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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    I'm a freaking disaster in the kitchen. Mrs. Grass and I made soup yesterday and I added chicken, extra noodles and rice. I was waiting for it to cook and accidently left it out last night. It was out for about 15 hrs, the noodles were still warmish when I put it in the fridge. Am I going to get food poisoning if I eat it?

    Thanks.

  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited October 2007

    I would not eat it, but I am a bit of a freak about that stuff - I have digestive problems and I would worry about the chicken having spoiled.  JMHO

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    I kind of thought that's the answer, I just hate to waste food, particularly on the rare occasion I actually made something edible.

  • KariLynn
    KariLynn Member Posts: 1,079
    edited October 2007

    I think 2 hours is all they say to leave food out before putting away leftovers.  Would not chance 15 hour chicken!

    Congrats on cooking something you'd want to eat again!

  • AlaskaDeb
    AlaskaDeb Member Posts: 2,601
    edited October 2007

    OK...here is my grandmother's rather old fashion advice on food....

    She used to laugh at me because I threw out SO much food she thought was fine.  she was raised without refrigeration in her house, only occasionally had ice in the ice box.  They had a little cupboard made with wire in the wall of the kitchen that set outside the  house...they put food in there when it was cooler outside than in the house.  They also kept milk in the pumphouse where the creek kept it cool. 

    She said there were two things that happen to food when you leave it out; either it grows bacteria faster than it would in the fridge, or it would flat-out rot if left out too long.  Her theory was that if something was left it out just overnight it probably had more bacteria than was healthy, but if you REHEAT it, you kill all that bacteria.  Overnight was not long enough to rot something, so in her mind if you heat it again, and the bacteria was killed, it was fine too eat.

    She ate that way her whole life...left food out ALL the time, and never got sick from it. 

    Since you can reheat the soup, I think you could eat it.  If it were something you couldn't reheat, I would probably toss it. 

  • Mizsissy
    Mizsissy Member Posts: 371
    edited October 2007

    Amy,

    Have I got a good cookbook for you!  It's called Slim Wok Cookbook by Ceil Dyer and it's been out of print for over a decade.  I discovered it about 17 years ago at Borders (the original Borders in Ann Arbor), and its been our Marriage Bible.  Our lives have been constructed around that book, because we ate out of it five nights a week for the past 17 years and learned all about spices all over the planet. A nice dinner at night is the highlight of our social life every day.

    The only equipment you need is a nice wok, cutting board, and cutting knife.  A wooden spoon for stirring things on the stove is helpful. 

    Most of the dishes pull together in ten minutes.   It's basically cooking rice and cutting up vegetables (& chicken or other meat) and throwing it all   together in a wok for five minutes.  The author has sampled every cuisine in the world and knows all about spices, so you have to stock up.

    But wow!!!!...everything tastes good and it is all full of fresh vegies and spices and very healthy and good for you.  You can eat Chinese, Middle Eastern, or French and pull it together in just a few minutes. And the leftovers make lunch the next day.  You never have to worry about things getting spoiled (as long as you put them in the refrigerator) because everything gets eaten so quickly.

    You can find it at Amazon or bookfinders.com.

    Mizzy

  • sns
    sns Member Posts: 60
    edited October 2007

    Personally, I don't think I would risk eating chicken that sat out overnight. (Of course, that may be more of a problem here in Arizona then in most places.) 

    I still think I'm the worst cook on the planet. Fortunately my partner likes to cook, so I haven't starved or poisoned anyone yet.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    Deb, my friend said the same thing as you. She's an excellent cook and told me she made turkey soup saturday and left it out overnight to cool. She also gave me the caveat about reheating it well. I'm going to try it and take a bite, if I feel skeeved out, it's getting trashed.

    Mizzy, your cookbook sounds like WAY TOO MUCH work for me lol-- you lost me at cutting board. I have this problem of reading the recipe, telling myself I have to follow it, then deciding it might be better if I use more of this or that or substitute this or that-- and who needs a measuring spoon? Seriously though, I might look into it-- dumb question about woks, do they plug into the wall or do you use the stove?

    SNS, we need to have a worst cook bakeoff! Now I need to find a partner who cooks, cleans, fixes things including cars, does great massages,  is intelligent, funny and lovable. That's not too hard is it Wink.

  • Mizsissy
    Mizsissy Member Posts: 371
    edited October 2007

    Amy,

    OK, we're talking about some very Serious Culinary Challenges here.  What can you put together?  Can you make a sandwich?  A salad?   Do you eat a lot of pizza and frozen dinners?

    I am worried that you are not getting your proper allotment of  nutrients from fresh vegetables, fruits, and proteins. You need vitamins and antioxidants to fight cancer. Cooking does not have to be hard.  You don't even need a recipe.

    Any vegetable can be boiled in water or steamed...in just about five minutes.  You can cut things up (or not); a good rule of thumb is to cook to the peak of color.  In fact, the more color a vegetable or fruit has, the more nutritious it tends to be.

    Most fruits are best raw, without any processing at all.

    Almost any meat that can be divided into serving portions between 1/2 and 1 inch thick can be pan fried ..in about 15-20 minutes (i.e., ground beef patties, chicken fillets, pork chops, steaks). Fish fillets too, they cook even quicker.  Just spray in a little oil first. The only spices you actually "need" for any cooked meat or vegetables are salt & pepper.  You can test for doneness by making a test cut in the middle of the meat.

    Any meat that is bigger than portion size can--like a chicken, or turkey, beef roast, pork--can be roasted in the oven.  A good basic rule is 350-375 and 20 minutes per pound.  

    But chicken soup that has sat out overnight is a science project!!!  Meat broth at room temperature is used in laboratories to culture bacteria!!!

    Good luck!!! 

    Mizzy

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    Serious, serious culinary challenges, made worse by lack of interest and desire. I like fruits and veggies raw. I could live on fruit, I eat dried fruit in the winter when I can't get peaches, plums, necatrines and berries. The only cooked veggies I like are corn and potatoes and I can deal with steamed cauliflower. I'm a lazy cooker. 

    I've always been a picky eater. I'm real sensitive to certain  textures in my mouth, tastes and smells and it's been worst since chemo. When that happens I feel nauseous, crackers and pretzels help. I eat a lot of bland foods and that helps.

    If I can't cook it in a toaster oven, it doesn't get cooked. It's hard for me to be on my feet for too long because of the fibro.

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2007

    OK Amy here is Paul Lynde's famous Beef Stew (can use lamb or chichen)

    2 to 3 lbs of  stew meat

    1 can sliced carrots (drained)

    1 can green beans (drained)

    1 can sweet peas (drained)

    1 can stewed tomatoes

    1 can new pototoes (drained)

    1 can french onion soup

    1/2 cup of red wine

    2 tablespoons of brown sugar

    2 to 3 bay leaves (spice section)

    Amy put into slow cooker on low or in a roaster pan into an 250 degree oven for 7 hours (no peeking).  Amy I have been buying the organic canned vegetables which most grocery stores have been carrying now.....................this really is good and very easy to do...no chopping..........won't be on your feet too long........good luck......................cooking is not that easy............shokk

    Paul Lynde from Bewitched and Hollywood Squares..........

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited October 2007

    Shokk...I am soooooooooooooooooooo going to try that recipe, thank you!

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2007

    shokk, that recipe SO sounds like the bachelor stew my DH used to make every week before we were married.  Only, he used a pound or two of hamburger, no red wine...........

    PRAmy, I would only eat that soup if I were seriously hard up financially that I could not afford to waste a single cent.   OOOwweee!  Ptomaine city, here I come. LOL Tongue out

    Tina

  • nosurrender
    nosurrender Member Posts: 2,019
    edited October 2007

    Hey Amy,

    I used to be a chef. Well, I still am, but don't do it professionally anymore.

    DON'T eat it.

    You don't want to get sick. 

  • sns
    sns Member Posts: 60
    edited October 2007

    I did run across a cookbook that even I can deal with when absolutely necessary. Something like 5 ingredient slow cooker cookbook. Basically dump a maximum of 5 things (usually frozen or canned) in a slow cooker, ignore for many hours and it's actually edible when it's done.

    Bakeoff? Does frozen pizza thrown in the oven count? (Cold pizza ... the perfect breakfast food!)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Amy, yes indeed, use a crock pot.  When I make beef stew in it I put all kinds of veggies in it.  If you are that picky then put the veggies you like in it and it the other stuff you like raw...on the side. LOL  Serve it over rice (brown is best if you can eat it).

  • MargaretB
    MargaretB Member Posts: 1,305
    edited October 2007

    Amy, I wouldn't eat it - $5 worth of groceries is not worth getting sick over.

    Margaret

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2008

    One thing you really need to watch with canned vegetables is the amount of sodium in each can.  It can be quite a lot.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    I don't Amy is worried about the cost....I think she's thinking, DARN, I FIXED A DECENT MEAL AND NOW I HAVE TO THROW IT AWAY!?

    Yell

    LaughingShirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2008

    Amy

    I'm in the same boat with ya!  My motto on food is 'if its not frozen and microwaveable, I don't buy it!'

  • celia088
    celia088 Member Posts: 2,570
    edited October 2007
    I absolutely agree with all here that said DO NOT EAT IT.  The fact that it was still warm after 15 hours means that all kinds of bacteria were happily growing in the warm, cozy atmosphere.  I always throw out anything questionable from my fridge or freezer, just to be safe. We have 12 hour long (or more) power failures several times a year in the Pacific Northwest from windstorms and i get rid of everything in my freezer and fridge.   Just not worth the risk, especially if your immune system is touchy after treatment.
  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    You got it Shirley-- that's my thinking at all. I took a bite yesterday and all your thoughts were in my head so i chucked it all pot and all. Now about the brown rice-- I usually use minute rice, can I cook the rice in with the beef stew? That would make it easier for me.

    Shokk that does sound a good recipe-- do you think it would be ok if i made it without the carrots, beets, beans and tomatoes? I could put corn in it, I like cooked corn-- (this is probably where I start going astray in my culinary skills).

    SNS cold pizza is the BEST. My grocery store makes fresh pizza and it's $4.99 on the weekends-- even cheaper than some of the frozen pizzas. I often get that and it lasts 3 days!

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2007

    Oh, that stew recipe.  I forgot to mention that my boyfriend (now DH) used to make that in the days pretty much before crock-pots, so he used a pressure cooker.  I have to say, I rarely use the pressure cooker because I keep forgetting about it, but is sure makes almost anything tender and tasty in about 20 minutes or less.  You just have to get over your fear of the whole shebang EXPLODING on you.  LOL

    Tina

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007
    I don't even know what a pressure cooker is, so I assume I don't have one Tongue out.
  • LisaSDCA
    LisaSDCA Member Posts: 2,230
    edited October 2007

    Amy, the crockpot recipe will work with any vegetable, but your body needs something GREEN (or red or orange) now and then.Wink

    However, if you take out the some of the other veggies and put in corn, could you at least put in cauliflower? Don't forget to remove the bay leaves before serving. And no - don't put the minute rice in with it - it already has the potatoes (and corn) so there's plenty of starches. But we need to think of another veggie to put in there with all of that meat. . . the peas are okay, right (even though they are starchy, too)? Do you like sweet potatoes? How about zucchini? Maybe butternut squash? Help me out here, girl!

    Lisa

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2007
    Amy you can put anything in the stew you want as long as its in a can and Jas is right many canned vegetables come in low sodium or no sodium............the last thing you need is a pressure cooker........did you ever see that I Love Lucy epsiode were Lucy and Ethel go to work (candy factory) and Ricky and Fred stay home and do housework and cook.........remember Ricky is cooking the chickens (in the pressure cooker) and the pot explodes and the chickens end up on the kitchen ceiling????? Amy you have survived bc but a pressure cooker don't think that's a good ideaLaughing........hate to read about you in the Phildelphia papers...........bc survivor is killed by pressure cooker.............ha....................Shokk
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Most pressure cookers are different today than when I was young.  I can remember the top exploding also.

    Amy, do you like red bell peppers.  They are sweeter than green bell peppers.  Now, Amy, if you were my little girl I'd say at least try it.  When you cook beef stew in the crockpot you'll be surprised at how good the other veggies taste.  Just put a few things in..like carrots, green beans, ptotatoes, onions.  My husband does not like onions RAW, but he'll eat them in cooked foods.  And, if you don't like them you can push them aside, but you'll still get the flavor of a good stew.  Hmmmm....I'm trying to think of veggies that my grandchildren like...LOL

    Shirley

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    I like green veggies that aren't cooked, like salad, peppers, cucumbers, string beans-- just not cooked (never peas lisa). I get skeeved out with things that are mushy-- I have a very sensitive gag reflex.

    Shokk, you know that commercial when  Lynn Redgrave says all the ways she wants to die and then adds she doesn't want to die of cancer? Maybe I could add, I want to die from a pressure cooker Tongue out - lol.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2008

    So, I guess okra is out too?

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    I actually like okra--but not cooked-- at least i think when I've eaten it it wasn't cooked. It's white and crunchy, right?

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