...their nothing like boys...boys are easier) Good night my bc friend...get some sleep, tomorrow is another day....and I'll be here for you....we'll be the itty, bitty, titty bc girls.
Till next time..
Sharon
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Bravo Sharon very well put!
From one itty bitty titty bc girl to another.
Denise
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Girls, now I feel bad for my rah-rah post up above. I didn't know you were all down about things. I'm sorry..
Can I just pass on a link that gives me a good feeling about smaller breast size? If you all don't want it here, just say so and I'll take it away...
http://www.eforu.com/gallery/katehudson/pic9.html
Yikes!! I just meant for the picture of Kate Hudson to come thru - NOT the links to those..inappropriate sites!!! OMG
OK, now I better get rid of it....PLEASE tell me what to do!
Edit it out or not?! Oh, this is so what I hate about the internet. Waaaaaa.
OK, just look at Kate and see how beautiful and sexy she is with her small breasts in her deep V-neck dress, then stop! She is what I wanted to be an inspiration for us - not the other links! Don't click on anything else or I'll get reported I'm sure. gulp.
If anyone thinks this is a not good thing will you please tell me?!
~hanna
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Hanna,
Don't you dare apoligize, we all have our moments....I am so pleased to hear that you are doing well. As for Terri and myself, I think it's too soon to make any judgements againts our ps or our chest size. Like I was trying to explain to Terri, any of us just have bad days sooner or later. What makes these posts so great are all the women who understand how we are feeling and their words of encouragement to help bring us back to "home base". So never say your sorry for something you are pleased with!!!!! And thanks for the new web site, I'm going to check it out next.
Have a great evening...
Sharon
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Sorry! Me or my computer posted twice so I just got rid of the second one!
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Hanna - Look for Polenta, it will work for grits.
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Hannah. Polenta also comes in a box or bag. Check where the flours are located. It's next to the Whole Wheat flour in my store. The tube is good if you like it sliced and fried.
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I know that I don't post too often, but I have to let you ladies know how invaluable your comments/responses, whether good or bad, have been to me. You all (or y'all, just move to Texas almost 3 years ago, been a Yankee my whole life from Chicago) are a whole step ahead of me (just started my journey of fills, 2 under the belt), but I've been keeping up with all your progress, your ups and downs, and your trials and tribulations. Look, I'm awake at 4 AM and I'm catching up on the last 2-3 days that I missed.
Jani - Thanks for your stupid question, but remember there are no stupid questions as the teachers would always say. I was wondering the same thing. I was guessing damn husband, but I like darling better. Mine has been just darling throughout this whole bc thing.
Jean - Thanks for the dh clarification.
Terri - I hope things are looking up and you are emotionally feeling better. This bc thing is such an emotional roller coaster, but you have the support and care of a lot of women here. This group of ladies is unbelievable! Give it a little time, but if you are not happy I'd definitely talk to your ps. You also need to give yourself some "you" time. You seem to be working way too hard. You deserve to kick it back.
Sharon, Hanna - You girls ROCK!
Sheila - I'm so glad you are happy with the new you. I hope to be there someday too.
Well, I've been awake for the last 2.5 hrs, maybe I'll try to go back to sleep.
Take care and I'll catch up with you later.
Sandy
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Sandy,
So you the silent reader of the posts!!!! Just Kidding....glad we can amuse you at 4:00 a.m. that's what I love about computers, they're always open, Kind of like Wally World, only you don't have to drive and buy something..You know there really nothing wrong with being an early riser, ask Margaret, she's the Home Shopping Network Queen! If you are wondering about an product on latenight television, ask Margaret first....she most likely bought it!!!
Now me, you can ask me about all the fitness stuff. Between my dear daughter and myself I think we have every gaget out there. We have slim in 6, the wonderful platies tapes, the ab loungers (which by the way I love) it's great physical therapy for the back and chest during fills, and so much more, so before you buy, post!!!
I'm glad to hear that you have 2 fills under your belt..I mean boobs!! Your now on your way to bonnafide turtle shell covers for boobs, oh how I remember the days like they were yesterday, oh wait, it was only 9 days since surgery!!!
Well the wonderful Michigan winter update.....we have 8 inches of snow in the winter wonderland of northern Michigan. But this morning we were blessed with of all things rain and ice.. Now it's slush, icey roads and fog. But tonight it's suppose to be heavy snow, so I will be blessed with the kids home again for a snow day from school.
Oh Hanna, I didn't know you were a fellow horse lady...me too! I have 3 big babies, My first is Aundrea' (the giant) he's a 18.3H Percheron Draft Horse. My big, black, baby!! I think he is the largest horse in our county. (at least that's what the 4H girls tell me) I've owed him since he just turned 2 and broke him to a saddle to ride. He's a great, smooth ride, but thank god I have long legs, he's like riding a double horse!!! He is now 6. Next in line is Cooper, he's 4 now and a beautiful Bay QH. He's broke but nothing to write home about, but like all three, super calm. Then last, but not least, my baby, Maverek, he's a TB. He just turned 2 and I've had him since he was 6 month colt. His momma wasn't well, and he was in need of a good home. So lord and behold, next thing you know, I'm making another stall!!! My DH still want's to know how we went to living in a big house on a lake, to living in a big house on 20 acres and he is now a dirt and mudd farmer!!! I say to him all the time "because you love meeeeeee
" oh FYI to all....DH is still sober and has been wonderful, he is back to the man I fell in love with 9 years ago. It was funny, yesterday he and I had my first girly day since my surgery, I was in desperate need of a perm and hair cut so he came with me and got his hair cut too, then he did his typical, fell asleep in the chair next to me while Ross (my hair guy) spent 2 hours doing my hair. What a guy!!!
Well all my lady bc friend....
Till we talk again.
Sharon
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Hi Ladies,
Sharon, I had the same experience in Wally World. Fortunately hubby never let me drive anywhere without him since the recon process and almost passing out in class in front of my students. WalMart bathroom....I'd rather throw up outside thank you! For some reason, the ones here believe the more flowery stuff you spray the better the bathroom smells...NOT! Flowers and poop aren't a good mix! Glad you were able to experience a bit of freedom from HB (hell bra). My ps told me I didn't have to wear one after a week and I haven't (YEA!!!).
As far as my new boob, like some of you, I'm not loving it. I had the exchange Dec 18th and I'm not loving it yet. I still have minor pain in the arm (probably from the snb) and rib area. They're far apart (I can get 4 fingers between them when prior to the mast, the girls were always touching...major cleavage!). Sometimes it feels like it's trying to migrate back under my arm (where the expander was all of the time). It looks great though; the reduction/lift side and the foob are almost identical in size. You can't tell unless I'm naked that the foob is rounder and a tad higher than the real breast. Then of course, it doesn't have a nipple and won't until I decide I'm keeping it. My 4 yr. old granddaughter takes pleasure in giving me a new "nipple" every week (I pick her up from school every Friday and she always brings stickers for me to use as nipples).
Jean, I'll pm you tomorrow. I'm stopping at the place we talked about on the way home from school and let you know what I find out. Your day is almost here!!!
Yall have a good night.
Margaret
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Thanks Margaret:
I think I have made up my mind. I have had it with surgery.
March 5th, it will be 6 surgeries in 8 months and that's counting the mast, reconst, and relocation of the PM (8 hrs) as one surgery. Coupled with previous surgeries that brings the total to 20 surgeries....ENOUGH.
I think I'll just get good and drunk and have the tattoos, after all isn't that the way the sailors do it? I will feel nothing!
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Sorry....posted twice again. Better figure out why this keeps happening tomorrow. Too tired tonight. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
~ hanna
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Hanna, I am orig from OH but moved to NC in 1975. I now live south of Boone in Hudson. I have not acquired the taste for grits, I like cream of wheat, found with instant oatmeal, the grits might be in that section also?
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HannaB,
Polenta in the tube is nothing like grits!!! My goodness, buy some on line to get the real deal!
I grew up in Lenoir, and spent many a fun day in Boone, whether at band camp at ASU or hiking in the mountains. That's where my roots are!
Sheila, my dh is from Ohio, and I have turned him into a grade-A grits lover! Fortunately, we can get them in most any diner here in town, so I don't need to make my own. Now, if I could just find some good country ham...
Anne, expanded fully and counting down to May
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HannaB,
Polenta in the tube is nothing like grits!!! My goodness, buy some on line to get the real deal!
I grew up in Lenoir, and spent many a fun day in Boone, whether at band camp at ASU or hiking in the mountains. That's where my roots are!
Sheila, my dh is from Ohio, and I have turned him into a grade-A grits lover! Fortunately, we can get them in most any diner here in town, so I don't need to make my own. Now, if I could just find some good country ham...
Anne, expanded fully and counting down to May
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Anne, my son loves grits and he said that he gets them on his Navy ship in Hawaii. I guess they try to accommodate all tastes. Though he does miss his Neeses livermush. When he comes in I make sure that I have some here for his breakfast delights.
Sheila
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Annie
Polenta in the tub is NOTHING like polenta....Believe me, I am Italian. I have no idea who came up with putting it in a plastic tube. It should be served very soft even slightly on the running side as all good Venetians know.
Hanna,
Try the cearl isle but also the flour. Here in Los Angeles, it is generally next to the speciality flour, Whole wheat, Graham, etc. The package I got says Grits or Polenta. It tastes much more like grits, as polenta is a much finer grind.
Horses and their pets
Boy this subject matter is way off target. I grew up in Arcadia, my HS was acros the street from Santa Anita Race Track. ONe of my friends kept her horse boarded there. When we'd go we noticed than many of the race houses had their own pets, a dog, cat, or even a larger animal. They kept them company.
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Greetings Ladies, from a very Ice Covered Michigan...
Hanna,
Bess sounds great, hopefully a two for one package! It is sooo awesome to watch them foal. I love Haflinger's, a friend of mine up here in MI breeds them. They are sooo gentle, like most Drafts are. That is so great about the donkey and duck, and as you probably know, you can never just have one horse, that's why you get the donkey, unless you like to do alot of fence repairs!!!!!!!You sound like your alot like me. I have 2 dogs, 1 cat, 3 horses and a killer bunny. Now here's my funny story on the bunny. His name is Benny, I got him from one of my students when he was just 6 weeks old for my Birthday. He's solid black. Now Benny had a huge cage, but one day he decided to jump out while I was cleaning it. Next to his cage was a huge dog run that I used to keep my St. Bernard and Lab during the summer while I would clean house, or make them dry off in when they jumped in the pond. Anyways, Benny decides he likes the dog run, so fine with me, I left him in there. He eventually digs his way out, just to tease the dogs, then runs back in. Well this has gone on for at least three years. I have tried to put other rabbits with him, and he just kills them all! He wants to be alone, unless he's in with the horses in their stalls.He now lives anywhere he wants. Now I live on 25 acres with woods and pasture, Benny could go anywhere, but just stays in the yard. I haven't feed that rabbit in years. (Horse poop is his diet!) The Lab and Puggle try everyday to catch him, but never do, he's the fastest, most clever rabbit I have ever owned!
Shelia, get ready for 20 questions - you mentioned that you did the nipple tatoo's, did it hurt? And how do they make the nipple itself? Did they just gather scar tissue? How long did you have to wait from after your exchange surgery? I was just wondering what my next step was, and what I was in for this time!!!! If it sounds like it sucks too bad, I may just do what Margaret does, and start collecting stickers!!!
Margaret, how sweet your granddaughter is....do you get alot of smiley faces? I actually told my husband I should get those for nipples!!!!! And by the way, our Wally World sounds like yours, and I wish I could have made it outside, that was one experience I will not do again, I'd rather have them do "clean up in Frozen Foods"......
Terri, where the heck are you?????????????????
Talk to to all soon,
Sharon
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Jean,
Did things work out for your with your insurance???? I thought I remember you saying that you were trying to move your surgery up a few days before March 5th?
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Sharon, no but I see my PS this week for my final fill. Iam hoping I can have these monsters removed ASAP...but it's only possible if someone else cancels their surgery date. He's too booked for now. Maybe my Cardio will tell him it's too much for my heart and get these things out.
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Hi everyone. Hey I live on 40 acres and have 5 horses (all quarter horses), 4 dogs, 4 cats, 12 koi in a fish pond, along with some wild bunnies, coyotes and a very white weasel I saw last week. My son rode a donkey in Egypt recently and really, really wants to get one when he gets home this summer (we are living abroad for the year)! My stepdaughter and her family are living at the farm caring for all my babies. It nearly kills me to be away them for so long! Can’t wait to be back for good.
It’s 1 week since my exchange. Still feeling very good. Some light bruising has emerged in the areas where he did the fat depositions – top and midline area. The incisions are sore if I press on them. I took the steri tape off today and will put on this silicone gel once the last of the stitches drop off – two have come off so far (they are dissolving). Not sure if you have the silicone gel in the States, but I do know you have the silicone sheet. I think the gel is better because you don’t have any tape to deal with and you can just apply a thin layer to the scar tissue only. This stuff is supposed to aid in healing and formation of a flat and more minimal scar. Not sure if its true, but what the heck at least it will keep it clean and protected while it heals. I think you are supposed to use it daily for 60 days. Otherwise no real change in them. I don’t think there is any swelling to be worried about. I am wearing the post surgery bra. It really is softer and more comfortable than any of my sports bras. I am sleeping on my back as the PS mentioned the deep stitches in the sides, and that for the first week no real healing goes on in this area. So I am just going to play it safe and not lift anything or lay on the area at all for a couple weeks. Taking my antibiotics, and multi vitamins (especially vitamin C).
I saw my PS on Friday and I have to tell you that I had it totally wrong. He put in high profile (Inamed style 20 600 cc smooth silicone) not low profile implants! But the thing is once the implants are in they look nothing like the ones in the box! I truly could not tell as the slope is very gentle and the projection does not seem to be way out there. Before the mastectomy my PS had me measure the projection of my breasts by placing my fingers under the breast. So before mast I was 4 fingers exactly and was a D cup. Now I am 3 and ¾ fingers. Not sure yet but I think that should be a full C cup, which is exactly what I wanted. Before surgery I tried so hard to figure this thing out about volume and projection and such. I remember Teri and several others asking these questions too. Well how frustrating is it that I can’t provide any information about this from this side of the exchange process. When I asked my PS about the projection issue he says, “Oh, that refers to the height while it is sitting on the table not when it is implanted with the muscles pressing down on them!” After having done all the reading and looking at charts and such had he said that he planned to put in round 600cc high profile I swear I would have high-tailed it outta there so fast. I thought these would look like Pamela Andersen – sheesh she must have something like 3000 ccs in there! He said that when he put in the 490cc medium profile and sat me up they were just “spinning in the sea”. He said that I would have taken one look and killed him. So even he who has personally seen hundreds of implants could not predict before hand which ones were right for my build and what not. I am sorry that this does nothing to improve your sense of security going in to the exchange, but it does mean that one should place even more emphasis on experience when choosing your PS and have a high level of confidence in him or her.
Oh, I will give my PS’s name to anyone needing it. I traveled from Norway to San Diego to have him do the mastectomy and recon because he was the one I decided I trusted after several lengthy interviews. To me it was worth it. I have to live with this body until I am at least 107!
For the person who asked about the hospital stay. I arrived at 7:15 am for prep. Met the recovery nurse, anesthesiologist, and had a long talk with the PS. Entered the operating room at 8:30. I think I came out of the operating room at about 12:00. Then stayed in recovery till about 3:00 – the recovery nurse had trouble getting the pain under control initially. She was using something that is not effective with me. Once she switched to Oxycodone it became quickly manageable. I then went back to the hotel room with my sister who took good care of me for the next 24 hours. By the second morning I was feeling pretty good, had a shower, went for breakfast, and to my PS for a checkup, and then shopped for a couple hours, I was back in the hotel by 2:00 for an afternoon nap. It is important to listen to your body though and know the signs of overdoing it.Good luck, Jean. I hear you are up next!
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Sorry, I got jetlag and can't sleep, and these are all the things I have been thinking about sharing with you. So rather than lay there just thinking about telling you all about this thought I would get up at 2:00 am and do it!
Sharon, I think your advice is good. That was exactly the conversation that I was having with myself coming up to my exchange. Whatever it is it will be the new me and, unless it is really unacceptable, I will grow to accept and be happy with it. Like when we were 14, 15, 16 we had no idea how our breasts were going to turn out. They could be too big, too small, one big one small, big areolas, too small or too big nipples, hairy nipples, or what not, right? At that point you just say, “Wow, this is the grown up me”. There was no, “but mom I hate my breasts, I want them changed now!” (at least not back then!). My friends and me were all proud of them –defects and all! So that was my attitude going into the exchange, but like I said within limits. If things were really out of whack I was prepared to go back and problem solve even if that meant another surgery. So I guess, if after some amount of time – like 3 months – you are still unhappy and by that I mean that you are worrying about your breasts often, or that you lack confidence in the way you look with or without clothes, I mean if its really affecting your social or love life then I would say find the energy to get in there and tackle the problem. Ask for a redo from your PS if you still have confidence in him/her or find a new one that understands your expectations and that you think has the skill to meet them.
The thing that I learned from my exchange is that you should not expect to look in the mirror and fall instantly in love with the new breasts. They really are new. They won’t look like the originals (not sure why I was so certain they would). It really is a process. The first time you see them you are just being introduced to a part of your body that is brand new. This was a very emotionally confusing first meeting for me. First utter shock – like this is not my body! Then yes it is, then lets see what is wrong with them, then I think they are okay, then but this isn’t me. I just stood there spinning. I just kept repeating through all this, “but this isn’t what I expected”. Luckily my sister was right there and grounded me with, “what are you talking about, they look great, I wish I had those boobs”. It turned out to be the right thing to say at the right moment. I then went away from the mirror for about an hour, then went back for another look, then another, then another, till finally I just set a mirror up right beside me so I did not even have to get up to take another look. I think that this is what the brain needs. Lots and lots of looking to understand that yes, these are brand new boobs on my very own body. The natural thing, at least for some of us, is to pick them apart and figure out what is wrong with them and that is really easy to do about any part of our bodies, right? You really have to be careful about this. Be sure to center on what looks good about them and I would strongly recommend having your best friend with you when you take your first look or two. At 1 week later doesn’t matter if I am in the middle of making dinner or in the middle of the night I pop up for another look. Yup they are still there, they still look the same, and these really and truly are my new boobs. I guess I am not only finding a way to accept them, and even though it sounds funny, I am actually falling in love with them! The point is you should expect a process that takes time and it really is not reasonable to expect an instantaneous identification with these new additions. Our original breasts were amputated. It takes years if ever for the brain to incorporate a lost body part into your image of yourself. So even though you don’t know it you really are set up to expect to see the original boobs appear and not these new ones that absolutely do look different. Come to think of it it is just plain stupid that they do not do some sort of counseling for us before the exchange. We will still feel the same emotions and confusion, but at least we would know to expect it. I was so lucky to have my sister there at that moment or I would really have been off on a wild tangent. Luckily it was not my husband – he has a way of saying the exactly wrong thing at just the right time to really shake your confidence –absolutely unintentional of course, just not very sensitive and probably just trying to be funny!
I actually think this period is critical to how quickly and how well you adapt and accept the new breasts. So I recommend spending some time thinking about this first meeting and actually planning it. Make sure you have someone you trust to provide a sensible voice and to anchor you. I expect that it will be a few to 6 months before I look in the mirror the way I did pre mastectomy.Okay its 3:00 am. I need to try to get a few more hours of sleep. Kids get this week off school so its nice to lounge around with them, though I certainly do have work building up for me. But I figure this is my week to recover. It will all be waiting when I get to it.
Nighty night ladies!
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Wow Jani, What an articulate, insightful self-analysis you have gifted us with. Thank you beyond words. Thank you.
This is so exactly what I and all the women need to know - hear - experience from another woman's experience.
Your sharing is so very much what we need. Your openness to sharing your first experiences as you become acquainted with your newness. Your openness to sharing your physician with us. My God I could cry that you are willing to share the name of a breast reconstructive surgeon who has the special skill necessary to do well this most challenging type of surgery.
Thank you from the bottom to the top and from the east to the west of my heart!!
~ hanna
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WOW Jani
You traveled from Norway to SD for surgery. WHat will you be doing for your follow up?
Yes I guess I am up next. I will have my last fill on Thursday, if we moved forward with that. My PCP called me yesterday, yes - Sunday - and said she feels I shoudl not have the last fill as my BP is so darn elevated. Surgery will be in TWO WEEKS, or sooner, if possible. My PS is booked solid, but if anyone cancels, unlikely, it will be moved up. I cannot imagine one more oz (cc) being injected ...I just want these OUT.
Good luck with your implants and hope you continue to feel well. Wasn't the flight unbearable? I know there is no way I could fly with all those pain pills. They all make me vomit.
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