Calcifications and biopsy

JoniB
JoniB Member Posts: 346

I had a mammogram and ultrasound done earlier in the month.  Ultrasound showed 5 mm minimally complex cyst . I was told to come in for additional mammograms and was told that I had calcifications that were murky - not benign but not positively malignant.  They are unlike my other calcifications in that they are clustered.  I sought out a breast surgeon prior to having the biopsy they recommended.  Most surgeons had a two month wait so I opted for a surgeon that I could see this week, although she does not accept insurance.  Do you think it is better to address these findings as soon as possible rather than waiting?  It also seems that the cyst and calcifications are in the same area - does this have significance? 

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2007

    It depends upon how anxious this is making you, although 2 months is an awfully long time to wait if it was assumed that you had a possible malignancy. Since there's no way of knowing if the cyst is just a benign cyst or what is in the actual tissue, a biopsy, as you obviously know, is the only answer. So it's really a tough call....if there is some cancer, 2 months would be too long in my book, but if not, it's of course, better to have your insurance pay for the procedure and to know right away. Also,cancer usually takes a number of years to grow, so if you had a malignancy, probably waiting a bit won't make a big difference, unless it were a particularly aggressive tumor but, unfortunately, that caan only be determined by pathological analysis. So I guess that, if I were you, I'd try to locate another specialist and maybe see if they can at least do a needle aspiration of the cyst if not a core biopsy of the tissue. The bottom line is....what do YOU want to do and how uncomfortable will you be waiting 2 months for a definitive answer?

    ~Marin

  • JoniB
    JoniB Member Posts: 346
    edited November 2007

    They are only talking about a biopsy for the calcification - not the cyst, which I don't understand.  Can the two be related since they appear to be near each other? 

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited November 2007

    Almost all cysts are benign, although I don't know about complex cysts.



    Some breast lesions can show up in one imaging system and not others. They could be related. When I had calcifications biopsied, there was more than one patch of them, and they biopsied each.



    Biopsy is the 'gold standard' way of knowing what is going on. If they are recommending biopsy, then I'd go ahead with that - is the biopsy covered? In the unlikely event that it was cancer, then that information would probably put you on a faster track with the surgeon who is covered by your insurance.



    If they are near each other and show up on mammo together, they may be able to biopsy both at the same time. (Often calcifications show up on mammos and not on ultrasounds, and often cysts show up on ultrasounds and not mammos. This is by no means an absolute rule.)

  • PSK07
    PSK07 Member Posts: 781
    edited November 2007

    Joni - that's a long time to wait.  Did you have your primary care physician call the doctor you'd like to see and try to get you in sooner?  I go to a comprehensive breast center where they are able to do biopsies (stereotactic, ultrasound-guided, etc) on site w/o requiring a surgeon.  Initial mammogram to biopsy to diagnosis was <2 weeks. That might be another way to go. 

    If it is calcifications and they're thinking DCIS, two months is probably ok, but it depends on your comfort zone. Given the thousands this will end up costing, you'd definitely be better off with a qualified surgeon who is in your insurance plan.

    take care. 

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited November 2007

    The cyst and the calcifications are probably unrelated.  I've had cysts all over both my breasts and I've also had calcifications.  From my understanding, there is no relationship between the two.

    To be defined as a "simple" cyst, a cyst has to meet some very stringent criteria.  Simple cysts are almost always benign.  They have a single compartment of fluid, well defined walls..... Anything else is called a "complex" cyst.  Complex cysts can be cancerous, although one report I read indicated that less than 0.5% of complex cysts are cancer. Still, if you have a complex cyst, it should be aspirated.  I've had lots of aspirations.  It's a 2 minute, painless in-office procedure in which the doctor inserts a needle & syringe into the area of the cyst, and retrieves all the fluid.  Just like that, the cyst is gone.  If the fluid is clear or cloudy, whitish, yellowish or greenish, it's fine.  If the fluid includes blood, then the sample should be sent to the lab to be checked.  Some people may consider an aspiration to be a biopsy, but really it's not.  That might be why it's been suggested that you only have a biopsy on the calcifications.  The calcifications require a stereotactic biopsy.  This is a type of biopsy done using a core needle (a holllow needle), with the technican guided on the needle placement by a mammogram machine.  The cyst doesn't need to be biopsied - it can simply be aspirated on the spot by the surgeon.  If the surgeon doesn't offer to aspirate the cyst, you should definitely insist on it.

    As for waiting 2 months for the appointment, medically that's probably not a problem. Most breast cancers have been in the breast for 8 - 10 years before they are discovered.  And chances are that your calcifications are run-of-the-mill, benign calcifications.  But if they're not, they may be a sign of ADH (a pre-cancer), DCIS (stage 0 breast cancer) or possibly earlystage IDC (stage 1 breast cancer).  These conditions are usually considered to be slow-growing.  So it's unlikely that 2 months would cause a problem medically.  The question is whether you could get through 2 months without worrying too much and stressing yourself out.  I think the suggestion of having your doctor call the surgeon's office to try to get you an earlier appointment is a good idea.

  • JoniB
    JoniB Member Posts: 346
    edited November 2007

    Thank you all for replying.  The core needle biopsy, done at a center, will be covered.  The consultation with a surgeon out of plan is not.  I do not need to meet with a surgeon at this point but I feel that I need someone to sit down and talk to me.  The written report sent to my ob/gyn is not giving me or him enough information.  Is it worth $400 for peace of mind?  Gee I hope so, since that is what I will be paying.  My plan is what leaf was suggesting.  If it turns out to be malignant, I hope that the surgeon in my plan will see me sooner.  I could not afford surgery with someone out of network, but I will spring for the consultation since I cannot be in the dark for 2 months.  

  • LittleOldWineMaker
    LittleOldWineMaker Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2007

    Lump which I discovered a couple of weeks ago, I felt, husband felt, dr felt; did not show up on mammogram in March; did not show up on sonogram a couple of weeks ago; but dense breast (implants), sister w/breast cancer at 39 - take no chances.  B9.  May have to get lumps removed (through surgical means) everytime because of implants...dr (GYN) won't stick a needle in a cyst, even to try to draw out the fluid in it for biopsy, so just go in, go to sleep, wake up w/results.  This is my 3d B9 tumor.  Fatty lumps - no reason, just there (but I did breast feed 2 children).  The last 2 lumps have been right below the nipple area.  One scar very visible; other 2 right around nipple area...don't show.  But boy was this last one sore...and very bruised.

  • KarenC
    KarenC Member Posts: 66
    edited November 2007

    I had calcifications too for the first time and I had a stereotactic biopsy but with a vacum needle- Mammotome in which they only insert the needle once to get the samples whereas the core needle is inserted  and taken out and then re-inserted several times to gain a variety of samples from the same area.

    I had local anesthesia and was in and out after an hour and half total-biopsy time was only 15 to 20 minutes, if that. I then had a clip inserted couldn't feel a thing and then had a mammmogram afterwards to make sure clip(size of sesame seed) was in right place where biopsy had been. I have to go back in February for check-up and another baseline mammogram (it will have been 6 months by that time).

    Cost of my biopsy with insurance was $3,000 I had to pay only

    $347.00 to the hospital and $150 to the radiologist. I am sorry that the surgeon won't be covered but I do think that $400 is worth your peace of mind.

    You need to know for sure or you will be just be wondering day after day-that will only increase your stress level.

    Take care, let us know how you are doing.

    Karen

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