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  • ravdeb
    ravdeb Member Posts: 3,116
    edited November 2007

    Interesting topic, actually. I know that it started out of Medical's anger and frustration and just maybe it is all a matter of semantics.

    I think that I feel I'm a survivor because I survived my surgery, I survived chemo (barely), I survived rads and I'm still here to prove it. Even if I have some more of that beastly stuff in me that hasn't yet shown up, I'm still surviving it. I guess I'm a survivor until I die..

    Be well, Medical. It's a tough journey...

  • nevaeh
    nevaeh Member Posts: 85
    edited November 2007

    Medical,

    You obviously are very angry and have every right to be.  It stinks that any of us get breast cancer.  I have been angry too.

    I like to think of myself as a survivor in terms of conquering objectives and getting through the tough times.

    Perhaps we all could be referred to also as warriors.  As you said, it is a life long battle.  It can be won with dignity, grace and fortitude.

    I wish you healing and God's Blessings.  Am sending a hug your way for comfort.

  • jay66
    jay66 Member Posts: 112
    edited November 2007

    Medical, yes be angry then get over it. Lets face it

    LIFE'S TO SHORT.

    Doesn't matter what you got. Live for the day and just remember,

    TODAY is the first day

    of the rest of your life.

    Hugs xxxxx

  • chemo072
    chemo072 Member Posts: 682
    edited November 2007

    Medical, what an interesting thread you started.  (And the hand you've been dealt, ai yai yai.  I'd be in a state of despair, big hugs to you.)  I've been wrestling with what it is to be labeled a "survivor" myself, which is a different issue then tapping into the power of anger to put up a fight. 

    Pardon me while I try to think through some of my prickliness around the label out loud: Being diagnosed, and then labeled right away, or surrounded by pink right away, well, it was such an odd experience.  Of course there's some value in it, but being labeled and told that you "are" a certain thing doesn't always sit right with me.  Though I do appreciate the positive intent of the term "survivor": Survivor as opposed to "patient" as opposed to "victim" etc.  Whoever posted about the origin of the term - that was very interesting and helpful, thank you.

    The whole process is such an individual experience, and yet it's not - there are all these women who've gone before.  And the range of coping and attitudes towards treatment and getting through is really wide.  I sometimes think that the term survivor is more comforting for my friends and family than it is for me.  And I've had therapists use it too, to remind me of what the goal is here.  But my goal - it's way more than survival, my goal is all about quality of life.  Though first things first, I see the point in being urged to be a survivor and put up with a bunch of treatments that radically decrease my quality of life in the short term.  Surviving for survival's sake, or at enormous costs in quality of life seems somehow off....anyways, I don't hear the qol issues being brought up very much, though personally the "survivor" label gets shoved down my throat.  But that's just me, being prickly....and I really haven't decided what I think about all this, just thinking out loud.  I may end up embracing it fully, or not.  Or it may change as my situation changes. 

    And the idea of the term warrior....somedays I just don't feel like a warrior.  More beseiged.  Sometimes lucky.  Sometimes blessed.  But I'm not sure what a warrior feels like?  Or what all those connotations are? Something to think about it.  And the whole concept of war - not such a big fan. But cancer is one nasty enemy, so maybe war is a very accurate concept.  And I'll be darned if I'm not going to fight it, so there's that part of my nature as well.

    Also, there's the issue with labels of living through one's disease rather than living through one's talents, personality, identity etc.  All rather complex, right?  Being treated for breast cancer is just one small part of who I am, yet it's most definitely changed my worldview and my body itself, so it is identity-changing....Anyways, just so much to think about.

    So medical and everyone, thank you for an opportunity to reflect on these issues just a little...sorry to write a small book.

  • Hate_It
    Hate_It Member Posts: 8
    edited December 2007

    I feel like you too, Medical.  Dx'd 07/07 IDC 2cm 0 nodes.  Just had my 4/6 FAC treatments after right mast.  When I wake up EVERY morning I beg God to let it have been a bad dream.  A couple of days ago, woke up, went to the bathroom, sat on the toilet and as I sat there I told myself, "I have a head full of hair and when I stick my hand inside my gown my breast will be there."  Guess what, heartbreaking reality check! Everyone comments on how "strong" I am and how I am handling this very well...I am not!  I am scared to death and I know that what they are seeing is not strength but the fact that reality truly hasn't set in....."I" have breast cancer!  I still can't believe it!  Thank God for those of you who have come to grips with this beast and are here to help those like me who are scared. P.S.  How do I get to this wagon circle?

  • snowyday
    snowyday Member Posts: 1,478
    edited December 2007

    I was a volunteer fire fighter for seven years and some times I use the word cancer fighter instead of survivor.  The rest of my life I'll have to eat well, watch my wieght, not drink alot of alcohol, continue with follow ups that's fighting. And yes surviving but I like the word cancer fighter better.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited December 2007

    Ooh, medical, I hear you on this! Hate the word "survivor" for my current state. I call myself a "cancer veteran." As a moody teenager I loved the old Greek tragedies. The last line of Oedipus Rex reads, "Call no man happy until he is dead." But for myself I've switched it in my mind to: "Call no woman a breast cancer survivor until she dies of something else entirely."

    Medical, glad you're here on the bc.org boards with us, and sorry you have to be. Please come voice your frustrations and insights whenever you like. Be well!

    Binney

    P.S. to HateIt -- I'm six years out and there are still those stabbing moments when I hope my breast is still there. Or, more often, I'll be talking with someone going through treatment and I think, "Man, I could never handle that!" And then I suddenly remember I DID THAT! Who'd believe!


    To get to the Wagon Circle click on "Community Knowledge Exchange" at the top of this page. Scroll down to the section called "Beyond Diagnosis and Treatment." Near the bottom of that section is a Board called "Moving Beyond Cancer: Time to Circle the Wagons." Click on that one and you'll find threads on a number of friendly subjecs, and one main thread which I believe is called "Time to Circle the Wagons, Girls." How confusing is that?! Aaugh! Better yet, here: http://community.breastcancer.org/topic/87

  • kimbly
    kimbly Member Posts: 398
    edited May 2008

    I never really thought about this term until recently when technically I guess I became a bc survivor.  How do i know if am a survivor?? I mean when do you actually become one??? I am finished with treatments, I had my surgery etc am I now a survivor? or was I a survivor from diagnosis when I asked my doctor this isn't going to kill me is it?  She said no it won't and so I took a deep breath and though okay then I will survive??? I hate being labeled as well. I refuse to advertise too much that I had/have breast cancer. I wear pink things subtly not openly. Only because I don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry commenting on it.  I want to choose who I talk to about it! 

    I feel the anger in this thread and at first I was like whoa I have never been that angry perhaps something is wrong with me.  I hope that like someone else said I am not in denial and refusing to face reality and that is why I have this positive attitude.  Which brings me to another point.  How often do you all hear 'your positive attitude is so wonderful, you are so strong' .. i hear it over and over and think wow am I supposed to act any other way?? I mean come on!! I guess you don't know till you deal  with it.. cancer I mean.  

    I do have a very positive attitude. I just got good news that my nodes are clear YAY and so I have a positive attitude this week. Perhaps next week I will be scared and worried again about it coming back.   

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