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  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2008

    I tried to post this before, but it didn't go thru.  So goes my day today.  I think I need to vent and just see if anyone feels like I do, or am I just crazy.  I don't want to make this long, I just feel like I have wasted 2 years of my life on this cancer stuff.  I haven't had the chance to get to a point of where my onc. wants to see me every six months, I was hoping to be at annual visits by now. But its still every 3 months, and many tests in between.  With no conclusive results.  I had an appt.  2 weeks ago, I canceled it.  I had another for this next mon. and I just called and canceled it too.  Then they called me back and asked me why, I told them I was just burnt.  I told them to call me when its time for my annual MRI (since I had lobular).  Does anyone else feel like this?  Well, I retract that, I know we are all sick of it.  Has anyone else went on a "sabbatical" with their doctor, or is it just me????  Thanks for letting me vent here and any words of wisdom you have.

    g

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    g...I've done exactly what you did, cancelled the peripheral visits and just stuck to the absolutely necessary-for-safety ones. Last year, I cancelled a big one because they said they didn't need another mammo or MRI and I thought "WTH good can you do me then?" So my rule of thumb is that I'll see the medical or surgical onc every 6 months as long as they're getting some views and some blood. I never saw my rad onc at all once rads were over....didn't make sense to me.

    I've got a big one coming up next month and I've had a cough, so you know what I'm thinking. I'm gonna keep this one.....

    ~Marin

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2008

    Thanks for the input Madalyn! I cant pin point my feelings on this.  I do tend to be like an ostrich and stick my head in the sand.  I have issues going on, but I feel like what would be the difference if I didn't go.  I just want to scream inside.  I even went on anti depresants because I thought maybe I'm just depressed and if I take them it would make me change my mind about all this.  But it hasn't.  I suppose I should go back, but I don't want to.  What a mental wreck I am. 

    g

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2008

    Marin,

    I do know what you're thinking, and I will send some good thoughts your way!!  I never went back to my rads onc. either.  It was stupid.  So, I'm feeling the same way now.  I had some hot spots on my last bone scan, but he didn't feel concerned. I have a spot on my lung for a long time, but they leave it alone because its "stable." And my back is now hurting so bad!!  Well, I'll just take a break for a while I guess and see how things go.  If I go in and tell him my back hurts, he'll probably call for another scan, which will go to my out of pocket and add to my mounting bills, and then if its nothing, i will think why did I do that??  I think thats a big part of it for me too.

    g

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    I have graduated to every six months with my onc.  I do not see the surgeon (no reconstruction), nor the rad onc.  Just the med onc. 

    Sometimes I do feel like it's a waste of time.  No, actually I feel like it's a waste of time all the time.  And, like you, Little-G, this appointment will come out of my own pocket.  My insurance has changed and it certainly changes the way I feel about how often I need to see a doctor or anything to do with medical. 

    Our drive is a little over two hours.  But for now I'll keep my appointments.  I do have a question about my "slightly" elevated WBCs and Neutrophils (Absolute).  My primary saw no reason for concern..said it was slightly elevated.  However, my med onc will know if I should be concerned.  She normally does bloodwork once a year.  If she feels like she needs to check this then it'll come out of my pocket.  I HATE MY NEW INSURANCE!!!  Thank you, AT&T!

    Shirley

  • caaclark
    caaclark Member Posts: 936
    edited January 2008

    I think I am the opposite of all of you.  I am now on 4 month visits with med. onc. and 6 month visits with rad onc.  No longer see surgeon.  On the one hand I am glad they are spacing me out but on the other hand, once I see them and I leave the office I feel like I am charged up for another few months.  Well, until I have some ache or pain and then I think it's mets.  My oncologists do not do scans or bloodwork unless there are symptoms.  Sometimes I wonder if I should fake symptoms just to get more tests.  But then that would only make me more anxious.

  • Barb1953
    Barb1953 Member Posts: 479
    edited January 2008

    I still see my med. onc every six months-she comes in does a quickie exam and bloodwork-I went every three months until my 5 yr. anniv. then graduated to every six months. Hopefully, in another 2 yrs., I'll graduate to once a year. My gyn does a better breast exam than my onc.--I see her once a yr.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    Wow Barb,

    Im just a little over a year into this bc stuff and at my last appt in Oct they graduated me to every 6 months....he said we would stay with this for another year then he would cut me loose to yearly after that...I think it would drive me crazy to see them every 3 months!!!

  • florencedonna
    florencedonna Member Posts: 131
    edited January 2008

    My onc canceled on me, then I canceled on him, then he canceled on me again; so I went 4 months without seeing him.  I am now two years out, I was expecting to be told to come back in four months but was told to keep coming every two months.  When I asked if I could stretch the appointment out, he said "But I want to see my favorite patient".  Somehow, that wasn't a comfort to me. I am lucky though, I need a whole fifteen minutes to travel from my office to his office.

    I wanted to see myself in a new  phase; where I am through the riskiest time period for metastases and now it is time to focus on being healthy.  Seeing an onc every two months doesn't fit with my mindset.

    g- I was diagnosed in 2005 also but I am stage III and have a strong family history.  He wants to examine me every two months but no scans.

    donna

  • sahalie
    sahalie Member Posts: 2,147
    edited January 2008

    Little g I hope all the posts are some comfort to you.

    We all know what it feels like and the anxious feeling just before blood tests and the oncology appt. is huge.

    I just had my oncology appt. Friday and I was a nervous wreck.

    My BP was was up when the nurse checked it just because I was where I was. 

    Honestly though, I am so very grateful to be seen by my oncologist.

    Even with the nerves beforehand I too feel elated when I get good news which is what I got Friday. 

    All my tests were fine.  I go back in 6 months. 

    Any time I have questions I am able to email my doctor and he replies back within a day.  I get great comfort in that.

    I hope your reluctance isn't insurance coverage related.

    Anyway, I feel so fortunate I have a wonderful doctor looking out for me.

    I hope you can turn your feelings around and embrace the solutions to your recovery and get to those very important checkups. 

    Next month will be two years since I felt the lump.

    I had a bilateral mastectomy, chemo and the entire boat load of side effects. 

    I too focus on being healthy and my checkups sure do help as I walk out the door for another few months.

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2008

    Shirley - The ins. issue is so huge!  I think it holds a lot of weight with me as to what a waste of time the appts. are.  It seems like a big money scam sometimes.  Most of the time. 

    Caaclark - Yes, that is very opposite of me. Any test are just more money.  That's how I see it.  Not as a life saving thing, but as a money maker for the doctor and hospitals and all those in between.  I'm afraid to even mention anything anymore because I know I'll be in for some other test!!

    Barb1953 - Wow,that seems like a long time to go every 3 mos!  I am already burnt after 2 years.  But..I am not taking any meds either, so why should I have to go so often?

    jpann39 - I agree!!!  :-)

    Donna - It probably is because you are a stage III.  I have a strong family history too, my mom was also dx with breast cancer and ovarian cancer. 

    Sahalie - I do take comfort in the posts.  The information from all of you here has been priceless.  I try and take away something from each post.  I have to say that alot of my reluctance is insurance related.  I am self employed and pay for my entire ins. myself.  It's OK ins, but not great.  So, the out of pocket expenes are really mounting.  Everytime they try and send me for a test I just think if its really necessary.  And...since nothing conclusive has turned up yet, I think what is the point??  I suppose if my back starts hurting to where I can't get up anymore, then I'll go in.  Again, it seems like big money scam to me at the moment.  I'm just tired of it.

    Thank you to all of you that reply!!!  I really do respect all of your opinions and really do try and take something from each of you!!

    I wish us all well!!!

    g

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    Little-g, I know the big issue with insurance.  Last year it wasn't.  This year is a whole 'nother ball game.

    Why are they doing tests each time you go?  I mentioned to the PA that I had vetreous detachment and she responded by saying, let's take a look at your brain.  No one's looked at it lately have they?  I said no.  However, I still had my good insurance. LOL  That was last year.

    As far as tests ALL OF THE TIME I would be NUTS!  That's just me.  I'm an anxious person anyway, and that would just send me through the roof!

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2008

    Hi Shirley

    Well, I've recently had a chest x-ray, a neck x-ray, a rib-xray, a bone density and last week a vascular ultra sound on my arm.  That's a lot!!  Not including blood work.  I am nuts!!!  :-)  They wanted me to go to PT, but I can't afford it.  My ins. only covers 50% after my ded.  Its just ridiculous.  I don't think they think about these things when they suggest all this stuff.  But I told him the last time I seen him.  Just like with you when they suggested the brain scan...its just to much sometimes!!

    g

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2008

    oh, and how can I forget this one...I had a colonoscopy!!!  I think I intentionally put that one out of my head!! :-)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    Little-G, in the years past, like I said, I had wonderful insurance.  Had a $200 deductible.  All through my treatment I paid nearly next to NOTHING.  Then, AT&T bought out Bell South.  Now my deductible (dh and I have combined..before it was $200 a piece) is $2200 before they pay for pre-existing conditions.  They'll pay for an annual "well" checkup like gyn (if there's no previous problems) and primary physical once a year..we go twice a year..have to have bloodwork because of meds we take. 

    It sounds like your insurance is even worse than mine.  Paying 50% after you reach your deductible is horrible!  I'm TRYING to be grateful that we have insurance.  It's hard when one's retired.  Damn, this hit us hard.  I need to go see the LE therapist, but I think that'll be putting on hold.

    Good luck, Little-G.   

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    Little-G, I just came back after posting and saw your last post.  You made me laugh.  YES, HOW COULD YOU FORGET THAT ONE!!!

    Shirley

  • Kennedy
    Kennedy Member Posts: 2
    edited January 2008

    I made the decision early on that after my treatments (chemo and radiation) that I would only see my med onc if I had an issue or problem.  I have a mammo and MRI yearly and thats it.  Further testing and scans only serve to stress me out and remind me what I went through.  This helps me to feel in control and more normal. 

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited January 2008

    Sometimes I think all this tight coverage is CYA, and they are just used to doing it.

    I went every 6 mos after dx for 2 years, esp since we were trying to keep me on tamox and treating side effects with different meds.  My onc only does liver studies.

    I graduated to yearly after that.  Plus getting a mammo yearly on the remaining breast.

    It is really overkill unless you've had an agressive cancer or close margins on a lump., IMO.  and you know I got my medical degree from a gumball machine last year.

  • junie
    junie Member Posts: 1,216
    edited January 2008

    G--you obviously struck a raw nerve with a lot of people!!!   When I was dx with bc, had insurance with an HMO.   I know that HMO's get a lot of bad press--but, I must say I had wonderful care--and every doctor involved was in "the loop"...any visit I had from pc, surgeon, onc, rads--they each had my file and knew what was going on, and minimal out-of-pocket expense.

    ....having retired and changed insurance, it is a total friggin' nightmare!   I try to have all info from any test--x-rays, blood work--everything forwarded to all the doctors in my new "chain".    It doesn't always work smoothly--I know that we are our own best advocates, but I just get confused!

    I'm now trying to decide whether I really need a follow-up visit with oncologist, or go to pc for a chest x-ray and tumor marker blood tests and go from there.  Probably doesn't matter $-wise 'cause I met my 2008 insurance deductible two weeks ago!    grrrrrr!!!!

  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited January 2008

    In this case, I'm glad we have socialized medicine. It costs me nothing to see my onc..$7 fee that lasts for 3 months and I can see any type of onc in the cancer center for 3 months without getting a new form. I can see my surgeon for free because he is part of my "HMO" but I have decided it was a waste of my time (and his). I never went back to the rad doc after I finished rads. Never liked him and he was useless.

    However, I am over 2 years out since diagnosis and am now on the "every 6 months plan". Although she asks for no blood tests and no scans except for yearly mammo, I am happy to see her and keep a rapport with her so that if I should need her, she will not have forgotten me. I don't get nervous if I have no symptoms. I just feel it keeps her up on me, and my other medical issues I have. She writes them all down and I feel this is important. She also does a good manual breast exam and I feel she does it better than I do.

    I'm appalled, as I've said on other threads, about the insurance situation in the States (I'm American living outside of America, though). I know that I have a young cousin (24 years old) who has no health insurance and can't see a doctor for a cough because she can't afford it. I think that stinks. So far, nothing serious has happened to her but for all of you that have been diagnosed with bc..it's appalling to hear that some of you don't go for tests, visits or the like because it's so expensive. If I had to pay for all my visits and tests, I wouldn't go so often either. I'd never be able to cover the costs and still eat.

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2008

    @, but I don't remember much about it."  :-)

    Iodine - I had a laugh over the "gumball machine"  Well, I'm thinking its just as good as some of the "real" docs have!  I love your advice, keep it coming.  And I love gum ball machines too, so go figure! :-)

    Junie - I think this does strike a raw nerve with many people!!  It sucks that its so...I wish this was not an issue, but it is and its huge!  We do  need to be our own advocates for our health care, that's true, but do we have to fight every inch of the freakin way to get decent health care??  Do we have to go thru 7" stacks of paper every month to see what the ins. denied this time?  And 7" stacks of bills from the doctors and labs and yada yada and then find time to "stay positive" and keep fighting!!!!  The whole thing blows.  I don't have to tell you that.  It sucks that you've already met your deductible, but at least its out of the way.  I have a LONG way to go on that!!

    RavDeb - I think I consider you one of the lucky ones as far as the health care goes.  I happen to be a little opposite, I am actually a citizen of Germany, but live in the US.  Almost all my life now.  I was back there last summer and in hindsight I think I should have went to the doctors while there.  But I didn't.  The health care in the US absolutely, in my opinion, IS appalling!  I use to work for a big company, and pay a small fee each month for very good coverage.  That coverage is getting less and less for those people too, and their end of paying out is getting more and more.  The more younger people we see on here, the less ins. we'll start seeing.  My sister, who was 50 when she died, did not have much money and was using the states health ins.  She had high blood pressure for most of her life, as did my dad and myself as well, they would not refill her prescription because she needed to go in and see the doctor again, which she couldn't do for another month, because this is how back logged they are, and she died of a heart attack.  I can go on about this, but I'd take up to much space.  My point is this needs to change.  I can't suck up every last dime my family has to get some test that may or may not show something.  At this point it dosn't make sense.  You're right Ravdeb, for some people it does mean having a test or eating???  Hmmm......I think eating!

    OK, I've struck a nerve with myself!  :-)

    g

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited January 2008

    I finished chemo (A/C) in May, 2007 and have seen the med onc once for the one-month checkup, when they DID do blood work, then again early this month, when there was NO testing.  I asked about it and my onc said I would be "followed" but there would be no testing of any sort except for mammos yearly. 

    When I questioned having to see her again, since I'm beeing seen by the bs and my pcp, she said if I didn't see her at least once a year and something happened in, say, year 8 or 10, how would she know who I was?  Huh?  Anyway, she consented to seeing me once a year instead of every 3 or 6 months as long as my bs and pcp were examining me.  They, BTW, do nothing but a feel up and a how are you. 

    So, I guess I will go along with the once a year thing with her, once a year with the bs and once a year with the pcp, probably staggering them for the benefit of the booby feel up.

    I really don't want to go, either, but feel I need to maintain a life-line in case there is some wonderful, new development in diagnosis/treatment of bc.  I want benefit of that.

    BTW, my blood pressure bumps up when I visit the oncs.  Anywhere from 160 to 190 over 80.  At other times, like at the pcp and regular checks, it's very normal, the last reading at 126/74.  It's even been 115/70 recently.  So, no BP meds for me.  Go away, meds.

    Tina

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    Well, Little-G, you've helped us vent.  I was so spoiled before the insurance change.  Have any of you ever seen an insurance building that looked dilapidated?  Me neither.

    HAHAHAHA, Dotti.  Loved the gumball degree.

    Tina, I see my onc twice a year.  Guess why my gyn said.  He said since Dr. Kimmick checks my breast (she takes care of that) that he wouldn't.  I was shocked.  I think he's acting up a bit because I faxed he and his secretary a letter telling them of how miserably they failed me in getting my appointment with a surgeon when I called about my possible bc...had mammo and US.  I had not seen him in three years.  Next time he will not get by with NOT checking my breast.  I think that's one of the things he supposed to do.  He does one of the best breast exams I've ever had.  If he doesn't want to do it..hmmm...perhaps I need to seek medical help elsewhere.

    Shirley

  • gsg
    gsg Member Posts: 3,386
    edited January 2008

    i've been cancelling appointments right and left.  i did see my onc this month (after they called me when i missed an appt).  he said i really should go see my radiaction onc for the 1-year visit, which should have occurred in december, but i'm not.  it seems unnecessary.  i was also disappointed to learn i have to see him every 6 months as long as i'm on arimidex.  once a year seems good enough, if i'm not having problems.  i talked him into prescribing my asthma meds for me so i could skip my GP doctor visit.  I wonder if my onc would give me a pap in 6 months?  LOL.

    i will go in for my mammo and ultra sound, but other than that, i'm going to be noncompliant for a while. Innocent

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited January 2008

    gsg....seems to be a theme here, especally where rad oncs are concerned!!  I don't think anyone has said they went back for any more than a couple of intitial visits.  Mine would look at me and when I said, hey..it really hurts right here...he would get this puzzled face and say "well, it shouldn't"  yeah...that was worth the 200 bucks!  I'm glad I'm not alone in my feelings on this!  But it also says they need to change the way the "do business" if they want all our insurance and non-insured dollars!!  BTW...on the pap....good luck!  :-)

    g

  • mke
    mke Member Posts: 584
    edited January 2008

    I will be a sort of dissenting voice.  When I had BC in 98 it was just a lumpectomy and rads.  My surgeon promptly left for Saudi Arabia so I was followed up by my radiation onc for years while on tamox.  I don't remember the frequency, 6 months for a while then yearly.  He was the one who had the pleasure of telling me that I had BC again in the other breast.  After another round of BC and radiation plus chemo the rads doc and I decided that we didn't need to see each other anymore.  It was an amicable breakup. 

    I tried to have a similarly friendly parting from my surgeon when I saw him 6 months ago and got good news about my right mammo (the more recent side) and he ordered mammos of both sides in 6 months.  I said I didn't have to see him because I would be seeing my medical onc shortly after the mammos.  I think he was a little offended. 

    I did see him again, a few days ago, after I saw the medical onc.  The mammos that he ordered showed yet another tumour.   I don't think he remembered he was offended.  We joked (really) and decided on a bilateral mast.

    I don't remember jack either gsg, but as I recall you and I were kind of synchronous (sp?) on my last round.  Don't cancel too many appts.

    I really don't want to scare you - but get checked regularly OK?

  • gsg
    gsg Member Posts: 3,386
    edited January 2008

    mke:  i am so sorry you're going through this crap again and thank you for your caring words to me. 

    trust me, i'm not going to play fast and loose with my health, but i feel like getting a mammo and ultra sound yearly and then an MRI six months following that every year, plus, seeing my onc every six months, thyroid doctor every 6 months, with blood checks every 2 to 3 months, and a yearly visit with my breast surgeon seems like enough.  next month i'm scheduled for a bone scan and a colonoscopy and endoscopy. 

    i'm not sure what my radiation oncologist would do other than examine my breasts and ask me how i'm feeling.  my onc and breast surgeon and all those tests are already examing my breasts.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    Hmmmm....no one suggested I had to continue seeing my surgeon or rad onc.  I had a mast with no reconstruction.  My med onc checks my remaining left breast and right chest and pokes around on my tummy and checks for nodes.  I'm glad I don't have to see all the other doctors.  I see my primary every six months and gyn once a year.  That's enough!

    Shirley

    Oh, and I see the dentist.  Laughing

  • levogs
    levogs Member Posts: 17
    edited January 2008

    I was diagnosed with breast cancer in Aug. 2004.  I had IDC, stage 1, er/pr+, grade 3, bilateral mastectomy.  I am currently on Arimidex. I was just moved to every 6 months at the onc. from 4, I see the breast surgeon every 6 months for a mammogram and ultra sound, gyn yearly for exam and trans vaginal ultrasound.  I get blood work every 6 months at the onc. and will go this week for a yearly chest ct.  I used to have a bone scan but she said I do not need it this time.  I was thrilled to be moved to six months and I am also very sick of these appointments.  I am the only person I know who has a mammogram and ultra sound and had a bilateral mastectomy. It is all very frustrating.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2008

    Levogs, how do they do a mammo without breasts?  I can see doing the US.

    My onc only does blood work once a year.  But my primary twice a year because of meds I'm on.

    Shirley

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