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Not me, when I speak with my kids we never hang up or leave without saying "I love you". We know we love each other and they have been wonderful talking to me and me to them over the years
Would I want the chance for us to say goodbye, well of course, but I believe they would have me go with as little discomfort as possible and I SURE feel that way.
My best friend was a caretaker of her husband for 3 freekin years before he died. It almost killed her, physically and mentally, even with help from hospice. And he was out of it for the last few months and didn't even know who she was, and it only made it harder to care for him since he was still able to complain and demand things.
NOT a picture I want for my dh, let alone my kids, altho I am sure they would do anything in the world for me.
As a nurse, I've seen it all ways. When counseling newly diagnosed cancer patients and their families that was one thing I told them was good: knowing that they if things needed to be said, they had been given a timeframe in which to do it.
So---if you love someone, tell them. If you have broken relationships with loved ones, fix them. If you lied to your mom about something, correct it. If you don't know enough about your family's medical history, find out now. If you don't know about your family's geneology, learn it now. If you've never discussed your parents and grandparents growing up years and early youth, ask about it and then----LISTEN.
No one makes it out alive, folks, give it the best you've got while we've got it. TAKE THE TIME.
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Yep..must say what you want to say now. You could be hit by a car tomorrow and die or just drop dead as did an acquaintance of ours last week.
I don't know what I want to happen to me. I just know I'm not ready for it to happen all too soon.
My son is not done with basic training. This is after being in the army for about 2 months. He still has a ways to go. He gets basic training and then advanced basic training because he's in a special unit.
For those parents of the military...my best to you. It's not easy. This is my 3rd child in the army..my baby. He's in a fighters unit by choice but all kids here have to be in the army. My daughter was first in line. She had worked in computers. My middle son is still in the army til August. He's an officer in communications. And now my baby...he's in the paratroopers.
Bush...he's on his way to other countries in the Middle East now. He is not my favorite. He said some dumb things while here. His conception of what is really happening here is way off...
Funny there are others with cravings for fast food..wonder why?
Marin..that is tooo funny but I know what you mean. You needed that spicey food but your mouth couldn't take it. I know that feeling. Weird! HUH?
Chemo does weird things to a person. I couldn't look at a bottle of water..made me sick. I drank this disgusting purple grape juice that kids drink here that I wouldn't even give to my own kids! But, it HAD to be THAT juice.
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Sorry about your neighbor Jaybird. Man what a topic to come in on when I'm feeling a little like death warmed over today. Day 4 after 1st chemo. OK, so you know that NO SE's plan I signed up for? Today, my stomach is in between nausea and constipation...it is miserable. Drinking Correctal tea at the moment...hoping that will help. Haven't been able to eat a lot...trying to get in at least the four food groups...carbs seem to be winning...crackers, toast, oatmeal...but I do have fruit and a vegie each day along with PB and maybe an egg. I had a little chicken last night...not great. Whine.... Moan...
OK, thanks...I'm good now.
I've seen both sides of dying. My mother and grandfather died slowly of cancer...my brother in law died suddently in his sleep, still no reason found as to his passing. If I were the one dying, fast is my choice...as I plan to tell everyone when I'm feeling it what I want to say...no need to withhold in my opinion. Dying slow is so hard on family, but more so on the dying person. I imagine them feeling badly for putting everyone through it, but on the other side, I wouldn't give up a minute of time I had with my mom and grandfather before they passed.
SIS KImberly -
I don't want to discourage anyone from venting on the death topic, but how about we add another one that's rather lighter? Like.....what's everyone planning for the weekend? Better yet, what ONE THING are you planning that will make YOU happy? I don't know how many of you have read Elizabeth Gilbert's Eat, Pray, Love, but it is my new bible and she is my new guru! After reading the book, I watched her on Oprah and hung on her every word. She said that she thought it was good practice to review your day in the evening nad write about what made you happy. She also advised people to journal in the mornings too, addressing the question "What do I really, really, really (she said 3 "reallys") want? I love that woman and am eagerly awaiting her next book regarding marriage....even if I'm not married, I'm sure it will be chock full of ideas on making healthy relationships!
So, what are you going to do this weekend to make YOU happy? I am going on 2 different dates with 2 very different men and going to 2 very different places with each. I'm very excited about the cozy coffeehouse with live blues as well as a day trip to Old Salem. Then, I plan to chill out in front of the TV on Sunday night and eat a bowl of buttered popcorn. Bliss!
~Marin
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Marin, I hope you enjoy your trip to Old Salem. I would like to go at Christmas when they have it decorated. I used to live less than an hour from there and always said that I wanted to go but never got there. Now I live about 3 hours away and still have not made it.
I also like the idea of journaling in the morning and evening, a way to set your plans for the day and recognizing what was accomplished that day.
All I am planning is going to the Olive Garden with my DH,his step-bro and friend. My DH has never been to Olive Garden and it was suggested by his step-bro to go out together. they both drive for the same trucking company and will be home this weekend.
Sheila
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But Sheila, what are you doing for YOU this weekend? A bubble bath and candlelight, anyone?
~Marin
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I have no plans. Will probably sit under a blanket with my book and finish reading the weekend paper.... We have only Saturday as a weekend. Sunday is our first day of the week and I'll be preparing the house and doing some cooking because my cousin who is 21 will be here for a few days after having been on a tour here.
For me? I'll probably open up the wine bottle while I'm cooking.
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Old Salem...I hadn't thought about that place in years! I was born in Winston-Salem, and remember going there a few times as a kid. Such a neat place! All I remember are the Moravian stars and the candles they make there. Enjoy, Marin!
This weekend I plan to putter around the house and do a few things I've been meaning to do...get a bag of clothes together for the thrift shop, rearrange a few drawers/closets, etc. Not particularly fun, but sometimes it feels good to get things in order. I leave for Tokyo for five days on Mon., so I need to do laundry and pack. It's pouring rain, so it's a good day to stay inside. Sunday I'll have my massage and acupuncture treatment...always makes me feel relaxed and balanced.
I want to read Eat, Pray, Love too...saw the author the 2nd time she was on Oprah. I was just talking to my sister...my niece just gave it to her to read.
ravdeb, I'm not surprised the locals in Israel think Bush's perceptions of what's happening there are off...I think he so often just doesn't "get it". Don't want to turn this into a political discussion, so I'll stop there.
Enjoy your dates, Marin...hope you'll share how they went later!
Lynn
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I'm going to ck out an new (for me) Red Hat group tomorrow. Met with another Wed night and had a blast. Crazy ladies and plans for the year include whitewater rafting, hikes, pool parties and night time egg hunt.
I'm in a fairly sedentary group now that likes to stay at home and just have lunch. I wannt get movin.
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For me???? Hmmm. Nope, this weekend it's all about someone else. But next week I'll be out of town and my nights (in the hotel!) will be all about ME!
I'll be catching up on some reading for sure!
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I loved Eat, Pray, Love. I agree that you need to put your intentions out there...and count your blessings. I didn't get to see her on Oprah...bummer.
What I'm doing for me this weekend is taking care of myself. I am not doing anything out of feeling obligated. I was miserable yesterday Day 4 after chemo #1, but I am so grateful that my darling man took time to be with me and work from home yesterday.
Greg's been such a sweetheart...making me food that is more bland than he'd normally make. I craved tuna yesterday, so he made me half a tuna melt...no cheese...so technically not a melt, I guess, but it was sooooo good. He made homemade chicken noodle soup for dinner...added some poultry seasoning...just enough to give it some flavor, which tasted good.
At this moment, with my tea...a rootbeer barrel candy...I bought a small handful when I was in San Diego this summer, and never did anything with them. Saw them and thought, I wonder if this will help with the icky taste in my mouth problem? May I say, yummy!!!!
For now, that's what I'm doing for me. A bubble bath does sound nice...maybe I'll do that tonight with the dh...although no wine for me, he can have a glass and toast our adventure.
Whatever you choose to do...enjoy your weekend ladies.
SIS KImberly -
Earlier today hubby and I went to Rome Georgia for lunch at Olive Garden, love the all you can eat soup, salad and bread sticks, especially the zuppa tusconia, man oh man is that stuff ever good, then we went to see the movie The Bucket list,, was that ever a good movie, brought tears to the hubby's eyes....
Now tomorrow is going to be for me, puttin' my feet up and will try and finish reading my book after taking my girls for a walk or two.
By the way, and this is off topic like way off topic... I know funeral homes give the widows/widowers a little booklet of things that need to be accomplished
Does anyone know a site that I can go to and make a copy??
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Oh- here's what I'm doing for me:
I have a date Sunday night and he's cooking for ME! His first choice was salmon but I hate salmon so he's making sea bass instead. This guy is definitely all about ME when we're together so I cannot wait for my ME evening.....
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Jaybird..sounds great!
Kimberly..rootbeer candies are my favorite. They don't even know what rootbeer is here in Israel! I had to bring the candy back with me last summer. My daughter craves them too! YUM!!!!
And you dh sounds so loving to cook for you and to make it "just right".
I spent my Saturday reading. Read the paper cover to cover. It's FREEZING here with temps in the 40's. That's COLD for Israel and especially in the area where I live. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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I ate alot of lemon drops on chemo. Its the only thing that worked for me and the metallic taste. I think everyone has to find what works best for them.
I love the Olive Garden. Yum!
I don't know if you can find that online. I would think you could...just about everything is online these days. If not, you could call and ask them to mail you one.
Kimberly, be sure to report any side effects to your chemo nurses. In most cases they can give you a script to help. You shouldn't have to suffer.
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MMmmmmm...Olive garden! You guys are making my hungry! We ate there all the time in MI, but we don't have one in Alaska. I miss their salad and breadsticks.
RavDeb- I laughed at 40 degrees being cold...it is -22 here this morning! LOLOL...I guess it is all perspective
After Church this morning my girls and I are having a jammies and movie afternoon....going to build a fire and watch movies....can't wait.
Deb C
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Yea well.. you are ALASKA DEB! I'm ISRAEL DEB! LOL! I know. I grew up in Chicago and 40 degrees was Spring. I laughed at the Israelis when I first moved here but...not anymore!!
Lemon drops? I like Lemon Drop Martinis, myself! That became the Rocktober Girls drink and they are mmmm,mmmm,GOOD!
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Hey all,
Always Hope-I certainly will report my SE's...they already gave me a script for nausea, and told me I could get over the counter stuff if I got constipated...which of course the nausea meds take care of...so the only thing I needed was anti-gas...I swear I felt like I was going to explode...until yesterday...can we all say AAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
AlaskaDeb- -21 degrees, jammies, a fire, and movies...sign me up! That's the perfect thing to do on a below freezing day. Can't complain about Lincoln today...got a nice VD walk. I did used to live in Truckee,CA which always posted some of the lowest temps in CA...and we'd be sun bathing in 60 degree weather.
RavDeb-No rootbeer in Isreal? I don't drink soda now, but when I was a kid....A&W and Mug Rootbeer were just the ticket on a hot summer day....sorry, I know it's 40 degrees there, but it would certainly chill your rootbeer mug, wouldn't it?
Lemondrops are too sweet for me...besides they will go down way too easy. When I took my chemotini glass with me, one of the nurses said she'd never had a martini, so she tried the green one that tastes like a Jolly Rancher...7 in an hour...OMG....then stated she couldn't look at another martini after that...wonder why?...but that she loved my glass. She now likes Midori somethings...so I told her to just put them in a fancy tini glass, so she can pretend. I just want my tastebuds to recognize all the good wine in our cellar.
Today was a much better day...even better than yesterday.
I agree...my body knows what it needs and just tells me...sleep...don't
eat that...you want to eat this....and drink some more water while
you're at it!
I did 3 loads of laundry yesterday and emptied the dishwasher, and made my own breakfast and lunch yesterday. Took a Vit D walk. Greg made dinner...didn't get to that bath yet...
Today, Greg made me pancakes and eggs for breakfast and leftover soup for lunch. I am the luckiest girl...I so know it!!!!
We went out for a bit, and I thought I really want to try a small decaf gingerbread latte...something with more consistency than water... and of course, you can't have a coffee without a little treat. I was just so thrilled that I actually wanted to eat today...of course nothing had much taste...sigh :-(
I so wanted to taste my piece of Pumpkin Loaf and decaf from Starbucks! Greg even tasted it to make sure it wasn't just bland all on its own...Nope, he said. It's you. They definately have flavor.
Oh well...I guess this will keep me from eating foods that aren't good for me....why bother if you can't taste them?
So Marin....how was the double hitter? My twin is now dating again...so I get to hear all about her Match.com dates.
SIS Kimberly -
Kimberly..sounds like you're living a normal "chemo life". It will get better. You'll get your taste buds back. You'll go back to eating like us "normals" out of chemo! What IS normal?
I honestly don't know how Israelis have survived without a cold rootbeer in this hot desert country. I ponder this. But they wanna know how Americans survive without "black beer" which is not a beer at all but a non-alcoholic soft drink malt that Israelis love. Cannot find the same thing in the States, or anywhere! About a week ago we were in a hotel here with guests from abroad and were having lunch and they had the audacity of translating this malt drink into "rootbeer". How dare them!!!
Any Brits or Israelis will also ponder the fact that Americans don't send their kids to school with a pita filled with chocolate spread (and it's not chocolate like good chocolate, either..my kids never liked it). This is a British delight (?) that was brought here during the British mandate and Israelis have not given it up!
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Okay, okay...we don't have black beer or the pita with chocolate...but do you guys have the chocolate soda drink 'Yoohoo'?
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Marin, After we ate we went to the mall and I actually went into Victoria Secrets with Donna and I vow to go back after my PS says I can purchase sexy bras again (2 yrs in mast bras with fill padding to even out my a/c cup boobs). I just had my nipples done in time for Christmas and should be able to go sexy shopping soon.
Sheila
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Awesome, Sheila! I've avoided VS for a few months because I can't resist anything in there and my drawers are already overflowing. Your waiting for your PSs okay reminds me of the beginning of my "addiction"....On my way home from the hospital after my first post-surgery follow-up when he told me he was done. I was so excited that I bought tons of gorgeous bras (with matching panties, of course!) and Melissa Etheridge's new album that had just been released. I went home, put on some of my new lingerie and listened to "I Run For Life" and sobbed my guts out with joy. I'll never forget that day, no matter what the future brings. It felt like all of tears that I had built over over the previous long months of treatment just erupted at once. I know you all know what I'm saying....
Now for my report on the weekend dating. Let me preface it by saying that I fully realize I have absolutely no reason to complain. But I will.....First of all, I had an incredibly terrific time with both guys. They were both so caring, engaged and respectful. Saturday night I went with guy#1 ( aka Architect) to a small town outside of Raleigh and we had dinner (actually more like snacks or tapas) at a cute little coffeehouse and then moved over to its bar section where we sat all night and listened to an awesome blues band whose female lead has sung with John Lee Hooker. We almost closed the place, but it was well worth it. Throughout the evening, Architect was clever, funny and appropriately affectionate. He even asked me a few times if he could kiss me and he did and I very much liked it. He's not drop-dead gorgeous, but I am attracted to him.Then he brought me home, kissed me awhile and watched me get in the door. Lovely evening.
The next day, I met guy#2 (aka Country Boy) at a mutually convenient spot which happened to be at the business he owns (well-digging?). He showed me around and then we drove to Old Salem, walked around for hours and then headed up to Pilot Mountain before darkness fell. Okay, here's my dilemna and amybe someone can offer her input/opinion on this. This man, despite being, on the surface, the complete & total opposite of me (culturally/physically/educationally...everything!) is like my emotional mate or twin. We have similar thought and feelings about everything, are both passionate about exploring and experiencing all sorts of things and even seemed to have been searching for exactly the same thing in a partner forever! Seriously, it's truly bizarre! BUT, BUT, BUT.....I am not at all attracted to him physically! He looks his age (63), has a large belly and chubby cheeks. I do like his largeness/height though and when he hugs me, I feel very engulfed (in a good way) and protected. Also, he kisses pretty well too. Still, he is SO NOT my type, in every physical way. And I think he considers himself fairly thin and attractive. He had bypass surgery several years ago and has lost alot of weight since then (
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So, after both dates, they each wrote the most incredible, reflective emails about how attracted they are to me and how each hopes to develop a relationship with me. Architect even sent me one of his poems to illustrate how he felt (I'm melting, of course) and Country Boy wrote how intensely he feels about me and how he feels that we're like "twins of different mothers." As I said, I also feel that way.
Oh, and let me add here, that I have yet another date scheduled for next Saturday with the guy whose wife died of cancer and he's become a real cancer advocate.
OMG, you guys, what would YOU do in this situation???? I'm SOOOOOOO confused!!!!
~Marin
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Oh Jpann I wonder what happened to Pete, I'm absolutely in love my squirrel Harry, he's gray and hilarious, he honestly makes my day I always make sure he gets a pecan or walnut a real treat everyday, those he takes back to his den, and I feed the other squirrel as well I have another favorite I named him Petrie and the funny thing is they both know there names. Petrie is black but his tail is less hairy on the end so I know it's him, but the hair is starting to grow in better probably because of all the nuts I give them. If I ever move I wonder if I could take them with me or would that be cruel, I'd just have to make sure there are no babies then I couldn't. But I don't have any neigbours that would feed them like I do, so lets hope I don't have to move anytime soon.
And pete likes coffe thats hilarious, I just leave out water winter and summer it's really annoying in winter have to change it alot, but man do they drink it up, especially in summer. Last summer we had a really dry summer hear and I filled roast pans with water and left them in the shade, I couldn't believe the wildlife I saw because of it. This all sounds so boring but really it isn't it keeps me so amused. Pearl49
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Hi Marin: Why rush things, just keep dating them for awhile, let them know that your still just dating not exclusive and get to know them both better. First dates are always the best and we always put our best face out there. They both sound like wonderful guys, but the age and weight thing with guy number two would probably get me worrying about him if I got to close. And guy number one sounds sweet and attraction sometimes takes time so just enjoy the attention and company do they both think that your only dating them or do they understand that your still looking for the right one.
I met a man years ago, he turned into an affair, but it was weird, we just fit, it really like we knew each other somehow in every way it was so weird, we fit I mean really felt glued, still the strangest thing that ever happened to us. But it was long distance we were both in relationships that we didn't want to give up so stopped seeing each other. But I've never ever felt that feeling with another man again and don't think I ever will. So Saturday night guy I really get what your saying, I still sort of regret not keeping in touch with my special one I should have. God Marin I'm getting all melancholy here and this is about you not me. Okay date them both and see the third guy you never know with that guy. I love reading your posts it gives me so much hope that I'll one day get out there and just date, look at me seeing my ex for sex. But it's a start. But if I were in your shoes I'd enjoy and get to know them and take your time with them then make a decision.Pearl 49 Okay first thing for the questionairre on men to watch for. Question #1. Does he get along with him siblings and does he respect him mother?
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Marin, I agree with Snowy. Keep on dating both and maybe more ment men and you'll get your answer. No need to rush, is there?
I' too, tend to make snap decisions about men but am learning to change my way of thinking. After meeting my current guy I decided he wasn't my 'type' physically but decided to see him again based on his nice personality. Well, after dating him about once a week for eight (?) weeks now I have decided that he is just terrific! Still not my 'ideal' type physically (only 5'8") but he has no real flaws that I can see and he really likes me so we're continuing this thing we have. I don't feel like I'm falling in love or anything but it's comfortable and the sex is very natural so I'm content.
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Ravdeb, is the chocolate spread called Nutella or nutrella? We can buy that here though I've never had the guts to try it. I think it's big in Australia too.
Alwayshope, we can buy Yoohoo here too...in fact, I've seen it all the places we've lived in the US. Yoohoo has a bad memory for us though...we were moving from AZ to OK and my young daughter (she was 3 at the time) had been sipping on a yoohoo from a drink carton and promptly puked it up all over the place. It was our first day on the road and we just barely made it out of AZ when she got sick.....all the kids came down with the stomach virus and we spent two nights in NM waiting for them to recover. Not a pleasant move! I don't buy it anymore. LOL
Marin, I agree with the others. Just keep seeing them both, unless you've agreed to date exclusively, I don't see a problem as long as they both know. Enjoy it! They both seem to fill different areas for you, too bad you can't combine them, eh?
Kimberly, sounds like you're doing considerably well! I know my tastebuds went out the window for the duration. Now if I could just curb my enthusiasm for them returning and cut back on my eating, my dr and I would both be happy.
Dottie, were you able to attend the new Red Hat Society meeting? That group sounds like a lot more fun!
It's cold, grey and rainy here. We have no snow which is pretty unusual for my area this time of year. Temps are so-so but supposed to drop by the weekend to the 20s. BRRRRR Not sure I could live in Alaska!
Hope everyone's having a great day!
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Marin, I had not thought about Pilot Mountain in forever! The first time I went there was right after my family moved from Ohio in 1975 and we went to Pilot Mountain on Christmas. It was a clear day and you could see the tall buildings at Winston as well as the highway into VA up the mountains. I now live closer to Mount Airy but don't get down to Winston.
My husband gets a 6 pack of the tall canned yoohoo's for in his semi each week. He said that he can't get by the week without his yoohoo.
My son tried the nutella while taking French in High School and liked it, especially since he was allergic to Peanuts. His teacher would try to encourage their French Language skills with foods from France. I would buy him a jar to eat every now and then.
Sheila
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Hi all,
Isn't is interesting what different cultures find "yummy"...I can't imagine not having the things we had growing up...and yet...if I were born in Isreal or England or Tanzania...I'd not miss those things at all.
Marin, Eat, Pray, Love would agree that you don't have to even make a choice here. You don't need to become a victim of your own perceptions of 'your type'. The universe has presented you with several options that each seem to trigger in you something that you find a priority...sit with these experiences and see if they really offer you something that is a priority, or if you're being offered a chance to learn something you need to work through. As long as everyone knows you're just trying to find what's right for your life...that exclusivity isn't in the game plan right now...then what's the harm of just going with the flow of it and seeing where it takes you?
RavDeb and TerryNY- Thanks for the pep talk. Sounds like the taste buds certainly can be a problem on both sides of treatment eh?
Snowey-How cute that you've got squirrels you've named and feed. We had raccoons when we lived in Truckee. We'd give them any meat drippings we didn't use with the heels from our loaves of bread in the winter to put some fat on their bones. We always felt so badly for them in winter. In summer they weren't as fat as we just left fruit and veggie leftovers..but, they had the most beautiful coats. Not sure if we were actually doing the right thing...making them a bit dependent upon us...but we so loved watching them.
SIS Kimberly -
Hijak!
Can't talk about death right now, so I'll try to think of something more cheerful, uuuhhhh, how about what are you doing for Valentine's Day? I need some inexpensive suggestions for something for my dh.
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Is there such a thing as an inexpensive gift for VD? I would like some suggestions too. The fact that we have not celebrated VD for the last 15 or so years shouldn't stop me...., right?
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