Any Iowans who will be cacausing here?

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NoH8
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edited June 2014 in Life After Breast Cancer
Any Iowans who will be cacausing here?
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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2007
    Ugh I spelled caucusing wrong and can't correct it. Anyway,I'd love to hear more about it from an "insider" if you are. Spill!Tongue out
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2007

    Well Im not from Iowa but I am certainly getting a history lesson this year.  Never before have I been so interested in what is gonna occur there on Thursday or how it works.

    I do love this part of politics. 

    Nicki

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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2007

    I feel gyped because we have a late primary in PA. I'm having Iowa envy. It's exciting because even though I have my picks, I'd be ok with any of the dems.  Unfortunately for the repubs, to me it's who is going to be the least harmful to my rights as a gay woman--:(.

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  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited December 2007

    Amy, did you see Meet the Press this morning? Tim Russert was really addressing the issue of gay rights with Huckabee.

    I am wondering about anyone living in one of thes caucus states- Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina... are you all being driven MAD by the constant phone calls and tv ads??? I would be totally burnt out on politics if I lived in one of your states. 

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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2007

    Dang dottie, I missed Meet the Press, I decided on This Week with George Stephanopolis. I usually wait to see which show seems more interest that week. Did Huckabee address wanting to send people with aids to sanatariums in the early 90s? He said that was the "best knowledge" at the time, which is total BS and he has never acknowledged how wrong and hurtful he was.

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  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited December 2007

    Amy,  here is the transcript link-

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22409176/page/3/

    I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

    I don't know who I am voting for buy I am not voting for him...

    Obama was on after him but Tim Russert would't let him answer the questions - which is too bad because some of the answers I wanted to hear.

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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2007

    I just want to cry when I read that crap, because I know he's not the only one who believes that and he's on the pulpit preaching that homophobic baloney. It hurts like hell to be honest. Ron Paul might be the only republican who doesn't wish we (homo and bisexuals) didn't exist.  I've heard him say similar things, but seeing it in black and white feels different. He frightens me.

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  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited December 2007

    I don't think he will get anywhere... he may be polling high right now, but after these comments and his foreign affairs comments- he won't make it.

    He actually said that Pakistan is a threat to the illegal alien problem here because we have 600 Pakistanis emmigrating here a year.

    600??

    Guiliani is very sympathetic to gay rights, but I don't think he is going to make it either because he sounds like a broken record and his wife is driving everyone batty.

    I have to say, Amy, I was cleaning the living room when MTP was on and when I heard those comments I stopped dead in my tracks and stood there looking at the TV in disbelief.

    I am not a Hillary fan either. I don't think she has the experience to run a country and I am sick of having just two families run the country... we need a clean break from Bushes and Clintons- it is getting too dynastic. 

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2007

    Geez, I've been completely ignoring the Republicans because they all creep me out and I'd probably never vote Republican in my lifetime anyway (never say never, of course). I've been waffling on the Dems, but as of today, I'm decided (I think) and think that Edwards is the most solid and well-rounded person who also has a vision for change. The problem is I don't think he'll ultimately get the nomination, but I guess I'll just vote with my own conscience and hope for the best.

    I too would love to live in Iowa (um, well maybe NH?) at this time!

    ~Marin

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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2007

    Dottie I thought Rudy was more gay friendly than he is or maybe he never was. Did you know when he left his previous wife he and moved out of the governor's mansion and in with gay friends of his? I just assumed because of his policies and personal relationships he was one of our supporters. According to Gay Usa, he's basically pandering to the right and making statements against our rights-- to the chagrin of the gay couple he lived with for a period of time. They're saying not to trust that he will fight for our rights.

    I posted a question on one of my lesbian boards "which of the republicans would be least harmful to our rights"-- all we've come up with is Ron Paul (who we dislike for being antichoice) and Rudy as being the ones least likely to try to take our rights away. We don't expect any of the candidates to do anything for us.

    Have you heard Romney or Huckabee talk about why gays shouldn't serve in the military? Apparently we wouldn't be able to do our jobs because we'd be way too horny which would make all the straight people so uncomfortable they couldn't do their jobs either. It doesn't matter to Mike or Mitt that gays serve openly with straights in most other countries, including Israel who arguably has the best military in the world. One of the two said that what other countries' solidiers can handle and what the US soldiers can handle are different--which is an insult to all of our soldiers IMHO and a ridiculously idiotic statement.

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  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited January 2008

    The more mainstream Republicans all have the problem that they can't be moderate on social issues or the holy rollers will disavow them. So most of them have reversed themselves on the gay rights/immigration issues. I wish they'd just jettison the Christian right and be honest about their true stands on the issues.

    I can not support Romney because he exaggerated about his father marching with MLK. I've had the privilege of knowing several ministers who actually marched with MLK and I think it's a travesty to even mention that if his father wasn't actually there.  

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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2008

    Rose that is so refreshing to hear. You'd never know it by the candidates running for president. Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA) is prochoice and moderate on social issues and I've voted for him. I wonder how much of the republican base are the holy rollers? I know they have deep pockets. I think the time has come and gone for a 2 party system, unfortunately with the electoral college a third party candidate hardly has a chance.

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  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited January 2008

    I'm sure the Democrats are equally beholden to fringe interest groups, I'm just not as up on them. I think the thing with the Christian right is that they've got the numbers. The business establishment isn't such a large voting bloc, but they've got cash.

    Even though a third party isn't likely to get elected they are WAY important. Ross Perot, who I always thought was a bit wacky, moved the conversation to a balanced budget and it wasn't long before that was a goal of a major party.

    Heaven only knows what this Ron Paul guy will cause.  

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  • Blundin2005
    Blundin2005 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited January 2008

    I voted for Specter too. His record speaks for itself.



    I don't know much about Ron Paul...I'll do some homework.



    With all of the stats thrown around...I wonder what the distribution would look like if say 85% of the population eligible to vote, actually did vote. I'm not so sure then that the Christian right would still have the numbers. Just wondering that is. Edwards said something like, 'It's not how much money there is in the campaign, it how many votes you receive that counts." At least I hope this time they do!



    Boy, talk about records speaking for themselves--http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CWaUM3kxfA&eurl=http://www.fred08.com/



    I hope that this link worked for you....



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  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited January 2008

    The paper said something this morning that of 85,000 Iowa Republicans, about 45% are of the conservative christian variety.

    I don't know whether they expect 85,000 to caucas or not. Somehow that seems like a lot.

    I'm terribly curious to see how it all comes out.  

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    Well!  Today is the big day in Iowa.  I cant wait to get home from work and watch TV to see what all is happening.

    And the beat goes on.

    Nicki

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  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited January 2008

    IT is like the Playoffs for political junkies!

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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited January 2008

    NS- you crack me up, but you're right.

    Rose-- thanks for those numbers. I wonder why the presidential hopefuls are pandering to that 45% if there are more moderate folks in the party. Is it that the evangelicals get out to vote more than the other 55%? I get very nervous when politicians from either side use churches as platforms because it blurs the lines of separation between church and state. Churches are nonprofit organizations and save a ton of money being tax exempt. I know legally they can encourage people to vote and what issues the church supports, but they aren't supposed to back certain politicians. I was in a catholic church that handed out ballots saying what the issues were and which of two candidates running for various offices supported the issues. Technically that probably wasn't illegal but it sure blurred the lines IMHO.

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  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited January 2008

    Amy  - I think most politicians would pander for 45% of the vote! If a few others from that part join them then they're in. Everybody wants a win in Iowa because it looks good in the media.

    Iowa isn't such a representative state - most folks are white, 80-some percent have insurance, a lot of them think we can "expel" 14 million illegals without any problem Surprised

    I do think it's the "playoffs" for political junkies. 

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2008

    Well Im sitting here waiting to find out what has happened.  Shows dont come on until 7pm here.

    Nicki

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  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited January 2008

    Whoa...Obama just won in Iowa...hmmmmmmmm, interesting!

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  • BethNY
    BethNY Member Posts: 2,710
    edited March 2008

    I can't believe Obama won, and I can't believe Hilary is in third...

    I'm so surprised. 

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  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited January 2008

    I think it is great. I know a lot of our illinois girls know him better than me but  he seems like  a breath of fresh air. We need new blood in the white house.

    Huckabee won too- he scares me. I don't mind him on Leno- but NOT in the White house 

    jmo!! 

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  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited January 2008

    IMHO...Obama doesn't have enough political experience. I seriously doubt he would be a breath of fresh air.

    And Huckabee, he's scares me and I am a really right wing conservative, well maybe that's changing too!  

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  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited January 2008

    Paulette, a breath of fresh air out of the rest of the candidates...I have no clue who I am supporting. I am not a fan of Hillary because she has done nothing for my home state, NY, and I have a not-so-positive history dealing with her. I am a bit of a small town advocate for local women who are not getting proper medical coverage for metastatic BC and three times, when up against insurance companies that were denying treatment, she wouldn't help us. So, I admit, I have a chip on my shoulder because of her refusal to get involved in "women's issues" and that is a direct quote from one of her staffers. 

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  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited January 2008

    nosurrender...I don't care for Hillary, my personal opinion is she is as shifty as her husband who I don't care for either albeit they make an interesting couple. I was surprised as all get out when I took an online survey type thing and it came out I favored Edwards, Paul and McCain...I can understand McCain because I do admire him and would probably vote for him, how I came up with Edwards is beyond me and Paul? I do live in Brazoria County where he is from but that's about it!

    I am shocked that Hillary doesn't get involved in women's issues...but then again, not too shocked! I guess her medical for all schmooze is just that, a schmooze! 

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  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited January 2008

    YAY!! Barack won Iowa!!

    I'm very happy.

    Gina, although I do not have your admirable history helping women against their insurance co.s, I have never been a Hillary fan.Never.

    I loved Bill, and thought he was wonderful.

    But I always thought Hillary was a phoney, and I still do.She talks Yiddish to Hadassah, "arranges childcare" for bluecollar women supporters,has written and presented 3? national healthcare plans (although I do not recall anyone requesting her to do so.)

    This babe is everything to everyone, or a wannabe .But her eyes are hard, and well, I never liked her.Now I hear this, from you, Gina.I very much believe this of her.Probably nothing in it for HER.

    I voted for Bill IN SPITE of her, not because, as she would have liked.

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  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited January 2008

    I don't get caught up in the candidates until after all the primaries.  Those primaries will determine who I will have a chance to vote for, unless, of course, the conventions change THAT, too.

    I am sorely worn out on the candidates and Hate the fact that they started trolling for dollars so long before any actual campaign should begin.

    I,too, bet that Iowa will be happy to see all the ads and telephone calls stop.

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  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited January 2008

    I can't fault anybody who provides childcare!

    When you go to church they have babysitting. Smile

    Iowa is a start, but it's not the end, here we go.... 

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  • Blundin2005
    Blundin2005 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited January 2008

    True, this is only the beginning and there is a long way to go....but what a beginning!!! It spoke volumes.



    It felt so good to read the distribution of votes. I had a renewed sense of hope that this time, the people will be heard.





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