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Bill Clinton Campaign Chair  Endorses Obama!

"David Wilhelm said in a conference call today that Barack Obama was more electable than Senator Hillary Clinton. "............

Joan---- don't look to me to explain anything about Hillary. Maybe she doesn't want folks to know the net worth of the clintons is upwards of $25 mil to the Obamas less than a million???? The Clintons have had questionable business ethics back to whitewater and have not been forthcoming until forced to be.

Shirley-- BASHING our country makes you sick? I feel sick that some support torture and are brainwashed by the war on terror/bush needs to get his ratings up. Did anyone hear Bush's opening to his speech yesterday, "goodmorning, all around the world terrorists are out to get us." He successfully manipulated the democrats to caving once again. BTW, I freely admit to bashing Bush, his failed policies and lies. I don't see what that has to do with your insinuation that that's bashing our country. We've heard your story about interfering with your daughter's friend's choice and fortunately that worked out well.  What makes you think that if she had gone for the abortion she wouldn't have been counseled on her choices and decided that without your interference. Believe it or not, when people go for abortions there's no one at the door cackling-- we've got another one-- lets hurry and terminate the pregnancy before she changes her mind. Just what evidence do you have that terrorists would love Obama in office? I realize you don't know any personally.  As for who would assassinate Obama--- I'm sure you're still aware that there is a segment of the population that is still racist (remember the Jena 6) and are threatened by the idea of a black president. He was the first candidate to get secret service protection because of the threats against him. Hillary had that protection before because of being an ex-first lady-- but hadn't had the level of threats against her. All it takes is one nut to assassinate-- remember JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm X and John Lennon among others.

Shirley-- if I didn't care about this country I wouldn't feel sick to my stomach-- waiting for election returns and be as close to praying as an atheist can get that Obama wins to save the soul of the USA. I probably care too much to let it effect me so much.

Joan your point about Rendell endorsing Hillary and his "owed" political favors is just another example of a superdelegate choosing Hillary with  favors owed. We can't know if that's the only reason-- but his decision is questionable because of his political debt.

I'm getting off this thread, b/c apparently Katie thinks I don't want her to post here.  That is absolutely NOT what I said to her.

I'm not about to let one mean spirited person ruin it for me on these boards which have been my life line for the last three plus years.

Here's  to a great election.  Have a good time with the rest of the debate.

I think this debate is getting to be a bit much, so I'm respectfully bowing out of it.

I'm glad that there is so much excitement surrounding this election.

We'll see how it plays out.

Katie, WHAT!!!

You Post any place You want!!!!!

If some one has a problem with YOU, let them go some place You dont post!

Goodness, Looks like the race is on

Go McCain!!!

Puppy

Cross Recalls Conception, J.Lo Pimps Her Nurseries and More Baby Talk

Is Hillary going to boycott tvguide.com and cause a stir like she did when the MSNBC reporter used the term about her pimping out chelsea?  It's a term that's been used in common language that means plugging something, not prostitution. I just thought it was interesting.

What the heck?

Katie, if someone told you to leave the board you should report them. That is just plain wrong.

Amy you are right on target- it is sneaky and appauling! 

Beesie and Beth why are you leaving? are you being told to also??

Come on peeps. I think we can have a discussion about politics without running people out of here on a rail. 

I would like to state that I admit I don't hide my feelings very well that I have about Mrs. Clinton. And if her supporters have been hurt by that, I apologize. I have tried to stick to the facts. I can't help it, I just don't like her and it really was made so much worse when she refused to help three women I know with BC who needed some higher up input and pressure. That kind of thing really burned me up. 

But we can all post without being reprimanded, can't we?

Specail hugs to you Shirley! I hope you don't go anywhere either! 

Amy's after me again..her quotes: 

We've heard your story about interfering with your daughter's friend's choice and fortunately that worked out well.  What makes you think that if she had gone for the abortion she wouldn't have been counseled on her choices and decided that without your interference. Believe it or not, when people go for abortions there's no one at the door cackling-- we've got another one-- lets hurry and terminate the pregnancy before she changes her mind.

How dare you use the word INTERFERE.  I wasn't "interfering."  I was doing what I thought was right for a CHILD.  In your way of thinking I can see you cannot understand how I feel.  I am proud to say I SAVED A CHILD FROM KILLING HER BABY!  If my child were going to do the same thing, I sure hope someone would come to me.  Amy, I KNEW her parents.  I KNEW they would help her. Believe it or not, I AM NOT A NUT who would picket the abortion clinics.  Have you EVER been in an abortion clinic or many abortion clinics.  I haven't.  How do you know they would give her good counseling.  I have hear otherwise (probably not all clinics).  However, I have not been to one personally so I won't state a fact that I don't know is true.  You and I have already had this discussion about this abortion.

"Just what evidence do you have that terrorists would love Obama in office?"

Amy, I have no evidence.  I'm just stating an "opinion."  He says he wants to pull our troops out pronto.  And that he wants to talk with terrorists.  He wants to play nice.  You CANNOT play nice with people who hate us as much as the radical Islamist do.  They've been attacking us for years, and successfully, and getting by with it.  Shall we just sit on our hands?   I, for one, do not look at Obama's skin.  Of course I know many do.  But as you know he's gotten MUCH of the white vote.  He's stealing votes from Hillary. 

Have a nice day, Amy.

Shirley

Katie,

I find it very surprising that any woman here would make that kind of threat.   What did she back it up with?  I mean, are you really afraid of her?  What could she possibly do to you?  You certainly weren't afraid to post about her!  BTW, who IS she?  Not anybody I know for sure.  I think we should all know about this.  Do the moderators know about this?

BTW, are you just here to post political opinions?  36 posts ain't a lot for someone who's already so involved in so much drama!

Just curious , 

Miz 

Thanx Shirley, I saw the profile, but there aren't too many comments that match up with it.

Miz

Shirley, I agree with you 100%, we need to identify who is making threats to whom..

Junie, you said it very well!  the thread has taken a turn and when we start talking about each other and (I'm so tired of hearing about Bush)not about the candidates, it really got boring and uptight.

Got a new promotion at work and havent been able to spend alot of time on the computer.  This morning I had a little extra time so have read everything.

Im bored with the primaries now.  Want to get to one candidate for each party and listen to what they have to say. I do like listening to the different views that are expressed here, but Im still not sure what direction Im going when it comes to the "real" elections.

I do think its sad, that a person would question another with regards to their breast cancer diagnosis.  Not sure how that fits into the picture Miz.  Actually I thought it to be hurtful. 

Amy:  Good morning.  Havent talked to you in a while, but always love listening to your perspective.  It gets me to stop and think about all sorts of issues.

Nicki

Amy, I realize that you didn't call me a radical Christian.  However, somehow I felt a little hint.  I am not radical.  I do not go around Bible thumping.  I am not judgemental  of others believe it or not.  I do not judge anyone who has had an abortion.  My adult friend had one per her husband's request promising to stay with her if she did.  We've never spoken about it to this day.  Her husband left her anyway for another woman.

I have no sources that tell me that women who go to women's clinics were ever "pushed" into a decision.  I only know what I have read and heard.  And how do you know SOME of those clinics are not a bit more pushy?  My daughter's used those clinics to get their exams and birth control pills when they were younger.  The decision I made those many years ago was not an easy decision. Like I said, I kept asking myself what to do and I did what I thought was best.  I do not consider that meddling.  I would only hope that if my 15 yo daughter was planning an abortion that someone would notify me.  Amy, abortions are quite safe.  But, what if.....And what do you think I can  learn from Tracy?....that I should persuade teenagers from getting an abortion.  Do not understand that statement.

I think we've beaten this horse till he's almost dead.  We differ in our opinions about that.  Do you get what you are saying to ME.  I haven't called you a person who believes in KILLING babies.  You have called me a meddler. 

Amy writes:

"I do not share your xenophobia and find the term radical islamics and islamic extremists offensive. Radicals and extremists of any ethnicity are the same and we don't need to single out islamics any more than we need to single out jews or christians."

How dare you call me xenophobic.  I'm sorry you find those terms offensive, but they are true.  And I think you are smart enough to know I'm talking about the suicide bombers, and the horrible, horrible people who send retarded women out to to homicide bombings (yes, I heard that term on tv and I agree with it).  Wake up Amy.  This is the real world AND there are people out there who want to kill us..our way of living...take away their freedom.  I am not talking about ALL Muslims who are of the Islamic faith.  I have no idea why you find that offensive when I speak the truth.  Just who do you think caused 9/11 and other terrorists acts against us.  Who do you think a few years ago were cutting off innocent individuals and video taping it? I find that offensive, sick, AND RADICAL!

Enough said, Amy.  You need to watch what you say.  You are "calling me out" and openingly criticizing what I believe.  I thought we weren't supposed to do that. 

Have a wonderful day, Amy.

Shirley

PS..I'm curious, Amy.  Do you have a PhD in counseling?  I'm not questioning your ability, just wondering....

Iodine, I think you hit the nail on the head.  Junie, I agree with you too...we were taught not to discuss religion, sex, or politics in "polite" society, but heck, this is an election year and there are some important issues to be discussed.

I think it is interesting to share views...and I think these things should be discussed..if we are to live in a democratic society.  A breast cancer forum is actually a pretty wierd place for this kind of discussion, but since we're all here, why not?!

We need to separate the issues from the people...political opinions are not personal attacks.  We need to have opinions if we're going to vote.

What I don't like is this idea that people are getting threatened for voicing their opinions...I'd like to know who is doing this and how...and I wish Katie would explain this to us because I find it a little hard to believe.  This is not about a political opinion, but about women being threatened on the boards and whether it is "safe" to post here.

Well, I got in what I had to say about Obama, I hope women can continue to post here without feeling threatened, and without being personally attacked.

Miz 

PS...I think this is an issue for the moderators and I am going to ask them to investigate this...