Starting Chemo in September?? where are you ladies

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  • Karyll
    Karyll Member Posts: 235
    edited November 2007

    You guys are so polite. Snappy? I am just a b*tch.. lmao and I have the patience of a flea.

    Karyll

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited November 2007

    When the joint pain starts from taxol, seems I start some massive food craving and feel anxious and moody.  I went from eating salty to sweet all day long yesterday.  Not a good feeling.  Hoping to do better today. 

    I'm still in the snappy category because I don't have enough human contact to get b*tchy.  I did pitch a fit the other night when the zipper on my winter jacket I just bought last year broke.  I cursed up a storm, threw it out the door, and cursed some more.  What was funny was it took me something to get the damn thing off and bf sat in his chair watching with a smile. 

  • mariettaj
    mariettaj Member Posts: 179
    edited November 2007

    Hey MaryJo, I hope you do cut back your hours...you deserve it and you need to take care of yourself. Also, you mentioned self tanner. My friend gave me a bronzer by bobbi brown and I mix some into my sunscreen and it gives me a little color, but not too much. It's kinda pricey but a little goes a long way and gives you enough color for a healthy glow. I don't think it would look like shoe polish on your head :)

    I woke up at 4am...It is so strange, I have woken up at 4am before every tx. I was laying there thinking maybe it's due to the decadron. 

    Paxton, sorry you're feeling so snappy...I have my days too, I just have to be so careful around my son, he can be sensitive, he keeps me in check.  I love how Karyll tells it like it is ...you go girl! 

    I feel so bad when I hear about you all and your cold weather. It actually is only 40 degrees here right now, but we will probably get into the 60's or low 70's for a few hours during the day. It's been an unusually warm fall here.

    TX #5 today, wish me luck, my stomach is already churning acid from the steriods and anxiety... 

    Marietta 

  • Karyll
    Karyll Member Posts: 235
    edited November 2007

    few hours behind you Marietta but I am going to the chair this afternoon for treatment #4. They don't give me drugs beforehand but dope me up there. I was awake without my alarm today too and I don't go till 1230 sheeeeesh.....

    Best wishes for the day everyone!

    Karyll

  • mariettaj
    mariettaj Member Posts: 179
    edited November 2007

    Karyll, I hate taking the decadron at night , I woke up feeling ravenous. I meet with the Onc at 12:30 and start chemo at 1:15...I'm going to pilates class this morning after I drop my son off at school to take my mind off things...My friend bought me season 1 and season 2 dvd's of Will and Grace, so I will take those with me today...

    Have a good one ladies!

    MJ (Marietta) 

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited November 2007

    Karyll and Paxton, you both made me laugh!!! Laughing I got aggravated last night at my clumsiness while cooking supper and threw lettuce in the floor-- that's about the extent of my damage (so far, that is).  And then I felt so dumb because I just had to clean it up... Surprised  Wouldn't it be funny to have videos of ourselves to watch a year from now to see how we are "handling" this tx stuff?Laughing

    Marietta, thanks very much for the tip on the Bobbi Brown bronzer.  I have wanted to try her products for a long time, so I'll go shopping this weekend.  I do plan to cut back some, if not just to focus on getting back in shape plus some quilting projects I need to get engrossed in.  That always does wonders for me.  The night before my tx's, I always toss and turn and wake up many times.  Then they give me the benadryl and I just crash.  Marietta, are you going to take Herceptin and have you started it yet?  I have had mine weekly with the Taxol and so far, no major problems. Your weather sounds so nice.

    Remember ladies,this will all be over with soon and we will be healthy again!!!

    Take care and have pleasant day-- the weekend is almost here!

    Mary Jo 

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited November 2007

    It would be funny to watch a video of ourselves.  I know I must look funny when I've dropped ten things making a meal and then throw something on the floor swearing.  My favorite two expressions (besides just blatant cursing) are "You've got to be kidding," and "For the love of God," (yelled like Chris Farley from saturday night live).

    I'm going to do my best to eat with some control today.  Eating so out of control yesterday didn't make me feel good at all. 

    I think the joint pain is much much less this tx because I didn't get the neulasta shot.  Don't want to jinx myself but this is so cool.  I haven't even taken Tylenol. 

    We had a big pipeline explosion up north during the night and I guess it'll raise world oil prices a little. 

    Well, I need to organize my mind and start the day here.  The tv shows I can stand to watch are over and that's my cue to get my s*it together. Tongue out 

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited November 2007
    I feel like a frickin cow.  I've been doing good eating today so far.  But I found a bag full of clothes I was getting rid of that were way too big before the cancer dx this summer.  I could pull the pants on and off without unbuttoning them, they were huge.  I barely fit in them now.   I am so upset.  I know I can get back in shape when I'm thru with tx but that doesn't make me feel better right now at all.  I know we're all going thru this.  It really sux!! Yell
  • StillKicking
    StillKicking Member Posts: 115
    edited November 2007

    Ladies,

    Well, I had my 4th and final chemo treatment last week.  It was truely touch and go as to whether or not I would even show up.  Yea.  Unfortunately, the side effects seem to be lingering this time.  But just the knowledge that the end is in sight is enough to keep my spirits up.   (That is as long as I don't think about my funny looking nails, black puffy looking toes, sporatic bone/muscle pain, bad taste, neasuea, fatigue, etc.) 

    Now on to Herceptin and getting my strength back.  I haven't worked (except for puzzles and on-lines spades) since surgery in August.   (Probably a bad idea, but I couldn't seem to get up the energy to do anything else.)  So, I anticipate some more pain in my future just getting back up to speed.

    Best of Luck to all you other September Chemo ladies.

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited November 2007

    Paxton, I totally feel your pain.  I have the same bag of clothes and I feel like I have three spare tires around my middle between my boobs and my waistline-- something I'd gotten rid of BBC (before breast cancer).  YES, we will lose the weight and get back in shape!!!!  Does yours feel like water retention?  Mine does, like my skin is too small for my body, and some days I am back and forth to the bathroom a zillion times, but it's like I'm still puffy even when I pee a lot.

    Newbie, congratulations on almost being done with chemo!  You are probably very smart by staying home and resting and not working.  I've worked almost every day and I am really feeling it now.  I get so tired at work around 2 pm every day, so what good am I there.  I plan to cut back a couple of hours, so don't you feel guilty about the games.  So far, the Herceptin has been very easy for me.  Good luck with yours.

    Take care everyone!

    MJ 

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited November 2007

    Hey gals got my first Taxol today it took about 4 hours, I released the hubby for this time and took one of my girlfriends but they drugged me with steroid and benadryl so much that I was napping almost the whole time anyways, I hope I was not snoring cause I caught myself drooling.. ewww... I have the Neulesta shot again tomorrow bummer...

    I just feel anxious waiting for the se's to hit me ( I know that is wrong but just can not help it ) so far I am not feeling anything other than the Benadryl fatigue and some warm feeling in my feet and my head.

    MJ you are spectacular for having worked through this crap you have a right to hurl around any kind of organic kitchen material !!

    Pax girl, your bf is a treasure.. sitting there and laughing maybe  seemed cruel at the time but  having someone  beside you who can see the humor in this mess is very nice. Oh I was going to ask you , is it possible for you to email me the picture that you drew with the snake, or do you sell the copies ? I would like to print and hang it on my wall it is soo deep and reflects soo much. my email is triagain2002@yahoo.com.

    I HAVE TO CONTROL MY STUPID BINGES. Ladies I had read somewhere that going on binges messes with your insulin levels which in turn have an unfavorable impact regarding cancer cells, thus eating small frequent meals will control the insulin and will not fee the little cancer satans.. And weight loss is basic plumbing, the more the difference between the energy spent and energy consumed the more the weigh gain. It is that simple. (easy to say right ? )

    Newbie I am leaving right now to get a puzzle what a great idea !!! And congratulations on finishing chemo.

  • mariettaj
    mariettaj Member Posts: 179
    edited November 2007

    Hey guys, I'm just home from chemo...so glad that is over, only one more to go!! yay!!

    My stomach is puffed out. It is so much worse right after I start taking the decadron...I truly look pregnant right now. yuk. People keep bringing me bags of m&m's...which is truly sweet and evil all at the same time...

    MaryJo in answer to your question I started herceptin in September with my first chemo. So I will be done with that next September. Hard to believe Chris will be a 3rd grader when all of this is finished.

    I found out today that I will most likely start radiation on January 14th.  I should be done by the end of February.

    Have a great night all.

    Marietta 

  • Karyll
    Karyll Member Posts: 235
    edited November 2007

    My chemo got cancelled today because of a cold sore. APparently the chemo will kill all those little white cells and make the coldsore herpes virus strong and virulent. SO I have to wait another week or so - maybe two if it isn't gone by next time and although may enjoy the break, am now anxious about all the juggling and time slots I have to work through AT work. To top it off, the next tx will be the night before the Staff Party and a huge head office meeting that day.... I hope I dont look too stoned on dex for that meeting...LOL...

    Anyway, that's my story today. The nice thing is that I will be in my good week (hopefully) around Christmas time.... SO everything for a reason!

    Karyll

  • StillKicking
    StillKicking Member Posts: 115
    edited November 2007

    Marietta & Bluewillow:

    I thought the big stomach was just me.  I was really beginning to worry.   Thanks for sharing and making me feel better.

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited November 2007

    Newbie, no, you're not alone.  You know the Michelin Man?  well, I feel like I look like him... Cry

    Thanks, Trigeek, for the info on the insulin and cancer cells.  That ought to be enough to scare me into action and stop this weigh gain, if I can.  I still wonder how much of it is water retention and how much is just plain fat...  anyone have an opinion on this?

    Karyll, it's good your chemo folks are being careful with the cold sore. Hope everything works out well for your staff party and meeting. 

    MJ, have you had muga scans or echocardiograms yet while on the Herceptin?  I had one before I started the A/C, then one before the Herceptin, and my heart was fine both times-- hope it stays that way.  Time is flying by-- your little guy is so precious and what a fun age he is.  Has your dr. told you exactly how many weeks of rads you have to have?  Mine has said between 4 and 7 and I wonder what is the determining factor.  

    Happy Friday, everyone!

    Mary Jo 

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited November 2007

    I know my michelin man spare tire is fat from eating too much and inactivity Surprised .  I don't feel I puffed up from the steroids.  I only get decadron in my IV with taxol . 

    I'm so excited, I only got a small amount of bone/joint pain this time (thanx to no neulasta I think) and I've felt good this whole tx so far Laughing .  I even went with bf to pool league last night.  I felt like my old self the most since all this happened and just had a great night socializing with people I haven't seen in forever and reconnecting with bf (I could see it on his face how happy he was to see me smiling and feeling good Smile ).  We even sat in bed, talking and goofing around like we used to do (this is funny: I had to wonder how well my port was sewn in from all the activity Embarassed).

    Tri: I'll try and send u a copy of that drawing. 

    Well, gotta head to town and do some errands.  Its so cold out...bleh

  • mariettaj
    mariettaj Member Posts: 179
    edited November 2007

    Hey karyll that is kind of a bummer about missing your tx, but I think it's wise in the end.

    Oh newbie, the big tummy sucks...I have been buying sweaters in the men's dept lately, which is good for me anyway because I am very tall and I like my shirts and sweaters to cover part of my butt. A woman at my sons school asked me if I lost weight recently, I'm all no I'm just buying bigger longer sweaters! :)

    Mary Jo I have not had any of those scans or echo's. Not sure why but my insurance sucks and sometimes I feel like maybe I'm getting a little less care because of it. I could be wrong...but maybe there are other determining factors. I will ask my onc next time. The Rads onc said I will have 33 tx which works out to about 6.5 weeks. I have a ct scan for rads planning on the 17th of Dec. 

    I feel badly because I wanted to take my son skiing during the winter break his school takes in February...it's the week before he turns 8 and I will not be done with rads and I don't think they will give me a pass...

    I had to go through all my medical bills this morning, so depressing. My insurance company is not covering things correctly and it is really scary every time I open a bill. I so regret ever going off my HMO, It was expensive and we were always so healthy....ah well, hindsight is 20/20.

    I hope everyone is having a great day,

    Marietta 

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited December 2007

    Marietta,

    I know exactly what you mean about the insurance thing.  And I think it is a double-edged sword.  I have good insurance and I'm sure yours is too, and I wonder how many procedures I have had that are really unnecessary just because my insurance will pay... I hate thinking that way but still have to wonder.  In comparison, I don't think you are being "under-cared for", but possibly I am receiving too much care.  My insurance was billed for over $27,000 for last Monday's chemo and Herceptin tx's, and the charges to my ins. for the four Neulasta shots I received were around $6500 each.  All I know is someone is getting filthy rich off this! 

    I am just now getting a lot of my bills straightened out too.  I went to two different hospitals for my two surgeries and what a mess! My husband knows nothing about it and doesn't want to, so that has left me with it, and I don't know much more.  It's like the drs. and hospitals charge whatever they want and sometimes the amounts aren't jiving.   

    I will have a ct scan for rads too, so that must be pretty much standard.  I am getting nervous about all these rads and rays going into my body all of a sudden... 

    You are so lucky to be tall.  I am 5'2" and every single pound is so obvious on me.  I hope you get to take your son skiing, bless his heart.  He must be such a trooper and I bet he is such a big help to you right now!  My grandbaby is due the week before my last chemo and I know my daughter will need help right in the middle of my rads, and she lives 140 miles awayCry  Damn this interruption in our lives!  Will life ever be normal again?

    Paxton, I'm so glad you're feeling good, girl!!  You so deserve it and keep those great drawings coming-- we'd love to see more!  And thanks for bursting my bubble-- I thought you'd say "it's just all water retention and it will all go away the day after the last chemo", etc.,etc. Wink

    Take care everyone and have a great Saturday evening,

    Mary Jo

  • mariettaj
    mariettaj Member Posts: 179
    edited December 2007

    Pretty soon it will all be water retention under the bridge...heehee!

    MaryJo that is amazing that your grandbaby is almost here. My radiologist said that many people don't experience fatigue until after they finish and sometimes not at all. So maybe you'll be up to helping out, even though it's a really long drive. Cut those work hours like you were thinking about....hint hint.

    Paxton I envy that you had to make sure your port was still doing ok after all the "activity", that is so awesome. It is important to have that connection even during all this. My hormones have pretty much shut down but we still snuggle and that's just fine with me. You still haven't told me what the symbols over your head in the drawings were.

    This chemo has me a bit floored this time. I am so darn tired, but I made it to my support group this morning and it was really nice. 2 new ladies in the group, sorry they had to join, but it feels good to help others and answer their questions and give them ideas and advice.

    I'm going back to lay down some more until my friend gets here with pizza!

    Marietta

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited December 2007

    We got pretty much snowed in today.  We barely got any snow last winter so it seems a little weird.  The wind is blowing terribly making big drifts. 

    I get a few days of fatigue.  I feel like I could sleep all day.  Still feeling good otherwise (well, except the finger and toes deal).  My stomach is so bloated today I feel like you could pop it. 

    Um, to answer your question marietta, the symbol in the middle of the clock is yin yang.  I like to stick that in my drawing a lot. 

    Well, bf has supper ready so yayyy....

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited December 2007

    Paxton, You lucky guys- getting snow!!! I'm wondering if we'll ever see snow again around here...  well a good snowstorm would be a good time to test that port for durability again LaughingLaughingLaughing  I don't know if mine would hold up and probably won't have to find out... my hormones and hubby's have gone the way of the buffalo, it seems Cry

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited December 2007

    I'm stuck home.  The driveway is too blown over for my car.  Bf ventured out to do a little pheasant hunting.  I really wanted to go but decided not to with all the walking.  The boys might hunt that stray bull (the one that came at me during deer hunting) down this afternoon.  It goes on the highway sometimes and the owner who doesn't bother to get it said he didn't care if someone wanted to take it down. 

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited December 2007

    I bet the snow is pretty, Paxton.  We're getting some fierce winds right now and supposedly there is a major band of rain coming for tonight into tomorrow.  We'll believe it when we see it, because it's so dry here.  Did bf have any luck pheasant hunting?  How about the bull-- is he still around?  My brother-in-law just called and said he'd downloaded photos from his game camera and there were 5 bucks, 8 does, 3 bears and too many turkeys and raccoons to count.  The camera was mounted near a feeder on the deer lease we just acquired.  Sounds like next season might be a really good one with lots of action.  I am sure looking forward to it.  I just hope it rains a lot more so fishing season is great.  We have a drift boat that we take on the rivers here and fish for small mouth bass.  Talk about FUN!  I can't wait!

    I hope everyone is feeling well tonight.  I have Taxol #4 tomorrow-- gee the weeks are flying by!  I have made up my mind that I'm not gaining one more ounce even if I have to starve, because I am so miserable and mad at myself right now for gaining.  Tonight I feel (and look) like a pregnant Michelin Man!  Marietta, I love the pun about the water retention! Laughing  Hope your pizza was good!

    Mary Jo

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited December 2007

    Hey gals, I seem to have gotten a case of restless leg sydrome with taxol ( started about 2 days after treatment) anyone else had this problem ? what did you do about it ?

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited December 2007

    Hi Tri,

    Sorry to hear you're having the restless leg problem.  I do have that during tx sometimes.  Now I am having leg cramps at night all of a sudden, and I plan to ask about it today at treatment.  My feet also start cramping and drawing up all of a sudden... do you have that also?  I will let you know what I find out.  Am getting the tingling in my hands and feet too, and they are a bit swollen, like the rest of me!Yell

    Have a great day, everyone and I will check in later after tx!

    Mary Jo

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited December 2007

    The bull is still around.  I guess the guys lost interest and went pheasant hunting.  Bf got 4.  The snow is pretty but it keeps drifting and I forgot what a pain that is.  Bf just left for work because the driveway was drifted shut again.  We're suppose to get nailed again tonight.  Makes me wish I had a 4 wheel drive truck. 

    I started my exercise program yesterday.  I did some kickboxing.  Today I think I'll just walk on the treadmill.  I have that numbness/tingling in my hands and feet.  I haven't had any restless leg problems, but I remember reading a thread somewhere that talked about that with taxol. 

    We applied for our turkey hunting licenses yesterday.  I've never done that before but bf got one last spring that we deep fried (very good).  I'm also excited for fishing next year.  I hope its better than last year.  The unusually warm winter seemed to screw everything up.  I was checking out the DNR's women's programs.  They have some interesting workshops but they cost a lot.  Some are pretty absurd (learn how to ice fish for $200).  I wouldn't mind going on the winter weekend one.  It has tons of different things you can try and its not real expensive, but it falls right toward the end of radiation.  I'm alittle hesitant to sign up even though rads is easier, toward the end the fatigue starts to hit and the chance of skin burns, etc.  I'll have to think on it I guess.

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited December 2007

    I'm having one of those days where I'm crabby and scattered all over the place.  The house was annoying me (common after the weekend with bf in and out hunting with his friends making messes everywhere they go) so I spent a lot of time cleaning.  The landlord's tractor wouldn't start so I've still been snowed in until just this afternoon.  Its suppose to snow again tonight so I wanted to get to town and do grocery shopping.  But now its getting close to supper and I still haven't collected brush for the woodstove (or walked on the treadmill for that matter).  And I need to finish up some insulating issues.   I'm not working and have no kids, where does the damn time go??  I'm just crabby. 

    I need to relax and prioritize.  I need to collect brush while its still light out.  Then I can walk on the treadmill or just do some stretching, and then work on supper.   Screw the rest.   How's that sound?  Heh!

  • Urbie
    Urbie Member Posts: 154
    edited December 2007

    Hi Ladies - sorry that I have been "absent" for awhile but I have been so busy.  My husband and I own a retail shop and from Thanksgiving to Christmas it is insane, which we love but have to get through.   I make gift baskets by the dozen and I also have another job (and two kids) too.  Busy, busy, busy... 

    Thanksgiving was great and I ate a lot.  I was careful all last week though because of the chemo tx weigh in tomorrow!  I refuse to gain weight because of this whole thing and I am holding fast.  Down ten pounds from diagnosis day and I really want to keep it off.  So many more outfits to chose from!!!  Makes getting dressed so much more fun. 

    Tomorrow is my last tx and I am sooooo excited!  And I am counting the days to my exchange surgery on December 21 (18 and counting).  It will be a Merry Christmas for me!  

    Sorry to hear about the snow Paxton.  We lived in Minnesota for five years - Twin Cities - loved it, but HATED the weather.  50's and sunny here today ~ winter in Virginia.   We will get snow, but it melts in a day or two.  My kind of winter.   

    Hope you all are well!!!!

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited December 2007

    Paxton, it's perfectly ok to be crabby.  The weather isn't exactly on your side.  I wish you could ship some of that white stuff down here.  We have three four-wheel-drive vehicles and no snow OR mud to mess around in!   I hope you can get out soon.  Just knowing I couldn't get out would make me absolutely nuts, even if I didn't need to go anywhere.  Relaxing and prioritizing sound like great ideas, and don't worry about the rest!  Just pamper yourself and don't be so hard on yourself.  Did you get your brush in?  And good for you for starting your exercise program!  I did much better with my food intake today-- no junk today and lots more water than I've been drinking.  I already feel less bloated and puffed up. I hope you get to go turkey hunting-- you will love it.  To me, it is much more exciting than deer hunting because you have to really be quiet and alert.  The first time I turkey hunted, I got one and as soon as I shot, I screamed, and my husband thought I'd shot myself!  I was just so excited, and we had a fine dinner that evening.  The breast is very delicious and tender, but the legs aren't much good eating.  Your DNR programs sound like loads of fun-- I'd love to do that one day.  Go for it and let me know how it goes!

    Urbie, WOW you had a busy Thanksgiving, and that's great!  Your gift baskets sound wonderful-- what do you put in them?  You must be really talented and creative.  And lots of congratulations on your last tx and on your weight control!!

    I had Taxol #4 today with absolutely no problems. In fact, I feel better tonight than I have in a long time and didn't get real groggy or loopy like I have been.  It was an eventful day in the chemo room.  My chemo nurse, who is a darling and happens to be an acquaintance, said their Monday had been crazy and I was witness to part of it!  There was a lady in her mid-30s who came in, got hooked up to her IV, and absolutely lost in right there in front of everyone, including her useless husband, who just sat there and never said one word!  She decided she did not want chemo and demanded to be unhooked until she could think it over.  She was upset because she wants more kids, and she has 3 already, but is refusing chemo-- none of which makes any sense to me!  I felt sorry for her, but at the same time, just don't understand-- why would she not want to be around for the 3 kids she already has?   Then, another lady who was having her last chemo tx for ovarian cancer had an allergic reaction to the Taxol and Carboplatin and every nurse there was tending to her, bless her heart.  She was real good natured and talkative, but was sneezing, having trouble breathing and was beet-red and scared everyone in the room.  She was still there when I left-- hope she's ok.

    Well that's my novelette for today.  I hope everyone is doing very well and staying warm.  Take care and the best to all,

    MJ

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited December 2007

    Pax you are motivating me, I kind of fell off the fitness wagon that I was holding onto since my dx in August, I just am tired of holding on. The onc said that the steroids gave me the restless leg syndrome and to take Ativan for it, but now my ankles are kind of aching though and my knees feel as if they are going to buckle underneath me. Will try some Advil I just need to get some good sleep.

    I thought that Taxol was going to be a breeze, well it did not hit my 'system' like AC but it surely has brought me down too. I am just sick of feeling sick.

    Urbie you lost weight ??? Good for you I gained about 15 and am on the rise last night ate everything that was not moving until I fell asleep around 4 am after giving up and popping an Ambien.

    MJ that lady refusing chemo sounds really weird (c'mon now if you care that much about kids think about taking care of the ones that you already have lady !! )
    PS: What is a DNR program ?
    Totally clueless from Sunny Florida Wink

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