DIMSO for joint pain?

Did we discuss it?Is it bad for us, or could it be helpful?

I got a mailing about "Soothanol X2", which contains DIMSO as well as ..orange peel,And other stuff.

Interesting.The testimonials were great! The stuff is costly.I liked that you dont need Aspirin or NSAIDs.

(I am obviously on a master Sapsucker list)!It angers me that they know I'm hurtin, and are trying to make $ from my pain.

But if it works........?

If you try Northstar Nutritionals.com, or google Soothanol, you can read about it...

Please opine!

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  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    Joan-No question that DMSO can relieve pain. And it has been around for ages. But its purity has always been in question because its so readily absorbable,  in fact at one point it was considered a vehical to get other meds absorbed.  The purity of DMSO has always been in question because its been used as a dry cleaning solvent (I think) and to clean metals.

    Because it is such a good solvent it is able to carry impurities into your system, so you have to be super careful of the purity of what you are getting.  Because it can penetrate the skin and other parts of the body very quickly any impurity could be quickly transported and that is the danger.

    Of course as usual there is no incentive for Big Pharma to sink any money into it because its not patentable as a drug!  No incentive=no trials to demonstrate its effectiveness or hazards. And no incentive to get FDA approval.

    Bottom line Joan--If you are going to experiment with this stuff make sure it is medical grade.

    Better yet you may want to wait for a new concoction that is using DMSO as a vehicle to transport an NSAID topically.

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    A Canadian company has applied for FDA approval for what would be the first prescription topical NSAID to be marketed in the United States.

    Called Pennsaid (for penetrating NSAID), the drug uses the penetrating properties of DMSO as a vehicle to carry the prescription nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) diclofenac through the skin to joint, says Peter Block, corporate communications director for Dimethaid, the Ontario-based company seeking to market the drug.

    (Over-the-counter salicylate, or aspirin-like, creams are already available. Dimethaid says this prescription drug uses a stronger NSAID, and that the DMSO will make it penetrate deeper.)

  • LisaSDCA
    LisaSDCA Member Posts: 2,230
    edited October 2007

    Joan, I believe DMSO's primary value is as an epidermal penetrant. It will carry anything transdermally. Why one would want to do that with orange peel, I couldn't begin to guess. I was given a prescription, filled at a compounding pharmacy, for a topical pain ointment containing DMSO, anti-inflammatories, analgesics and anesthetics (for musculoskeletal pain due to my autoimmune diseases) that worked pretty well - mostly because it worked quickly. I gave some to my NCAA volleyball athlete daughter for her overworked/multi-injured knee and she got 'some' relief. It treats symptoms, not causes.

    Of course, after my first (generous) course, the insurance co. denied any refills.

    Personally, I'd give this come-on a pass. DMSO itself is very cheap.

    Lisa

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    Here Joan is some info on Pennsaid.  Apparently its

    already approved in Canada and has a good chance

    of being approved here before years end.

    I think that would be a much safer and effective way to go. I should imagine that you may also be able to get your plan to pay for it once its approved.

     http://www.drugs.com/nda/pennsaid_070307.html

  • flash
    flash Member Posts: 1,685
    edited October 2007

    Finally, a question I know a lot about.

    DMSO on it's own is an one of the best anti-inflammatories known.  It can carry any molecule into the body that has the right physical size but unable to normally go through because of negative polarity. So, you must apply it with gloved hands, and use a high grade formulation. You must be careful that nothing comes in contact with the area for 20 minutes(the penetration time)

    It has a very long half life in the body and was found superior in one study to conventional treatment for arthritis.  However,and this is the really big however,  there has not been any study on long term effect in the body. It will be exuded from the body through skin, lungs, urine. You will have an "oyster" taste in your mouth for approximately 3 days. 

    It originally was used in the lab as a cleaning agent and to lyse cells.

    In 1960 it started being used on people and animals. Very few good quality studies have been done on it but there has been a great deal of anecdotal evidence but we don't know if it causes problems later.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007
    Always thought it made you smell of "Garlic". LOL
  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited October 2007

    Yeah, I remember back in the 70's or early 80's there was a big scandal about industrial grade DMSO being circulated for arthritis and it was pretty poisonous.  You need to be really careful where your DMSO comes from if you decide to use it.

    Again, almost ANYTHING dissolved in it may pass into your body whether you want it to or not.  That includes so many "impurities." It's pretty scary stuff in the wrong hands.

    Tina

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Susie, you're a national resource of the highest order!Thank you for teaching me about Pennsaid.Yes, I certainly will wait!

    And everybody, thank you for telling me about the scarey side of DIMSO.I did read in Google that it was first found as a bi-product to paper & pulp.YEU!Paper mills do stink!And I thought why would I, so damn fussy about what I eat or use, want to get near THAT?

    But learning about how careful you have to be, and yes, Pennsaid will be carried on pharmaceutical-grade DIMSO.

    I will wait!

    Thank you all, and Susie-what would I do w/out you?

  • arby
    arby Member Posts: 126
    edited November 2007

    Since many of you seem to know about chemicals , do any of you have advice on deoderants and what is safe since  the arm pit is so close to the breast and I wonder what actually causes those calcifications in the first place?...chemicals in deoderant?  I'm wanting to go for the source in my hope to avoid cancer from reoccuring.  arby

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited November 2007

    Arby--I don't know if I believe the whole deodorant business.  Like everything else its one day yes

    next day no--So I try to avoid the whole business by using Toms of Maine (no aluminum chlorhydrate) and sometimes that Crystal deodorant that you just wet. Its a natural mineral salt.-------

    Mind you if I'm going somewhere special, I must admit I very ocassionally take out the old reliable Mitchum. LOL 

  • snowyday
    snowyday Member Posts: 1,478
    edited November 2007

    I didn't know anything about DIMSO's so this site is fabulous for information now I can read up on it and gain more informtion on it. My sister really wants me to start Ambertose by Mannotech.  We met a women in the London Cancer Clinic who uses it daily and she is on palliative care because her breast cancer Stge 11 turned into bone cancer five years ago they gave her two years to live.  She swears by the ambertose and she gets a small weekly dose of Docetaxil for her bone cancer. She looked really good her skin was glowing her weight was great and she said her blood counts were good.  So now I have to find out more about this Ambertose, it's apparently expensive 100.00 per month and I can't really afford it but if it ends up I have no choice becuase of my liver tumours I guess I'll try it.  But what I really wanted to write about was deodarant I bought Naturally Fresh deodarant roll on and made by TCCD International the reason I bought it was because it has the pink ribbon on it so it's been approved by the cancer society. It works okay but heavy sweating I still had to wash my pits and reapply, but now that it's cooler its working just fine.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited February 2015

    Pearl--Please be leery of this---At least with DMSO there is legitimate medical science history behind it no matter what the controversy.

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