A new triple negative friend
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Hi, Poteet.
Thanks for the information. I stopped the Repliva because it was causing constipation and before that I was not having any trouble but my iron level dropped today before my last treatment (hurray!) to 29.6 for the first time. Did you have any side-effects with your dosage? I'd like to minimize the iron deficiency before my upcoming surgery if possible but I don't want to have the side-effect that I had (and supposedly repliva was far superior than any other anemia drug in terms of side-effects...).
Best, Christina. -
Christina,
thank you so much for the information. My tumor is right about the twelve o'clock position. My onc is nervous that it is too close to the nipple. I will be talking to my surgeon on the 29th and probably set the date for surgery at that time. My onc doesn't think it is in the muscle but then how do they know for sure until they get in there and take the tumor out? They will make sure they have clear margins before they sew me back up. That at least will save me one additional surgery. I have made up my mind in the fact that if the surgeon can not get clear margins without taking the breast then she has the go ahead to take it, then my concern would be should she just take the other one at that time as well. So many questions, no right or wrong choice, that is what makes it so hard.
Take care and good luck, Penny
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Hi my triple negative sisters. I was diagnosed grade 3 triple neg. with at least one visibly cancerous node (marble size). Yesterday as I struggled with the chemo vs. surgery first I read this entire thread. I was squeezed into Stanford's Tumor Board last Friday even though I was from another medical group and today I meet with Stanford's oncologist who is a proponent of chemo first. I am switching over to Standford from this point on and I think I have decided on chemo first.
Am I right that there is research that with trip. neg, they see more recurrances of distant cancers? Maybe that is from surgery first unknowingly followed by the wrong chemo...thus, no local recurrance (they cut that out right) but distant ones later. I'm trying to avoid that. I'm doing a mastectomy...the cancer spread from the tumor toward the nipple. I'm now thinking about having them take both breasts to never go through this again....
Reading your posts was a God send during a very bad day....any advice for me on chemo vs. surgery first? I have to decide by Wed. morning 1/30/08. -Meg
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Meggy
I also got treated at Stanford and got Neo Adjuvant first and had been advised by the Tumor board. I had to have chemo after surgery as well. I will send you my phone number in a provate message - and you can call me for more info.
Lali
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Meggy,
Since you've read this thread and the other ones in the foru I won't repeat my own dilemma since you know about my decision to finally go with neo-adjuvant first and then surgery. It all depends it seems. Several centers prefer neo-adjuvant (in the east coast, e.g. Johns Hopkins, Medical College of Virginia, in the south, MD Anderson--some of which are doing trials with neo-adjuvant so one has to stop and think why they are recommending it...). When I spoke with a professor of oncology at UCLA, he was not so much in favor of it, at least for my case. So you have to decide what you think is best for you and it seems you have. The thing you need to ask is whether you should or not have a Sentinel Node Biopsy before or after neo-adjuvant (huge debate over it but worth to know what your doctors think). Since I'm just about to do lumpectomy (if the pre-op mammogram doesn't show anything else...), I have to admit that mastectomy seems to be a relatively "easier" procedure to avoid the possibility of resection if no clear margins are obtained. I'm willing to take that risk but others are not. You are right in your reading about the distant metastasis versus local recurrence for triple negatives. We seem to "favor" the first. I have not regretted going with neo-adjuvant. The relative piece of mind of knowing whether a particular protocol is working for you or not was very important to me. I'd be curious to hear what chemotherapy protocol they would recommend for you and also what your ultimate decision about your treatment would be. I hope you hear some other opinions as well but again, YOU have to be happy with your choice based on what arguments you hear. Good luck, Meggy. I feel your anguish but hang in there. Soon you'll be starting on your treatment whether it is ab or ba and you will feel a sense of relief that you are working on getting better. Best, Christina
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In response to triple negative. I was diagnosed 8/23/07 with bc. I to have braca 1 breast cancer gene. In 9/07 I had biopsy of lymph nodes they were negative. I had a bilat masectomy 8/15/07. my tumor was stage 1. I started chemo on 11/30/07. At first my treatment was going to be AC 4 treatment and 4 treatment of taxol. Two day later my dr called and said they changed my treatment and said I would have only 4 treatment 4 of taxotere with cytoxal. Tomorrow 2/1/08 will be my last treatment. I will have 25 treatment of radiation. Good luck to everyone with triple negative we will survive this bc.
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Hi Ginny13,
How are you doing today? By the time you read this you may be finished with your chemo therapy. Congratulations!!!
Radiation is much easier. You just have to get into a daily routine and it is very quick.
Hope you get to celebrate tomorrow.
Warmly,
Sadie
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Congratulations, Ginny. It must feel really great to be done with chemo. I must admit that I didn't experience this feeling because I still have surgery to do and depending on the outcome, radiation. I was finally cleared for surgery today. I had an EKG that wasn't normal so I had to have an echocardiagram that showed a 5% drop compared to the pre-chemo one but nothing alarming (it may be the adriomycin or the lower red blood counts, who knows?). I'll have a mammo on Monday that will tell us where we stand and if indeed lumpectomy is the surgery for Wednesday. I'll let you all know.
Christina
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I finished my chemo on Jan 29th, yay, I am thrilled. I got to have it two days early only because I ended up with a blood clot in my jugular vein from the power port. So I was at the cancer center and asked since I am here already can I just get the last one over with. Now I am facing surgery. I meet with my pastic surgeon next Tuesday. I have decided to do a bilateral with recon at the same time. Then will radiation but I can do that, that will seem easy compared to chemo and surgery. I am ready for this thing to get out of me! I did neo adjuvant and the tumor did shrink but now it is time for it to be gone gone.
Thanks for listening,
Penny
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Good luck to you Penny. I'm almost one year ahead of you as I was diagnosed January 2007. I went through neoadjuvant chemo too, then bilateral mastectomy (immediate recon), then more surgery, chemo and radiation. Finished up Jan 9th, 2008. Get that thing out of you and move on to the next phase of treatment... you go girl! Good luck to you.
t
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Congratulations, Penny for finishing your treatment and congratulations also to you, Twink, for leaving this tough year behind you.
I just had lumpectomy surgery yesterday with SN test that came out negative so I didn't have any other lymph nodes removed. Although I'm thrilled with both the outcome of the surgery (the neo-adjuvant did work) and the SN test, I know that under the microscope we may discover residue, so I'm not celebrating yet. In about ten days we'll find out. Keep your fingers crossed for me. The good thing is that I feel great , had no pain and even did 1/2 hour on my bike today. I also did some of the exercises I downloaded from cancer.org that are recommended for after surgery (whether you did SNT or dissection). I'll let you know what happened with the pathology report in about 10 days or so.
--Christina
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Thanks Christina and a hopeful congratulations to you on the final SNB pathology. A word of caution though, on the exercising front. Take it very easy as the incisions settle down and heal. I think it's great that you're feeling so good, so soon after surgery and I'd hate to hear that you've overdone it too soon after surgery. Let us know how you're making out.
t
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Thank you so much for your advice, Twink. The surgeon OKed the stationary bike that I have been using throughout the chemo since it is for the lower part of the body and imroves circulation. The exercises that I was referring to for the arm are minimal ones that the oncology section of the American Physical Therapy Association recommends (elevating your arm 45 degrees 3 times a day with pillows, closing and opening your hand while it is elevated 15-25 times, and deep breathing exercises; here is the website for those interested in reading their recommendations: http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_6x_Exercises_After_Breast_Surgery.asp). I'm not going to engage in anything risky until I have properly healed.
--Christina
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Thanks for the awesome page on exercises.
My surgery was the beginning of May 07, I use the arm as normal but doing exercises like these should help.
When you first start do keep it simple. Another one my surgeon suggested it take a towel and put it over a door. pull up with the good arm while resisting a little on the surgery side. Then pull down with the surgery side. Also walking your hands up the wall like a spider is a good one.
I have some swelling in my had that started with Taxotere and has not gone away. It doesnt bother me but I do message it alot. I learned how from a physical therapist. Good luck to you.
My original diagnosis in April 07 was ER+, PR and HER2 neg. I went through Cytoxin Taxotere. Had my mastectomy (left side only) before chemo. I had clean margins, they took 11 nodes, only the one that showed on my mamogram was positive. I finished chemo August 10, 07. In mid October I found a lump on the left side, same side as mamogram with clean margins, same basic position only this time was in the muscle. I switched docs and had a PET scan. I found that I am triple negative. My ER was so low on the positive side that the docs at cancer board determined I should be negative. I now have mets to my liver and lungs. The new onc put me on Epirubicin, 5FU and cytoxin. Had 2 cycles and then CT scan showed shrinkage of the lungs no change to the liver then after 2 more cycles I had another CT scan. Lung mets had stayed the same but the liver mets were growing. I switched meds and started today with avastin, Carboplatin, and Gemcitabine. I'm feeling ok right now but we will see how I feel tomorrow. I will have the Gemcitabine again in 8 days and all 3 every 3 weeks. Kinda confusing schedule but I'll manage.
I'm a fighter. I'm only 38 and have a grandbaby (girl) that is due the beginning of April. I cant wait to spoil her, so I have to keep fighting.
Hope my story helps,
I have a blog at www.ocinny414.spaces.live.com if you are interested in reading my story. You might have to google my name for some reason the link doesnt work.
Good luck to you all,
CindyKS
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Hey CindyKS,
I see your from KS...me too....I'm in Wichita! I was diagnosed in Nov. I'm on a clinical trial with Avastin.
Just thought I would say hi
Teresa
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Hi, Cindy.
And thank you for the suggestion on the exercises. I'm having my post-op on Feb. 18th and if I don't need any further surgery and/or chemo, I hope to be cleared for exercising my arm.
I admire your courage and your stamina, Cindy. You are so young to be a grandmother (I'm 47 and I have just a ten-year old boy!) but I'm positive that you'll spoil your grandbaby girl in April
. I know all of us are rooting for you and we are sending all the positive energy that can be sent via e-mail to you. Please let us know how the protocol works for you.
Warmly,
Christina
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Hello everyone,
Hope you don't mind me joining your conversations. I stayed on the outskirts of this site for about a week reading comments and wanting to join. Finally took the plunge this morning but am still confused on where to post. Think I put my original comments somewhere in another room?? It seems compared to most of you I am an old timer to this cancer business but I still feel new to it. How did you find this site so early in your cancer journey? Wish I had found it earlier.
I did not know that neo-adjuvant therapy was even an option for smaller tumors. If I had I would have asked my onc. about it as my biggest issue now is how to know if my chemo actually worked against my cancer. Sure I have a negative PET after treatment but that could be from the radiation. Since it is the chemo that gets those bad little floating cancer cells it would be nice to know if my chemo took all of them out. Especially with 11/25 positive nodes.
I was diagnosed Feb, 28 '07; 3-14-07 had a mastectomy (left- no reconstruction yet if ever?); 4-19-07 started dose dense AC x 4 followed by DD Taxol x 4 (had to delay one treatment by a week due to fever caused by nuelasta). Took a 3 - 4 week rest then had 5 1/2 weeks (28) radiation sessions ending Oct. 4 '07. Since then I have been trying to figure out how to live with the uncertainty of it coming back. Some days I hardly ever think about it and others it is on my mind all day and night. I have read where some of the ladies here did not have a good response to AC but others did. All seem to have good response to taxol or taxotere. Hoping I'm one where AC worked well too. Does anyone know if the experts are adding anything to the standard AC + Taxol treatment? I know there are other excellent treatments out there also. There sure was a lot of information thrown at us and decisions to make quickly when we were diagnosed wasn't there? With grade 3 I wanted to get started quickly.
It was nice to be finished with treatment though and I know all of you still there are ready to be done. Hang in there as it does get better. I had a fairly easy time with my chemo due to all the other drugs they give you for side effects. Not much they can do for the fatigue though. Even without the anemia the fatigue was and still is an issue for me.
Hoping all is going well with each of you in your treatments and life.
Later,
Wink333
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Hi Wink,
Nice of you to join us (even though it's a lousy club to be a member of). I was diagnosed a little over one month before you and I finally finished all treatment January 9th, 2008. I had a bilateral mastectomy last June, with immediate reconstruction. I also did DD AC and DD Taxotere (February through May) and Carboplatin (August through October), capped off with radiation November through January. It's been a long year and I'm glad it's behind me. You're right the decision making is trying, the uncertainty about doing the right thing is so difficult. As for AC, I think the A is being replaced selectively with T. A little too late for me though. AC didn't do much for me at the time (AC and T were neoadjuvant for me) but Taxotere almost eliminated the tumor (from 3.5 cm to 2 mm). The carbo after surgery was for insurance purposes. I hope it pays off. I'm with you, some days I barely think about BC and other days I obsess. Time will help I believe.
t
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Hello Twink,
Thank you for your information. The T that is replacing A, is that the Taxol/Taxotere? Do you think they are treating with DD C + T now? I have seen several talking about Carboplatin and this interested me. I am starting the process of a post treatment 2nd opinion at MD Anderson; that is if I qualify. It doesn't look like I will but I am going to try anyway. I want to ask them about the Carboplatin and anything that maybe I should have done that we didn't. I see where others with stage I seem to have had a more aggressive treatment that I did and it worries me that I haven't done all that I can. I am trying to be more proactive with my treatment and my health. That is hard for me but I feel we must push for everything we need. I actually haven't asked my local onc. about the Carboplatin so in all fairness I probably should.
So you are a month out of treatment now? Congratulations! How are you feeling? Any more energy yet? My energy level seems to fluctuate day to day and sometimes minute to minute.
When I finished treatment I felt more lost than relieved. I was so glad to get out of radiation ( that was worse for me than my chemo) but felt like I should be doing some treatment, not just waiting around. I'm getting a little more used to the idea but don't think I will ever completely not worry. I always planned to do a second opinion, I just wanted to get started on hitting the cancer with something and didn't want to delay any longer for a 2nd opinion at the time. I am faxing information to MDA monday then have to wait to see if I qualify. Always more waiting isn't there?
What is your followup care plan? I did CT , PET, and blood work in November. Those were all good - YEA! Now just do blood work every 3 months. Is that close to what your plans are?
Time for supper so I better feed the starving people around here. Thank goodness it is pizza night!
Take care,
Wink
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Good morning Wink,
Yes, it's my understanding that A is often now being replaced with a Taxane, so TC instead of AC, followed by T. In my case, my second opinion resulted in adjuvant Carboplatin, in addition to the neoadjuvant AC and T. I was happy with that recommendation although it was largely at my insistence, since the onc said we are in 'uncharted territory here' (no study data to support this approach). I'm glad she ended up supporting the additional chemo. My local onc said no need for anything more, even though nodes turned up positive after the neoadjuvant chemo. My energy levels are pretty good although I haven't been doing much besides working, eating and sleeping. All in all, not that taxing.
That lost feeling seems to be a common one for TNBC patients. Our sisters have hormonal therapies available to them while we often feel exposed and inactive in the ongoing fight. I'm focusing on diet and preparing to get going seriously on exercising... that's all I can do at this point. I hope things work out for you with MDA. I used Johns Hopkins also in my search for more opinions on pathology and treatment, often felt like I was grasping at straws. In the end, it's good to know you've done all that could be done, knowing what you know at the time. There should be no looking back with this disease, we do what we can. The rest is a crap shoot.
My follow-up care pretty well follows the ASCO guidelines. Regular appointments (every 3-4 months), full history and physical workup, bloodwork but no scans. I discussed this with my onc and she said she was flexible on that point so I asked for at least an annual PET/CT. She agreed. My BS wants a regular MRI for the chest wall (can't recall if I mentioned that I've had a bilateral mastectomy with immediate recon/silicone implants/Alloderm). In any case, a PET/CT and MRI once a year, six months apart and bloodwork every 3-4 months is enough for me. If there was only some way of knowing whether there are any stray cancer cells lurking around waiting to set up camp... Oh well, I'm working on not worrying too much. I tell myself that I could ruin every remaining day of my life with worry or I can enjoy each day and live while I can. Easier said than done some days, but I'm practicing.
Hugs,
t
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Hi there I was DX 11/26 with ICD stage 2B triple neg Her 2 Neg Biop of 1 lymph node was positive tumor 3 cm My surgeon recommend lumpectomy
I agreed to participate in a clinical trial. I was placed in the standard treatment NeoAdjuvant Therapy I am having 4 rounds of taxtore every 21 days then 4 rounds of A/C every 21 days. I will then have surgery Rads will depend on how many lymph nodes are taken and come back positive
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Twink,
You said that "TC followed by T" Taxotere and Cytoxin? followed by what?
I am so confused about this whole "T" thing. I was told that Taxol and Taxotere are basically the same drug. I will be taking Taxol. If Taxotere is better why are doctors not using only it? I hate this whole thing!
Teresa
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Hello Teresa,
I agree about hating this whole thing. The doctors throw so much information at you so quickly that it all jumbles together.
I took Taxol also and it is my understanding that Taxol is a third generation drug (newer but more possible side effects) and Taxotere is 2nd generation (been around longer with fewer side effects). If my neuropathy(sp?) became too bad for me to take she would have switched me to Taxotere. Both good drugs, Taxol may be a little stronger but has more unwanted effects too. This is my understanding anyway. Am I correct Twink?
Any one else have trouble logging in today? I finally decided the site was too busy? Able to log on this evening but not earlier.
Good night all! May you all have a peaceful night tonight.
Wink
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Hello wvgirl,
How far are you into your treatment? Hope you are seeing positive results doing NeoAdjuvant therapy.
Wink
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Hi, everybody.
Wink, don't agonize over neoadjuvant versus adjuvant chemo. Nobody knows what is best and we all try to do what WE think is best for ourselves but I certainly hope we will all be here for many years to come to share good and inspiring stories irrespective of our treatment. For the record, neoadjuvant is not usually an option for smaller tumors but I insisted on getting it since clinically my tumor was 3x4 but mammo, Ultrasound, and MRI put it just under 2 cm, which officially is the cut off point (larger than 2 cm) to be considered for neoadjuvant.
As for taxol versus taxotere, both of them are equally effective with taxol having more reports with neuropathy (but you may want to ask for L-carnitine since studies in Europe and here have shown a good effect on minimizing and in some cases reversing neuropathy), so don't worry. I personally requested (yet again) taxotere because of a protocol of a clinical trial that I couldn't participate (the same that wvgirl is participating) that had Taxotere followed by AC in one leg, but I compromised with my oncologist and did AC followed by T after the researcher of the trial told me that the order doesn't matter that much. I did my surgery at Johns Hopkins, though, and I'm getting a second opinion from them once I get the full pathology report to see if there is anything else I could do. I did have a good clinical response even from the 3rd AC treatment but the pathology report from the surgery will tell me how good a response there was and if we got clear margins. I'm trying not to think about it since I was told it would be more than a week for the results. Like Twink, it is too late for me to ponder over the other combinations I read about but let's hope that what I got was sufficient.
Twink you can PM if you want about the doctor you saw at Johns Hopkins.
Best,
Christina
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Wink and Christine,
thanks for the info on taxol/taxotere. I just have so much going through my mind. I will have my 3rd A/C treatment tomorrow. I constantly wonder if I should be doing carboplatin but my dr thinks this is a good treatment. 4 A/C every two weeks then 12 taxols weekly. The reason I'm doing taxol is because of the trial I'm on. I am taking Avastin too. At least I think I am. Its a blind study. I find out at the end. I had 3/20 positive nodes and I think I should have radiation too but dr doesn't so I'm going to get a second opinion with a radiation oncologist. I just want to do everything I can. I don't know what my chance of reoccurrance is but I suspect its high....not really sure. I'm just having one of those nights that I'm so scared and I can't stop the tears. Usually I'm ok but every now and again.....I'm sure you guys understand.
Teresa
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Teresa,
I know how you are feeling. Last night I slept for 4 1/2 hours because when I woke up I had all these thoughts coming to my head...Unfortunately, as my former mentor said to me, we're in for the roller-coaster of our lives. As long as we are well strapped in
, we should be fine at the end.
As for the radiation, it depends on the surgery you had (lumpectomy versus mastectomy) and also the lymph nodes. Twink decided to have radiation although she had bilateral as you may have already read so it shows you that each one of us has to go after a second or a third opinion and finally decide with what will make you feel better. Hang in there. By the way, do you still have regrowth (I saw some of your earlier postings)? I had regrowth right after I started Taxotere so everybody is different, don't worry about it.
Christina
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Hello,
I was wondering if any of you stage III(a-c) triple negs. would mind sharing what treatments you had or are having. I'm just trying to gather information for myself. Thank you to anyone who responds.
Wink
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Wink-
I started my treatments Jan 4 ot taxotere every 21 days for 4 treatments This Friday will be # 3 after this I will have 4 cycles every 21 days of A/C(doxorubicin and cyclophosphamide)
then surgery then Rads My onc said it will depend on the outcome of how many nodes come back positive as to how much Rads i will be given. I know we have a higher chance of re occurrence and its scary.
I will see onc Wed I want to ask him if there is a chance we can have a MRI done to see how things are going I know I can not feel the lump as much as I could be for treatments began.
The only Se's I have had is Very tired week after treatment,mouth sores and some constipation. I have still been able to keep working praise god the Neulasta shot has not caused any bone pain.
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Dear wvgirl,
I am happy to hear that you are feeling pretty good so far. I will be thinking of you this Friday as you go in for #3. I'm glad you are still able to work. I was lucky and was not working during treatment except to sub on days I wanted to. It was nice to get out of the house though, made me feel better in many ways.
Let us know what your onc says about the MRI on Wed. It's wonderful that you think the lump is smaller! I will keep you in my prayers! Keep us informed.
Hugs to you as you travel this path,
Wink
Wink333
Dx 2/28/2007, 2cm, Stage IIIc, Grade 3, 11/25 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
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