How do you cope with negative people?
I realize there was a similar post a while back but my situation involves a family member. I have found this bc journey very enlightening in discovering who truely is there for your support during hard times versus individuals who are as toxic as bc itself. In my case I have been blessed with a few very dear friends who would check on me every week to keep my spirits up and encourage me in very positive ways. They helped give me hope that I could fight this situation. I even had complete strangers wish me the best and that I had a future. It was obvious (no hair or eyebrows) these strangers in passing would nod or say something so positive and inspiring it; I would sit in my car and cry as if they had physically hugged me and said everything is going to be alright.
However, the darker side of my bc journey began after the diagnosis when I had no choice but to inform certain family members. On hind sight maybe I should have had my husband make the phone calls but I needed a sense of control in what was communicated. Probably a very big mistake now that I look back.
Any way MIL(age81) is the toxic individual who made a big deal of me loosing hair and how could I possibly leave the house or be seen by anyone without a wig, etc. In addition, she makes a point of telling me everyone she knows who died of cancer. During my entire treatment last year, I cut off all physical contact with this person however this year the holidays are upon us again and I have to deal with it. My husband claims she has no idea how tactless her comments are but I can not get over the feeling she knows what she is saying (deliberate to upset me). I keep trying to tell myself she is an old lady and simply doesn't understand that medicine has progressed in the past 30 years.
So 3 weeks ago she goes for a mammogram and they fidn a timy lump. Excision biospy last week show IDC and she is going for sentinode testing next week. Well phone call from her asking me personal questions about my dx and treatment has caused me extreme stress, depression and anxiety. Initially I thought well what goes around comes around but I really would have preferred her not to have bc and now comparing her situation to me. She already has a preliminary dx of stage 1 and will undergo radiation treatments. She should count her blessings IMO and have more understanding and compassion for other bc victims (but that again is not what Im oberving).
Anyway, after my phone conversation with her asking me personal questions about my bc I later found out she ahd my SIL do internet searches for bc information. I thought this is great as maybe now she will leave me alone. However, I had a panic attack when I realized my SIL may view this website and see my posts and very easily identify me and know details I had not revealed to these toxic family members. So I change my userid in hopes she hasn't been here yet to find me. I had so much support from the ladies on this site and continue to come back in hopes of helping others. I guess you could say this was the one place where I could come to where others really understood what I had been through. I suppose the bottom line is I need to teach her that she is not allowed to treat me this way. However, since I feel it is her intent to deliberately upset me I don't want her to know how much she has succeeded. Hopefully I will find a way to get through the holidays and cope with this person because I simply cannot avoid her. So any words of wisdom are greatly appreciated as I do not want to lower my behavior to her level. Thanks for caring.
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I have a SIL who had bc just before I did and is an extremely negative person. I had to distance myself when I was going through treatment. I have intentionally protecting my identity ehre because of the reason you point out -- I don't want her finding my posts.
Wise to change your user name. I think we all need to be conscious of this. Try to distance yourself as much as you can from MIL. I know, it is hard. -
I don't have any great words of wisdom here - my first reaction would be just to avoid her as much as possible. This is what caller ID was made for. Just don't talk to her unless you absolutely must. I know you'll have to see her during the holidays - hopefully you can spend most of your time with more positive family members.
Maybe you can print out some great bc articles and pass them on to your SIL so she won't have to do too much internet reading herself.
If she calls you with questions maybe your husband can give the responses back to her.
There's no point lowering your behavior to her level, just like you pointed out. You can be a role model for her - showing her how a strong woman can go on with life gracefully through a difficult time. If she can't do the same, that is her choice. You can't control her bad behavior.
You can control how you react to her.
Good luck!
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hi,
i know alot of toxic people in my family.
don't cause yourself no stress by tolerating it.
some people just spread negitivity.
dear i hope you have great holidays with NO stress..
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Well, you certainly won't be identified by simply complaining about toxic family members! LOL There's plenty to go around. I finally figured out how toxic my sisterinlaw is recently (rants are in my thread asking people about allergies to cats). My mom is a perfectionist and worries about things that aren't even worth worrying about. I had to take a timeout from my own mom during treatments.
I hope there are others in your mil's life who can be there for her. It sounds like the price is too high for you to be part of her support system. You're still recovering from your own illness. It would be better for you to help people who appreciate you. People who don't, well, keep em at arm's length is my suggestion.
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After years of tolerating toxic family members, I just of late stated I was done.
Should they come here to look, well maybe they will get the much needed eye-opener that my personal disease somehow didn't manage to get across to them.
Sorry for your troubles. -
Looks like you have been given allot of great advice! It's a shame that your MIL made you feel bad at all going through BC. Shame, shame.
I too have found out allot about myself and others going through this journey. I am happy to say, almost everyone has been a positive force in my journey! I had to get rid of the one negative..and that was my new husband. So I do know how you feel.
Just keep your distance as much as possible, and answer questions only if you have too.
I wish you a blessed Holiday...chin up...stay positive!!
xoxo
Lisa
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Thank you all for your understanding and support. I had myself so upset I had stomach problems. I need to take deep breaths and simply let these feelings GO. In this situation the person is from an entirely different generation where they grew up during hard times. I guess it is hard for me to comprehend why she isn't more compassionate to someone else's suffering. Why to always have this negative attitude when hearing someone else is going through hard times. I guess they need to share their negative experiences for their own sense of ??? Oh well.....
Lisa - love your statement on the bottom!!!
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that was what my grandmother used to say...she spoke very little English...but in her own way...it got across! You can't change it my worring...so why bother. 'WORRY IS FOR SHIT" HAHA!
I think some people are just negative..no matter what generation or what they have gone through. I have tried to stay clear from any and all!
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I was just remembering some imagery that helped me back when my marriage was unravelling. I believe my ex was suffering from depression, and he refused to acknowledge it or get it treated. So negativity was thick in the air, mostly directed at me. I imagined myself wearing an armor of teflon as I began to protect myself from him. The negativity would come flying through air, splat as it hit the armor, then imagine it rolling off the teflon without touching you.
My mom is the same generation as your mil. I think this generation of women bought into a bogus bill of social goods. They were taught how noble it is to put family first, even if it means sacrificing every last shred of your own being. I think my mom has trouble staking a claim to her own life. So now that she's 80, I try to cut her volumes of slack and tell myself that she's lived to be 80, she can be any way she wants. ...as long as I can have my armor of teflon.
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You didn't say if your relationship with your MIL has always been strained or has just gotten that way since your bc. I know the situation is upsetting to you but if you've been close in the past perhaps your MIL is frightened and doesn't know how to react to the fear. Her age may also play a factor as that generation viewed things alot differently. Maybe you could refer her and your SIL to a different website for their information and just not mention that you belong to one. I know we all handle and react to situations different but she is elderly and I imagine quite frightened. Good luck with the Holidays.
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Cp418 - It is just so difficult when you have to have these family get-togethers - I hope you can minimise your exposure to your difficult MIL during the festive season. In some ways, a MIL like this is harder to cope with than a difficult mother because there is the relationship between her and your husband and all the other relatives. I wish you good luck.
There are many relatives on my mother's side (including my mother) who have difficult personalities. She has always spoken too loudly in public - often about things that shouldn't be broadcast! Something comes to mind that she said when I visited her a few months ago. We were in a public place and she said to me, quite loudly, "I can't believe he still loves you - now that you have had a mastectomy!" At the time it was rather embarrassing but now I laugh about it!
gb
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I know that this sounds ridiculously simple, but it has been working for me, so I'll pass it on. I come in almost daily contact with a few invasive, negative people and, for a long time, I would seethe inside and just want to kill them. Well, I still want to kill them, but the negative comments have begun to subside since I came up with a few zingers to try to stop them dead in their tracks. These are really just honest replies like "I don't really feel comfortable talking about that" or "Why do you want to know that?" (of course, that wouldn't work in your case because she has BC and wants to know your business to compare hers with it), or even just a blase "Wow, I just don't want to go there." The point is to hit the ball back to their court and try to make it so that they'll look really obnoxious if they pry any further. Having an audience always helps too.
~Marin
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Every time my MIL made one of her passive agressive "suggestions" because she was "worried" about me or Whatever. I finally just kept responding, Thank you for caring, I will consider it--whatever it was.
And kept right on doing what ever it was.
At this woman's age, SHE"S not going to change, so the only change can come from how you ALLOW it to affect you. You are in control, if you decide you will give NO weight to anything comming from her mouth, then what she says will mean nothing to you.
When I decided to forgive my dh for somethings that happened during treatment, I had to pray really LOUD and mean it. Just let me let it go. And eventually I did let it go.
I also let go of my MIL's voice in my head which was on some reel to reel tape, saying all those nasty things to me. It was such a relief.
Water off a duck's back, my Mom used to say about stupid or hurtful comments. I try to remember that.
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There is a lot of really good advice that has been posted here on this thread. I am a fan of the school of thought that you can't change the toxic behavior of someone, but you CAN change the way you deal with them in order to minimize their toxic effect on you. I had a very toxic mother and an estranged relationship with her for most of my life. The only way i learned to protect myself was to limit the amount of information regarding my life that she had. Otherwise, she would use any fact about my life against me in some kind of negative way (usually in public and in front of someone important to me). She was devastating.
I would set your boundaries ahead of time and not let your MIL hear anything about you that you don't want her to hear. In fact, i would tell her that you do not feel comfortable discussing the subject of breast cancer. If she asks you specific bc questions, divert her by telling her to ask her onc or doctors because you don't know the answer, or tell her what to look up on the internet. I think it should be perfectly understandable that people may not want to talk about their illness or experience when they are recovering and trying to move beyond it.
Remember to not give away too much of yourself because you give away your own personal power or strength that way. Good luck!!!!
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Hi there:
You have a good deal of
helpful input here
I just wanted to add my input
as.. at present.. I am dealing
with my MOM who is in her eighties
Understanding how you feel re this toxic
business, and I agree ..try to set the boundary
and you have to rise above it, because she wont
change.. I go with my Mom now for appointments etc
and caregive to a degree.. receive all types of
comments, accusations (at times)BUT.. there
can be some dementia... and we have to understand this
Sending bright light to both you
and your MIL
Not an easy situation and I know
about these toxic people
Holidays are stressful at the best of times
Put up a shield of white light
around yourself))
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Thank you all for your excellent advise. It helps to know there are others in a similar situation and I fully realize I'm allowing myself to get upset. Unfortunately I've never had a good relationship with her and my husband is caught in the middle. I have asked him several times not to tell family personal details but sometimes I think he simply opens his mouth - - - then it's too late. Since I refuse to go to her house when he visits her, I have no idea what they discuss and I don't ask. I guess part of my anger and stress comes from feeling like a victim of bc plus someone's toxic comments - - that lack of control issue maybe. There were times when I seriously thought why do I have to be polite when I really want to tell her to mind her own business. However, those are the times when I need to get grounded and learn how to deal with it. I must learn to CHANGE how I react as you all described. Thank you for all the suggestions. I also agree maybe she is a depressed person who needs to bring others down???? Hugs
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I need advice from you.
I have a college friend, who lives in Canada right now. She knew that I got BC. One of our acquaintance from college passed away from BC in 2005, at the age of 42. This friend in Canada kept sending her funeral pictures, etc., through emails to me, even though each time I did not respond. She also sends emails detailing her vivid dream about encountering this acquaintance in her dream. She does not send me anything other than something related to cancer death ( like she will send me link of someone famous died of cancer). I feel depressed each time after receiving her email. What should I do? I don't think she did this to intentionally to make me upset, but I can't understand why she does this.
Thanks a lot.
Sue
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Sue, this seems very bizarre to me. I would ask her why she is sending you such strange material.
All of us had to put up with obnoxious behavior from friends/relatives. I had more support from the ladies on these boards than my own family. I found out who my true supporters were very quickly.
Catherine
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Hi Catherine,
Thank you for your advice. I got the same feeling that I got more support here in this community, than I get from anywhere else. You are all so kind.
Sue
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Sue, send her an email that politely and formally requests that she not send you any further items related to cancer or dying.
Explain that you have decided not be associated with people who discuss negative things and if she cannot help in this way, you will no longer be able to accept her emails.
Boundries. It has to start with you. It may sound harsh, but that is what I taught all my clients who were newly diagnosed. I even wrote it out for them to carry in their wallets.
I carry the same thing in my wallet.
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Hi Ladies,
Thanks again for your wonderful advices. I sent her an email, telling her the emails she sent to me made me feel sad. I told her I would welcome any cancer survivor success story if she wants to send me emails!
Sue
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Sue, I have a lovely caring receptionist in the place where I work who always asks about my welfare. She ran the Race for Life here in the UK with my name on her back and made lots of sponsor money for cancer research.
The other day she presented me with an "inspirational" story of someone who had bc and when I reached out to take it she informed me that the lady had died the day before. Now I have read a few cancer journeys and was depressed and hopeless when they died and my doc advised me to give them a wide berth. "They are not YOUR cancer journey" he said.
I refused to take the article, explaining as kindly as I could that it wasn't for me, and she couldn't understand my refusal. I think I upset her, and I wouldn't have done that for the world, but I have to put myself first. Sadly, it's how I keep positive and deal with this my own cancer journey.
Big hugs
Valerie S
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Hi Valerie,
Thank you for your post. Now I realize maybe for some people, they don't really understand what we are going through. They thought they are helping, but they are maybe doing the opposite. I appreciate your help here. Your words make me feel better.
Sue
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