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Believe me, I wouldn't listen to Kerry if I were a democrat.
Hey, we could have eight years of Hillary (and Bill), and then eight more years of Chelsea.
I don't know who I'm going to vote for. I would like to feel like someone is telling me the truth. My ears shall remain open.
Shirley
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JMO--If you put McCain's CV against any of the other candidates, their CV's all pale in comparison--he's been in the Senate since time immemorial. I remember him from the days of the Keating Five. But that was so long ago, I doubt that it has any glue left. But I don't think for any of the candidates that it's their CV's that will make or break them. It's all rather fascinating, and I'm having a good time. Not sure if the candidates are.
Aside from all this political stuff. About BC and insurance. I was very concerned when I was told I was HER2+ that I wouldn't get herceptin--at least I was told this by my provider when I called to inquire. They said it would cost me $7,000+ a month. i was getting ready to return to Italy where I would have gotten it under national health, but then my oncologist got it approved here in NY; he told me it was because I live in New York State, which has placed certain restrictions on the insurance companies requiring them to fund meds like herceptin for BC. He also said that if I were living in another state that it probably wouldn't have been approved because of the size (5mm) and because I was node negative. Happily, I received it for a year and at no cost to me!
You sound very proactive so you've probably already called the New York State Insurance Department about the insurance companies you mentioned earlier, but if not, it's located on Williams Street in NYC, or it used to be. It's pretty good at resolving insurance disputes.
I hate insurance companies!
Shirley--I like Chelsea but in eight years, will she be 35? If not, I doubt the Clintons could get a constitutional amendment passed in time for Chelsea to run.
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I feel refreshed and energetic after Obama's big win in SC, not just because Obama won, because I believe it sent a message to the Clintons that their brand of trying to get Hillary elected is unwanted. Obama's speech after winning was electrifying!
How about Caroline Kennedy saying Obama is the first candidate that's like her father she can vote for in the NYT.
A President Like My Father
OVER the years, I've been deeply moved by the people who've told me they wished they could feel inspired and hopeful about America the way people did when my father was president. This sense is even more profound today. That is why I am supporting a presidential candidate in the Democratic primaries, Barack Obama.
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Times Topics: Barack ObamaMy reasons are patriotic, political and personal, and the three are intertwined. All my life, people have told me that my father changed their lives, that they got involved in public service or politics because he asked them to. And the generation he inspired has passed that spirit on to its children. I meet young people who were born long after John F. Kennedy was president, yet who ask me how to live out his ideals.
Sometimes it takes a while to recognize that someone has a special ability to get us to believe in ourselves, to tie that belief to our highest ideals and imagine that together we can do great things. In those rare moments, when such a person comes along, we need to put aside our plans and reach for what we know is possible.
We have that kind of opportunity with Senator Obama. It isn't that the other candidates are not experienced or knowledgeable. But this year, that may not be enough. We need a change in the leadership of this country - just as we did in 1960.
Most of us would prefer to base our voting decision on policy differences. However, the candidates' goals are similar. They have all laid out detailed plans on everything from strengthening our middle class to investing in early childhood education. So qualities of leadership, character and judgment play a larger role than usual.
Senator Obama has demonstrated these qualities throughout his more than two decades of public service, not just in the United States Senate but in Illinois, where he helped turn around struggling communities, taught constitutional law and was an elected state official for eight years. And Senator Obama is showing the same qualities today. He has built a movement that is changing the face of politics in this country, and he has demonstrated a special gift for inspiring young people - known for a willingness to volunteer, but an aversion to politics - to become engaged in the political process.
I have spent the past five years working in the New York City public schools and have three teenage children of my own. There is a generation coming of age that is hopeful, hard-working, innovative and imaginative. But too many of them are also hopeless, defeated and disengaged. As parents, we have a responsibility to help our children to believe in themselves and in their power to shape their future. Senator Obama is inspiring my children, my parents' grandchildren, with that sense of possibility.
Senator Obama is running a dignified and honest campaign. He has spoken eloquently about the role of faith in his life, and opened a window into his character in two compelling books. And when it comes to judgment, Barack Obama made the right call on the most important issue of our time by opposing the war in Iraq from the beginning.
I want a president who understands that his responsibility is to articulate a vision and encourage others to achieve it; who holds himself, and those around him, to the highest ethical standards; who appeals to the hopes of those who still believe in the American Dream, and those around the world who still believe in the American ideal; and who can lift our spirits, and make us believe again that our country needs every one of us to get involved.
I have never had a president who inspired me the way people tell me that my father inspired them. But for the first time, I believe I have found the man who could be that president - not just for me, but for a new generation of Americans.
Caroline Kennedy is the author of "A Patriot's Handbook: Songs, Poems, Stories and Speeches Celebrating the Land We Love."
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Well I just had to come and check in. When I fell asleep it was a battle for second place between Hillary and Edwards. Wondered what the impact would be if Hillary came in 3rd.
Amy: Thanks for posting what Caroline Kennedy said. Gosh, I can still picture her as the little girl in the pictures after JFK's assassincation.
Gina: Health care and the war are my top priorities. I still havent quite figured out who has the best plans. But I sure am enjoying this election year. More than I ever did before.
Nicki (aka chemosabi)
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I've always loved Caroline, she's got so much grace and dignity. The morning shows are saying her Uncle Ted is on the verge of endorsing Obama as well.
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Yes, it was a very uplifting speech Amy. He has shown such restraint because I think he is at his core a very good person and above the down in the mud kind of politics that is being thrown at him.
Bill Clinton has not only tarnished what was left of his image, but he has had a direct negative impact on his wife's campaign and he is making a mockery of the Democratic party.
This will directly effect how the public views them as potential candidates. I use that term THEM because they will be electing BOTH of them. Can you imagine the poor schlub who will be VP?? His/her position will be relegated to holding their water bottles.
I have to say, Obama's Got Hope? message is ringing louder and clearer for everyone. Even Republicans like the guy.
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Hahahahaha Im laughing here because there is no doubt about it in my mind at least. If Hillary gets the nomination we will be electing "the couple." But then didnt it seem like Hillary ran the office when Clinton was president?
Some people like the idea of "the Clintons" and some dont. It will be interesting to see where all of this goes.
Nicki (aka chemosabi)
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Gina, I live on Philly's Main Line.It is a pure repug bastion.My building is right in midst of it all.There are many colleges here, 2 Ivy League:Bryn Mawr, and Haverford.These kids are "normal" college kids and Dems.
But there is huge, very wealthy playground Villanova.And these kids are still riding around with bush stickers on their Hummers.
Anyway, I have an Obama bumper sticker on my car, and I own several buttons(today I wore a rectangular one wth a beautiful picture of him smiling).
And SO many of my repug neighbors want to speak about him-his magneticism, intelligence, and that if he wins the nomination, how trhey will vote for him!
It is amazing to me, because usually repugs do not get involved w/our candidates.But, as Caroline says (thanks, Amy, that's beautiful!)Obama is so compelling that many Republicans will support him, including old-line repugs who are actually breaking the mold for the first time.
Anyone who has seen him speak can feel how compelling he is.
For myself, I definately feel that HE is what the country needs after the 8 years of being flushed down the toilet.Nobody can fast-FIX this country after what bush has done.But while he is fixing it, Obama will be speaking calmly to us, in his delightful voice, and making us feel calm and....hopeful.
It has been said to me by Reps and Dems alike that giving the nom to Hillary (especially after this incredable , disrespectful act with Bill)will be handing the country to McCaine.(I have said I will vote for him before voting for HRC.)I'm wondering if McCaine is banking on hillary bullying her way to the nomination, so he will be elected president!
Hello Anneshirley.Do you work for Hillary's campaign?I ask because I saw your EXACT words about her on HRC's wesite!
Do you realize IMO means "In My Opinion"?
The member whom you keep referring to as IMO is NoSurrender.
I guess everyone thinks you are being polite!(NS did end her post, politely, with IMO.)
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I would like to ask about this.
I was doing a lot of web-surfing last night.I read at NYT that(the two Democratic embarrassments) Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton, ae having opinions about Obama and his platform.
And Jessie said (it sounds like I'm telling a joke, but I'm NOT!This is something I read!)Jessie's opinion is "He's gotta stop acting like he's white."
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This SO took me aback, outrage aside.
Excuse me, but Barack is the PERFECT example of a REAL African-American.
And he IS half-white!
Can anyone see why Obama should not "act like he's white"?
(Does he mean being well-educated?
Being a senator?
Running for president?
Being an honest man?
This is SUCH an insult to black people!!!)
Or maybe someone can explain to me what Jackson meant when he said Obama needs to stop acting like he's white.
Sign me--Completely mystified
PS-I HAVE noticed that hillary continuously refers to him as "Barack" while he always calls her "Mrs Clinton."
I was insulted, and thinking it is so "Miss Anne" until I realized that Hilary is trying to imply familiarity, while Barack refuses to use her name for the same reason-so as NOT to imply friendliness.
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Joan, you are correct. Obama kept race out of it and ran as a candidate- Not the black candidate. It only became an issue when the first blow about MLK,jr was brought up and then when after his brilliant win last night the first person to speak from the Clinton camp, was not the candidate herself conceding the race, but it was a red faced Bill dismissing the win by lumping Obama in with the likes of Jesse Jackson, code for bringing up yet again, that Obama is nothing but a black candidate who will not win.
The insult is even worse, because Obama is so far removed from men such as Jesse Jackson that it really was an unfair comparission.
Mrs. Clinton delivered her concession speech later from Tennessee... with a bit of a southern accent.
This just in: Ted Kennedy Endorses Obama
Ted Kennedy embraces Obama
By: Mike Allen and Carrie Budoff Brown
January 27, 2008 05:55 PM ESTRejecting a personal entreaty from President Bill Clinton, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) plans to endorse Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) for president in a joint appearance on Monday, Democratic sources said.
The embrace provides a dramatic rocket for Obama to ride into the frantic, nationwide campaigning ahead of the spate of Super Tuesday primaries on Feb. 5, the biggest day for nominating contests in U.S. history. Caroline Kennedy, the senator's niece and the daughter of President John F. Kennedy, will also appear at the rally, the sources said.
Democrats said the endorsement will help Obama with traditional Democratic groups where Clinton has been strong — union households, Hispanics and downscale workers.
Also, the nod by the most experienced member of the Senate adds significant standing to Obama, who is working to prove he has the experience necessary to be president.
The announcement stunned Senate colleagues, who had expected Kennedy to remain neutral until the increasingly vitriolic nominating contest with Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) settled out.
“This is the biggest Democratic endorsement Obama could possibly get short of Bill Clinton,” said a high-level Democrat.
The Clinton campaign launched a last-ditch effort over the last few days to stop Kennedy's move, orchestrating a flood of phone calls to Kennedy from sources ranging from union chiefs to his Massachusetts constituents. The former president also called Kennedy in a vain attempt to keep him out of the race, a source familiar with the conversation said.
During his two terms in the White House, President Clinton made repeated overtures to the Kennedy family. So the senator’s rejection of his wife is at least as embarrassing as her 28-point loss in the South Carolina primary on Saturday.
Kennedy is set to appear with Obama at the “Stand for Change” rally the campaign is holding at American University in Washington, D.C., at lunchtime on Monday, the sources said.
For months, former aides to President John F. Kennedy and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy showered praise on Obama, describing him as the heir to the Kennedy mantle.
But when Politico reviewed the Kennedy family’s endorsements and campaign contributions in December, reporters found a house divided.
A tangle of longstanding political ties, friendships and gut feelings caused the Kennedys and those closely identified with them to scatter across the primary field.
Old hands to President Kennedy and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy came out for Obama, in part because he reminded them of the charismatic brothers. One of the former advisers, Harris Wofford, said Obama “touches my soul.”
“For me, no one has done that since John, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King,” Wofford said in December. “I waited a long time to have that feeling.” But Hillary Rodham Clinton picked up more direct support. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend and her sister, Kerry, have hit the trail for her. The Kennedy family, including Caroline Kennedy and her husband, Edwin, had sent more than $15,000 to Clinton. (Obama had received more than $9,000 from family members.)
Eunice Kennedy Shriver and a half-dozen other family members put money on Sen. Christopher Dodd, who is very close with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and has known the family for decades.
With Dodd out of the race, the constraints for Sen. Kennedy had likely diminished.
Word of Kennedy’s planned endorsement leaked the same day that his niece, Caroline Kennedy, endorsed Obama with a New York Times Op-Ed headlined, “A President Like My Father: Obama will inspire a new generation of Americans.”
“I have never had a president who inspired me the way people tell me that my father inspired them. But for the first time, I believe I have found the man who could be that president – not just for me, but for a new generation of Americans,” she wrote.
The Kennedy endorsement is likely to give Obama a lift among Hispanic voters because of Kennedy's passionate advocacy of immigration legislation. The Obama campaign, which lags far behind Clinton among Hispanic voters in national polls, is likely to prominently display the endorsements by both Kennedys in Latino communities.
The disclosure also comes the same weekend that the House's highest-ranking Latino, California Rep. Xavier Becerra, also announced that he is backing Obama.
Obama was coy about the upcoming endorsement when ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked him about it on “This Week.”
“I'll let Ted Kennedy speak for himself,” Obama said. “And nobody does it better. But obviously, any of the Democratic candidates would love to have Ted Kennedy's support. And we have certainly actively sought it.”
The Republican National Committee piled on, issuing a statement saying: “Senator Kennedy’s rejection of his friend and colleague is a stunning blow to Clinton’s campaign.”
Clinton aides today downplayed the significance of the endorsement.
“She has a great deal of respect for Sen. Kennedy and is very proud of all the endorsements she's received from her Senate colleagues,” said Doug Hattaway, a Clinton spokesman. “At the end of the day, the voters are going to choose a candidate on their merits, not on their endorsements.”
Politico’s Chris Frates, John F. Harris, Martin Kady II and Ben Smith contributed to this report.TM & © THE POLITICO & POLITICO.COM, a division of Allbritton Communications Company
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I thought my husband and I, and the folks in Massachusetts, were the only ones who admired Ted Kennedy, a great statesman. So happy to find someone else who does. The world improves.
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Joan--Her title is Senator Clinton; however, in every debate I've watched, he calls her Hilliary, which makes sense since they work together. Can you tell us at what debate he called her Mrs. Clinton? Curious!
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No, Joan, I don't work for Senator Clinton's campaign. I'm a novelist. Actually, I thought the signature was "JMO" (old eyes, I guess). And yes, I was trying to be polite. When I can, I address a person by her name or title. I assumed JMO was "Nosurrender's" initials. I don't know her name. And I didn't know IMO was "In my opinion." I assume if someone posts, it is her opinion unless otherwise noted.
Jesse Jackson was the first black man to run for president and the first black man that I had the honor to vote for. I was an independent but joined the Democratic party to vote for him in the New York Primary. Because of men like Reverend Jackson and Reverend King and the work they did to obtain voting and civil rights for all African-Americans, Barack Obama may be our next president. I sincerely don't think it's beneficial to Senator Obama or his chances (and if I read his character correctly, I doubt he'd approve) for any of us to use his candidacy to bash other blacks.
I've been in the midst of writer's block for two weeks now, trying to find a subject, so I have had lots of time to visit this forum. But I'm delighted that at last I've found my subject, so I won't be posting for a bit. My thanks to all of you for your interesting and some times provocative posts. I hope you all get what you want out of this election, but at the very least better health care.
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Joan...on "acting white" here is a link, it is Wikipedia but it has some good external links at the bottom as well. The reason I say "it is Wikipedia" is because on college research papers it is not a good idea to use Wikipedia as a research tool for a variety of reasons. I like the site and as I said it has some good external links.
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Anne, you dont really think you, your dh, and the Mass dems are the nly ones who like Teddy!
AND--I will humor you since I understand you love detail.Although really,Anne you could deduct this yourself, you're just not trying.How many debats did I see, with my non-cable TV?
And that is where I saw this diverse name-calling.
It was right after hillary had rudely interupted an answer Obama was TRYING to give, because a Q had been posed to him.Hrc, in her foghorn mode voice shouted "NOW I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING HERE."
And a bit later called him "Barack."
(He naturally called her Mrs C.Who wouldnt?)
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Anne, please dont think you have dragged the liking Teddy red herring, OR the jj red herring across our minds.We remember that you responded to NS with a quote from Hillary's website, plagerizing it as if you wrote it.(You didnt quote it, or the source)
IMO, JMO, more detail.I know YOU like detail, but I find such DETAIL extremely boring and nit-picky.In My Opinion, Just My Opinion.The basic meaning remains the same.
Maybe you'd do better at one of our TX forums, since I think you said you are in treatment.There you can communicate with other women undergoing your same treatment, w/out having to resort to plagerizing from websites.
Hopefully.
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Thanks, Paulette!I love Wikopedia, whenever I Google, I always read their hit first!
I actually know the vernacular "Acting White".My kids explained it to me some time ago.But that WAS some time ago.Our community, since then, has experienced some racial unrest, due to kids being accused of acting white.
AND I'm glad to say that is all in the past.By now, and for several years now "acting white" is out of the kids' lexicon.The kids have realized that it is to their advantage to do well in school and hope to form very nice lives for themselves.
It seems really geeky to think of JJ still clinging to that old bit of perversity (which, obviously, only hurts the person who is the accuser.)
Thanks again for the Wiko definition.!
BTW Anne, you obviously DONT read Obama's character correctly if you think he got upset because Jesse accused him of acting white!
But then it is obvious you just dont get it, about Obama anyway.
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Well, I for one CANNOT STAND Ted Kennedy (Joan, I'll apolgize if you like him...I still LOVE YOU!
). I've often wondered about the Chappaquiddick incidence. I think I'll do a search on it. Ted Kennedy as asked the Clintons to back off. I'm not surprised he has endorsed Senator Obama.Poor President Kennedy didn't have a chance to show us what he could do. I was a senior in high school when he was assassinated. I will never forget that day.
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton or racists. How ANYONE could ever vote for Jackson is beyond me. They cause "divide" instead on unity. It's very believable, NOT ONE BIT SUPRISING!, what Jackson said about Obama, "He's gotta stop acting like he's white."
IMHO (in my humble opinion) Obama will be a tough candidate if he wins the nomination.
Shirley
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Just a request, please don't post JJ and Dr. King in same sentence regarding civil rights.
It just doesn't seem right. I DO know JJ was around during the movement, but did not lead in the manner of MLK>IMHO.
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Shirley...I completely agree with everything you said.
How anyone could say Ted Kennedy is a great statesman is way beyond me, and voting for Jesse Jackson, blows my mind.
Jackson and Sharpton are racists and no different than any other racist of any color or race or whatever, they cause huge divide but then in IMHO that is the only way they can keep up their 15 minutes of fame. They do not speak for the people, they are agitators.
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I think calling someone half-white or half-black or 3/4 something is racist--whether or not Jesse Jackson agrees or not. I don't think I'd go as far as to say he or Al Sharpton are racists. They grew up in a time when blacks needed advocates because of racism. Sometimes I wish gays had advocates like the two of them who were nationally known speaking out for us. I'm sure most of us have different ethnicity in us somewhere along the family tree.
Whatever Ted Kennedy has done in the past, he's also done a lot for the disenfranchised in this country. His endorsement or lack of one does nothing for how I'll vote, I do think it's helpful for Obama that Caroline compared him to her father. She's never endorsed a candidate for president that I am aware of and she's never invoked her father's name.
I don't like the idea of electing a 2fer1 president and I didn't like it when I voted for Bill the first time.
The idea of calling someone Hillary vs. Senator Clinton I think means nothing. Most of us call her Hillary in this thread. I know I do and use Obama and Edwards, probably because there is already a famous Clinton politician. I call Mitt and Rudy by their first names, because their names are unique but use Huckabee and McCain because their first names are common. I don't know about protocol, but in the senate I assume those who know each other use first names.
Joan I think Hillary was obnoxious during the last debate, trying not to let Obama get a word in edgewise. The person who talks the loudest isn't right, just louder. I'm interested to see if Edwards sides more with Obama or Hillary in the Thursday debate.
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Deja Vu--Is it the 1960's?---I just fell into a time warp today.
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Madalyn--I'm in total agreement with you.
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Dottie,
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Just a request, please don't post JJ and Dr. King in same sentence regarding civil rights.
It just doesn't seem right. I DO know JJ was around during the movement, but did not lead in the manner of MLK>IMHO."
I agree entirely and whole-heartedly.
Jj WAS around in the MLK days, he was a type of student, or follower (acolyte) of Dr King.Apparantly when MLK was killed, Jessie pushed himself into the center of attention.Saw his chance to "take over", grabbed it.This is how he GOT his 5 minutes of fame.
Thing about jj that I dislike most is that not only is he a racist, and a seperator, but I rememer "in the old days", how hot jj was on Malcom X and the Black Muslims.He preached not Islam, but BLACK Muslimism, taught it, partnered w/Malcom X in planting seeds of hatred.
Sorry to say, at least Malcom X was a smart man.(Not because of his beliefs but natively.)
To me, only a person who is not intelligent would suggest to (someone like BARACK!!!) that he "needs to stop trying to act white"!!!
Let's go back to Tom Wolf, and Bonfire of the Vanities (the BOOK, not the movie).These 2-bit hatred-mongers were portrayed SO well there!(Hegh!Hegh!Hegh!)
Madalyn, have you been asked to leave?I am only here hit or miss but am not aware of anyone being asked to leave..
Amyyyyy.Is the thursday-night debate on cable?
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...after every big politcal happening on TV, I love coming here and reading this discussion thread. In our house we are currently divided Dem/Rep--makes for some wonderful disucssions!
I have a question for some of you more savvy politcos--just nicely trying to say, a lot of you are much more aware than I am of issues...but,
does any candidate endorse reparation payments to descendents of people brought to the US against their will??? Just throwing this out, at it was mentioned to me earlier tonight--so, am curious???
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Although Im still undecided about who I will vote for. I have to agree with Shirley about Ted Kennedy. I will never forget that young girl drowning in that creek and he just walked away.
This keeps getting more and more interesting.
Nicki (aka chemosabi)
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Junie, I haven't heard any of the candidates mention reparation to decendents of slaves. New Jersey just issued an apology for slavery and the reviews were mixed. One gentleman interviewed said he thought the apology meant more to those apologizing than it did to the descedents. I don't even know how reparations could be fairly given. I think the best reparations are to make sure that there is equity in the justice system and jobs going forward and to go back and work with the innocence project to clear those unjustly convicted.
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Is it just me that thinks that Obama is homely in the extreme? LOL I find it kind of funny that some think he's handsome. NOT that my opinion is worth the paper it's written on. It's not even written on paper!
Well, he may be an okay guy and make a good president. I really don't know at this point.
As far as Caroline Kennedy's endorsement is concerned, I was quite taken aback by her reasoning: that she watched her children (the oldest is just voting for the first time this year) and saw that they liked him and that clinched it. Huh? They're political experts? She just dropped waaaaay down in my opinion.
And Chappaquidick. Hmmm. Yes, never sat well with me and I'm from MA.
But, it's true, this is really a wonderful election cycle. You couldn't PAY for better entertainment.
Cannot wait to see the Fla results later tonight.
Tina
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