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kimmie39
kimmie39 Member Posts: 319

Hi,

I have a very difficult decision to make and Id like some help. I have conflicting advice from 2 oncologist. And the decision is important. I could sure use some more insite from others with IBC.

So here goes.

My original plan was chemo then surgery then rads hopefully achieving NES statis.

Then my last CT scan shows scaring on my bones from bone mets that the chemo killed. This puts me in stage 4 and changes my prognosis.

Now Doc #1 says go ahead with surgery because there was significant cancer in my breast and also my nodes so having the mastectomy will help control the disease locally. then more chemo and rads. Hopefully achieving NED status.

Doc # 2 says - there is no need for the surgery because statistics say the surgery will not improve my survival rate. Start chemo back now and try to control the cancer with chemo then rads. Maybe achieving NED at some time.

It kinda seems like if we can shrink the cancer with chemo then cut the rest out with the masectomy, then NED status would be easier to achieve.

But Im no Doctor either.

What do you think? Just want some more advise to help me sort this out.

Thanks

Kim 

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  • shrink
    shrink Member Posts: 936
    edited November 2007

    I sure don't know the answer to this. You might try asking the folks on ibcsupport.org.  It's a very active, knowlegeable group who have been through just about everything with IBC. I get responses right away when I ask questions.  It seems to me that most of the women with mets, Stage 4, when diagnosed did not have surgery but I could be wrong about that and you've already had chemo. Sorry that the news wasn't better, Kim.  What a roller coaster ride this is and no fun.

    Marian

  • lexi4
    lexi4 Member Posts: 1,074
    edited November 2007

    Kim,

    Man, I sure wish I had the right answer. I would sure like to know what the docs at MD ANderson would suggest. Personally, my gut reaction would be to have the mast. But, I wanted my poison boobie off as soon as I was diagnosed. I really hadn't done much research and my IBC diagnosis came after I had a diagnosis of IDC.

    Big big hugs to you. I don't know if you pray, but if you do, perhaps that will help you come to a decision. I understand it is a tough situation.

    Lexi

  • mrs_X_Sunneedazee
    mrs_X_Sunneedazee Member Posts: 541
    edited November 2007

    Kim, I struggled with the same decision.  Here is what my doctor told me that finally convinced me to go ahead with a mastectomy, even though I was stage 4.  I had 5 months of chemo, which was intended to kill off as many cancer cells as possible.  The doctor told me there was probably remaining cancer cells that were resistant to the chemo.  If I did not have the mastectomy and the resistant cancer cells were still there in the breast, they would multiply and send out "colonies" to other places.  Then I would have resistant tumors that would be harder to treat with chemo in the future. 

    I hope this helps, and you are able to come to a decision that you are happy with.  No one should have to make this choice though!   

  • kimmie39
    kimmie39 Member Posts: 319
    edited November 2007

    Thanks for all your help and support.

    Im trying to figure out how to use the IBCsupport site. 

    Im also trying to get a second opinion at Johns Hopkins.

    Ill let ya know what happens.

    Hugs

    Kim 

  • shrink
    shrink Member Posts: 936
    edited November 2007

    Go to ibcsupport.org.  About the third line down after the title is an option to browse the archives or "join the list."  Just click on "join the list" and it will ask for your email.  You'll get a confirmation email saying you're on and you can elect email notif which is what I did.  Now I get daily emails on various topics.  If you want to ask a question, just hit reply to all and your email will open.  Change the subject line to start a new topic (surgery or no surgery?) and write your question in the narrative section.  If you want to respond to one person, just hit "reply."  Hope this helps.

  • kimmie39
    kimmie39 Member Posts: 319
    edited December 2007

    UPDATE

    My PET scan came back,

    No cancer in breast but active cancer in a lymph node under my arm and in my chest. Also active cancer in my bones. She said its like little spots all over the bones.

    Does this change any of your advise on the mastectomy?

    My doc is really against it and is adamant it wont lengthen my survival.

    I still think it will if the surgeon can get clean margins, but I doint know if thats true or if Im reaching for straws here. 

    Thanks for the help

    Kim 

  • empowerme
    empowerme Member Posts: 13
    edited December 2007

    With Stage 111B IBC, I had chemo first, then surgery, then radiation therapy and it worked well for me, thus far. I didn't have bone mets but if I have to go over this again, with bone mets, I would opt for the same structure in treatment. I am sorry that you have to go through what you are ...sometimes I wish I could take away everybody's cancer and make it my own, so that just one person will have it rather than so many...but life does not work like that unfortunately. Know though that my fervent prayers are with you.

  • lexi4
    lexi4 Member Posts: 1,074
    edited December 2007

    Kim,

    Gosh, I really wish that I knew an answer for you. I would say to go with your gut. Whatever you will find peace with. I am not sure what the stats are, but I know that every case is unique. The mast surgery wasn't difficult for me to recover from. Mentally it stunk for a while, but I realized my boobies don't define me. I just wanted to get any cancer that I could get out of there GONE!

    Big hugs to you,

    Lex

  • kimmie39
    kimmie39 Member Posts: 319
    edited December 2007

    Thanks for the replies!

    I'm trying to deal with this new chemo regimen they have me on , once a week for three wks then one wk off , REPEAT,

    They also added AVASTIN to my mix of taxol and carbo and this time it kicked my butt!! Hope it doesn't stay that way since its weekly.

    Does any of you get Avastin? How did it go for you?

    KIm 

  • kimmie39
    kimmie39 Member Posts: 319
    edited December 2007

    Hey,

    by the way anyone have info on Cancer Treatment Centers of America?

    It would really help.

    Kim 

  • watergirl
    watergirl Member Posts: 34
    edited December 2007

    Research from the past several years ago have shown that in general decreasing tumor burden improved survival in stage IV breast cancer.  Not sure about whether its equally applicable for IBC.  But this does mean that the doc who said it didn't matter may not be keeping up to date on the literature.

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    From

    Is there a place for aggressive surgery in stage IV breast cancer?

    John A. Singer MD, Guest Reviewera
    a St. Agnes HealthCare, Baltimore, Maryland, USA

    Conclusions: The authors suggest that traditional thinking about the proper treatment for patients presenting with metastatic breast cancer may need to be revised. Survival was longer when the primary tumor was removed with either a partial or complete mastectomy compared to women who had no surgery or only a biopsy. Patients with free margins did better than those with positive margins. Factors other than resection of the primary tumor that influenced survival in this group with Stage IV breast cancer were the use of systemic therapy, and the number and location of metastatic sites. Even after adjusting for these three above factors, the resection of the primary tumor remained a statistically independent variable influencing survival. 

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    Surgery of the Primary Tumor in Metastatic Breast Cancer: Closing the Barn Door After the Horse Has Bolted?

    http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/full/24/18/2694?ck=nck

    Traditionally, metastatic breast cancer is considered to beincurable, and the goals of treatment are the prolongation oflife and the palliation or prevention of symptoms. Within thiscontext, it is not surprising that local therapy is not routinelyrecommended for patients presenting with stage IV disease andintact primary tumors. Surgery is reserved for patients whodevelop complications such as bleeding, ulceration, and infectionat the primary tumor site, a type of surgery that historicallyhas been described as "toilette" mastectomy. In this issue ofthe Journal of Clinical Oncology, Rapiti et al1 present theresults of a retrospective, population-based study of the impactof surgical therapy of the primary tumor on survival outcomesin 300 women with metastatic disease at the time of the initialdiagnosis of breast cancer. The authors observed that womenhaving surgery of the primary tumor had a 50% reduction in breastcancer mortality compared with women who did not undergo surgery,the survival benefit was limited to women with tumor-free marginsof resection, and a significant survival benefit for axillarysurgery was not observed. ...

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