SO DAMN MAD!!!
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Some of you may remember me and obviously others won't know me but I am hoping for some advice please ladies!!
Well I have some news....I went to my herceptin and onc appt on friday and he told me that "we don't think its mets (the liver spots that were 'mets' a year and a bit ago) so we are stopping herceptin at your next visit". I am in 2 minds about this and I am hoping you ladies can shed some light on it all!!
As you might know I have been on the rollercoaster from hell with all of this liver stuff. The initial liver dx was mets and I was treated for it which literally nearly killed me, put my family through living hell (my children are still suffering from it- my eldest just had an appt with child and youth mental health on top of all the other child psychologists and behaviouralists) and just about destroyed all of us. Then they said it wasn't mets so stopped treatment. Then we don't know so we'll treat as it was just incase.
Now the same onc and same radiologist are saying it never was mets!?!! How do I believe them? How do I know THIS is the right diagnosis? No new scans have been done since 6 months ago so its not as though new info has come to hand its like they have just "decided". People have said to me that it is great news (which it is obviously!) although the cloud of uncertainty this "diagnosis" has come under is just a bit much for me. How can they just decide this week its not mets after so much uncertainty when they were so SURE it was mets originally? (Never had a biopsy due to the uncertainty of 'possible' blood flow through the region-long story)
I am really angry. Every day is filled with anger. And this was even before Friday's newest diagnosis. I am white hot with rage most days. Am already on Lexapro which has been upped from 10mg to 15 to now 20mg. I am cancerfree which has been my dream, my friends and family are moving on from it all but I am just SO MAD. I can barely function- I scream incessantly at the kids, pick fights with just about everyone, have no patience or tolerance. My relationship with the kids is average at best (you may remember they are now 2 and almost 5- new born and 2.5yrs at dx) because of how mad I am. My partner and I are just holding on.
How do I trust this newest dx and move on from my anger?
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Leanne -
How terrible Leanne...to have been through all this...even though if it's not mets that is great news. I have always sat on the fence so to say and take the docs and oncs with a grain of salt. I can't understand how they can all have such different opinions.
I would definitely insist on all the tests to confirm that it is not mets.
Good luck and take care
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They say I have pretty much had all the tests they can do without doing a biopsy- CT, MRI, red blood cell differential (nuclear medicine), PET and of course tumor markers. I am not too sure if there is anything else that can be tested??
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Oh Leanne....what a dreadful rollercoaster you have been on. Your emotions must be all over the place.I really,really hope they are right and you can believe that it is not mets - but I would seek a second opinion, if only to be sure in your own mind that this is the case.
If you can't get a second opinion, then you need to have a lengthy conversation with the onc team as to WHY they thought it was mets originally and WHY they are so sure it is not now.And WHY can't you continue with herceptin? It is to prevent progression of disease, not just to treat it.
Lots of questions to ask.
You need definitive answers.
Sam
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I agree with Sam...get some other doctors to read your scan results and find out why you need to get off Herceptin. You need to feel confident in what they are telling you, you need to understand it and feel you are getting the proper treatment.
Good luck.
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If it was me I'd get a 2nd and maybe 3rd opinion while feeling cautiously optimistic. Cancer is enough of a roller coaster without not knowing if you're dealing with mets after a whole year of treatment.
A few weeks ago there was a story on our local news and the reporter talked about "a woman's worst nightmare". She was misdiagnosed with breast cancer and had an unnecessary mastectomy. Apparently they gave her the results of another woman's mammogram. They discovered this after the surgery, she didn't have chemo or radiation. The woman was suing and said her life was ruined. How ironic, I thought, because what happened to her is probably most breast cancer patients' greatest wish-- that the cancer was not.
I definitely understand being angry, but try not to let that overshadow the potentially good news. If it turns out you are and were cancer free, the herceptin probably gave you an extra boost so that you'll stay that way!
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Leanne,
I remember your earlier postings. What a nightmare. Anger, resentment and frustration seem like rational responses given the circumstances.
Hope you don't mind me playing amateur psychologist but you might try to figure out a way to focus the anger (in a positive way of course) at the medical establishment. Of course, the doctors just expect you to be grateful that you don't have liver mets. Is there a counselor or psychologist associated with your doctors? Perhaps he/she could suggest a way to use your anger to educate the physicians.
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Dear Leanne-
Wow...what a mess! I would be beyond mad. You have every right to be angry, and then some. The hard part is to find a focus for your anger that is productive instead of destructive. I didn't have anywhere near the type of situation you are gong through and dealing with the anger was still one of my biggest obstacles. I know this will make me sound like some kind of a Pollyanna, but what really helped me was finding someone in worse shape than myself and helping them....simple things like making a meal or crocheting some hats for my chemo center helped me to quit focusing on my problems and the anger kind of melted away. It still comes back now and again, but for the most part I have control again. I also think time is a factor. You still have indecision and not enough information you trust, it must me awful!
As far as the clinical end of things....do they have a tumor board at the hospital you are being treated at? I'm not sure if things are done the same way there, but hospitals here have a process where periodically the whole oncology department, and many times doctors form other departments will collectively review difficult cases. The goal is to work together to find a diagnosis or treatment plan. It is kind of like a super-second opinion because you have lots of docs reviewing together. I would ask for your case to be reviewed by the tumor board and then also ask for a records review at a totally different hospital. A records review is like a second opinion without them seeing you, just your records. The good thing about it is you don't have to pick a hospital near you...go for one that has a big breast health clinic or a big teaching hospital with a good reputation. I don't know anything about hospitals there, but I bet you could check around. I would ask for both a radiologist and an oncologist review all you tests.
I can not even imagine how stressed this must be making you. Hang in there. Let us know what you decide and how you are doing. Hugs to you and your whole family.
Deb C
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Leanne, you have been given good advice by the women. I just wanted to say how very sorry I am that you have been dealing with this thinking you had mets. And you still do not know the answer..whether your doc has it right or not. I would be so angry also. Taking away this much of your life thinking you had mets is just horrible. I am hoping you can find the true answer. I also am hoping that it was NEVER mets. And I'm praying for your peace of mind.
Shirley
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Wow... your story is incredible.
I would get another opinion as some have said here. I wouldn't trust those doctors either after being treated the way you have.
Wendy A
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I so remember you! What a trip you've been on!
Well, rage, sounds perfectly reasonable to me! it's hard to turn off tho, and I know you don't want to turn it on your family and yourself.
I'm with you: what happened over the last 6 mos, with no new testing that changed the treatment?> Somebody have a dream or a visit from one of the saints? That HAS to be cleared up.
And as far as the second opinons, yep, sounds like a review by Dana Farber, Vanderbilt, NYC, or any of the other biggies, would be a great place to start to assure you that stopping treatment is the thing to do. I'd make them PROVE to me that I needed to stop treatment, not just that the gov't was cutting how it is paying for the treatments!
I live where we had an onc giving tx that was cut with saline and on top of that was giving tx to people who didn't even have cancer, all just for the bucks.
NOt that that is you, but I'd sure make sure they are on the right track this time.
Hugs, and get a pair of boxing gloves and wear out the wall if you need to!
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Hi, Leanne.
I don't think we've met. Your rage is absolutely justifiable. I can't believe what you & your family have been put through. It's also frustrating when you see family and friends moving on from your cancer, when you can't. Kind of like you're left holding the bag........alone. Everyone expects you to feel euphoric, but how can you with all this uncertainty hanging over you. That, in itself, is enough to send anyone over the edge on a daily basis. Perfectly natural to want to lash out.
Is the inability to do a biopsy on this a permanent condition?
I hope something will happen, some new test, SOMETHING that will give you the peace of mind you need...and deserve.
Take care~
Patrice (gsg)
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Hi Leanne,
good to hear from you, even when you are boiling MAD. Yes, I remember your story.I was surprised you weren't this mad initially when they told you all that chemo was for NOT mets...what you and your family went through...
I think it is OK to be mad about anything but it should be as brief as pssible. Being angry takes so much negative energy from you. And you can only change the future not the past. It may be difficult for you to believe your present medical team no matter what they decide. It may be time to get a new team together if possible. Not to say that they are wrong, heck I HOPE they are right and all is well with you. But.. so much of the doctor patient relationship is based on trust and well, you have had svefral major changes.
Worst nightmare??? Far from it, you may be dodging a BULLET. Try to keep space for being well and truly NED for the first time in 2 years. You may find it a great spot to be in.
Fists up!
Mary-Anne
P.S. your new avatar is beautiful!
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Hey hon, I remember you.
Cancer can make anyone mad, if not bitter. I have had some issues myself with another situation, but I am sure part of it is my anger of cancer manifesting itself.
Besides getting a second opinion, I would go see a counselor. You have been through a war and you have PTSD. It is normal and common, you need help getting through it. You can't do it on your own anymore.
I went to a counselor because I didn't like who I have become. I didn't like myself as a mother.
take the first step. I can believe how long your hair is btw.
Janis
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Wow thanks so much ladies. Just being 'heard' for the first time in a looooong time is such a relief and having all my feelings validated has really helped. Thank you.
I have been in touch with a breast care nurse at another hospital and am hoping to see her "off the record" sometime this week and arrange another opinion with an onc at her hospital.
My partner can't believe how much I am stewing over all of this and it makes me feel like I am being ungrateful for my news. I swear I am not ungrateful just terrified of the onc/docs being wrong....AGAIN.
Janis, I think you are right- I think I am gearing myself up for some counselling. I had it on and off during treatment but I think now I need some for these feelings. I hate who I have become and me as a mother- it is appalling I feel. BTW- my hair is extensions! I loved them so much I have since been trained in how to do them and do them from a salon not far from home!
Thank you all from the bottom of my heart I will keep you posted!
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Leanne,
I'm upset for you and what these doctors have put you through this last year. I'm glad you're considering counselling and are getting another opinion. You need to be able to trust your team and I don't see how that could be possible.
If you can give yourself a "time out" when you feel like screaming at the kids, do it. I'm something of a screamer myself at times and I hate how it sounds - I try to remove myself before it gets that far.
Don't beat yourself up - save that for the doctors! I hope they finally got their heads out and are right, you're NED. They took a year, try not to give them too much more.
Kari
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Leannem - I can totally understand why you're angry -- and it's in the face of seemingly good news!
I think you're right to be considering some counseling and another opinion. This kind of on-again, off-again situation would drive anybody nuts.
I hope you can get things straightened out and move on.
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Hi Leannem: I understand your anger. I was misdiagnosed for almost two years and that was so frustrating so everytime I go for my chemo or look at my scar I fume because it could have all been avoided. I too have tomours in the liver and they won't biopsy because its really a bad area the liver moves so much and its really messy so they say. So on Dec 6 th I go for my second MRI to see if they are smaller or gone. It's so hard to wait and not know for sure. I was so angry my sister couldn't stand it anymore and made my onco prescribe lorazepam to stop my bad moods. My sister always makes me take my (Grumpy pills) when she's here. But the anger is terrible I yell at my broom my vaacuum, a dirty dish, the garbage bag that won't tie right and sometimes at my poor little cats, thank God my boys are adults and on their own. Your husband needs to pick up some of the slack with the kids and get any friends to help right now until your anger subsides. I'm going to sue the Doctors that caused this because when I first noticed the lump it was small and the Doctors said it was nothing even after it grew to a ridiculous size they even put me on antidepressants because I felt so bad I insisted on bloodwork and it to came back bad and of course they said it was just some unknown infection. Well they were wrong to the tune of my life. That causes me anger.
If I were you I'd get another opinion I saw three different doctors andthey were all wrong it took my back doctor to feel it once and she knew it was bad in two weeks I was in surgury. So once I get my law suit going I know it will help my anger I also think the chemo itself is causing alot of the anger and living with the fear of losing everything is hard. Maybe try a counsellor it can't be easy on you you get angry and then you have to deal with the guilt of being angry I feel so bad for you and completely understand it at the same time. Good luck and I really hope you get some relief.
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oh dear,
i can understand why you are angry i would be to.
i would get a second opinion.
what a horrible rollercoaster you have been on.
i feel mad for you.
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