New info about chemo

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  • Ihopeg
    Ihopeg Member Posts: 399
    edited December 2007

    Less chemo for breast cancer?

    Gene test cited as criteria for treatment

    By MARILYNN MARCHIONE

    Associated Press

    SAN ANTONIO - Thousands of breast cancer patients each year could be spared chemotherapy or get gentler versions of it without harming their odds of beating the disease, new research suggests.

    One study found that certain women did better - were less likely to die or have a relapse - if given a less harsh drug than Adriamycin, a mainstay of treatment for decades.

    Another study found that a gene test can help predict whether some women need chemo at all - even among those whose cancer has spread to their lymph nodes, which typically brings full treatment now.

    The findings are sure to speed the growing trend away from chemo for many breast cancer patients and targeting it to a smaller group of women who truly need it, doctors said yesterday at the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium, where the studies were reported.

    "We are backing off on chemotherapy and using chemotherapy more selectively" in certain women, said Dr. Eric Winer of the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston.

    The gene test in particular "will start changing practice nearly immediately," said Dr. Peter Ravdin, of the University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, in Houston. "The results are compelling that this test . . . helps select patients who will most benefit from chemotherapy."

    Breast cancer is the most common major cancer in American women. More than 178,000 new cases are expected this year. Most are helped to grow by estrogen; hormone-blocking medicines such as tamoxifen are used to treat those.

    Chemo usually is added if the disease has spread to lymph nodes - a situation faced by about 45,000 U.S. women each year. Doctors know that chemo won't help most of these women, but they have had no good way to tell who can safely skip its cost and misery.

    Here's where Oncotype DX, a test that measures the activity of 21 genes and gives a score to predict a woman's risk of recurrence, comes in. Doctors have used it for several years to guide treatment for certain women with early breast cancers, especially those that not spread.

    The new study, led by Dr. Kathy Albain, of Loyola University in Chicago, looked at whether it accurately predicted chemo's benefit in 367 women whose hormone-driven cancer had spread to lymph nodes.

    A decade after these women were treated, those who had low scores on the gene test were found to have had no benefit from chemo. Conversely, chemo did a lot of good for those with high scores.

    Because 40 percent of the women scored low, it means that as many as 18,000 women each year might safely skip chemo.

    The National Cancer Institute and the test's maker, Genomic Health of Redwood City, Calif., sponsored the study.

    Albain, Winer and Ravdin have consulted or been paid speakers for the company in the past.

    Dr. Kelly Marcom, a Duke University cancer expert with no ties to the company, said the test would give valuable information to guide treatment for more patients in the future.

    He has used it on about 50 women in the last year.

    "I've had it cut both ways" - ruling chemo in and out, Marcom said.

    The test is expensive - $3,400 - though many insurers are paying for it because it can avoid even more costly chemo.

    Albain plans to discuss using it with Andrea DeRosier, a 49-year-old health care administrator from suburban Chicago whose cancer has spread to a single lymph node.

    When a surgeon said she likely would need chemo, "I remember thinking, 'Oh, that's terrible,"' DeRosier said. "I want whatever protocol is going to keep me alive," but not futile treatment, she said.

    Chemo's side effects are getting greater attention. One drug commonly used for early breast cancer - doxorubicin, sold as Adriamycin and generic brands - is known to cut the risk of having a recurrence or dying, but raises the risk of heart problems and even leukemia.

    Dr. Stephen Jones, of Baylor-Sammons Cancer Center, tested using Taxotere, a drug not linked to heart problems, in its place in more than 1,000 women with early breast cancer. After seven years, 87 percent of those given Taxotere survived, compared with 82 percent of those given Adriamycin. In addition, those given Taxotere were less likely to have had a recurrence.

    The study was sponsored by Taxotere's maker, Sanofi-Aventis SA, a French company with U.S. offices in Bridgewater, N.J. Jones consults for the company.

    A study in the New England Journal of Medicine in October showed that another drug, Taxol, does not work for the most common form of breast cancer.

    These new studies should lead to less use of chemo, but there has been "intense" pushback from doctors, who fear giving up on a treatment that might help some patients, said Barbara Brenner, head of the advocacy group Breast Cancer Action.

    "It's very hard to turn a ship like this," she said.

    "Adding things never takes much, but removing things takes a mountain of data from the medical community." *

     So, do you think this means we went thru this for nothingCryThis was in the Philadelphia Daily News yesterday.

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited December 2007

    I really had mixed feelings about this post. ( I finished my dd AC and am on Taxol now even though I am HER2-)

    I would like to think that at the time when we started our treatments that was the best action plan available for our diagnosis.

    As my pcp said breast cancer is the cancer to which most resources are allocated to and things are progressing regarding treatment/research very quickly(much quicker than other C's as I was told) this is a double edged sword of course, not unlike when you buy the newest / hight tech pc it becomes obsolete in 5-6 months but you still buy it anyways cause you need it.

    I am just hoping that there will also be new findings regarding keeping us disease free.

    So am I happy about what these researches showed ? Yes, on behalf of the other gals which will benefit from these findings.

    Am I pissed that I missed the benefit of these researches ? You bet I am.

    My 2 cents..

  • jdg1
    jdg1 Member Posts: 608
    edited December 2007

    Funny well not funny but I asked my Dr. about Taxol because some researches say that it does not help with my type of cancer Her2-.  The Onc. said well we want to do it because we want to hit the cancer with all we have. 

    I think Drs. are so used to using this regimen that they fear if they don't we will not have as good of an outcome.  In my case I think it would have been different had I gone through chemo first before surgery to see if it actually hit the tumor or not. 

    I don't know unfortunately it seems again we don't have the knowledge in this area and we rely on the Drs. to lead us in the right direction. 

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited December 2007

    I don't understand why all the hoopla about the Oncotype DX test as something brand new when it's been done for a while now. 

    Also, my onc said that with a 2+cm tumor she would not trust going by a low Oncotype score and would use A/C anyway.

    Who the he!! knows.

    Tina

  • snowyday
    snowyday Member Posts: 1,478
    edited December 2007

    That brings me to the 5FU enzyme deficiency study they're doing on 100 people up here in Canada when I looked it up they knew about this deficiency way back in 2004 and they're only doing it now? I was upset by that.  It's like playing a poker hand and hoping you'll get a royal flush. Pearl

  • Poppy_Spruce
    Poppy_Spruce Member Posts: 150
    edited December 2007

    I was lucky enough to avoid AC for my chemo treatment and my onc prescribed TCH (taxotere-carboplatin-hercpetin). It was not his first choice - I was slated for the typical AC/Taxol-Hercpetin combo until I whined so much about infertility, cardiac arrest and leukemia (I know, what can I say? I am a difficult patient!) and I brought up an article about TCH from this website. He said that was an accpetable option for me and that is the route we took - but I would not have gotten that if I had not asked.

    I had family and support that was able to research this for me and point me in the right direction. But what about those women who do not have that - or you did not happen upon this information in time? I think that the quote from the article is right - it takes a mountain of evidence to change typical thinking. I didn't let my onc off the hook and I asked him why, if he readily admits that TCH is effective and better tolerated, did he first suggest AC. His answer? Because it has been used forever and it works. Well, so were leeches, but we have found better ways to treat people. It's time that women are given alternatives in the fight against this terrible disease.

  • mkl48
    mkl48 Member Posts: 350
    edited January 2008

    Again confusion,

    Did the study that said Taxotere was more effective than Adia ,control for Her status which was directly related to the Taxol study of Oct? Is there a definitive study that says Taxotere is more efffective than Taxol or that Abraxane is better than either? These are questions that we should not still have to ask. Abraxane is currently only approved for advanced disease- the euphemisim for mets or if one can demonstrate allergy or if the onc is willing to try to get insurance coverage. Beth

  • mkl48
    mkl48 Member Posts: 350
    edited January 2008

    Another thought well said by the previous poster. Think how hard it is for an oncologist to tell the ER+ HER- patient we really only have hormonals that may be effective even though we have been telling you for 20 + years that chemo is absolutely needed if node positive. Of course they are not sure what to do even if evidence based research is pointing to less chemo because it probably doesn't work even when women are more at risk from dying. Beth

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