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  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    I never said she was biased, just that a reporter is supposed to be unbiased and being in the middle of breast cancer treatment has the potential to shade her point of view or make the story about her rather than about breast cancer.

  • justanna
    justanna Member Posts: 90
    edited October 2007

    My point is simply that no one has the right or authority to judge how another woman (or man) handles the diagnosis of breast cancer (or any other disease.)  Some of us are going to be very public about it and feel proud of serving as some kind of inspiration to others, and there are other persons who might feel compelled to keep private matters private.  I object to anyone judging either position.  There was no fruit involved in my objection; I'm merely telling you that I think you spend way too much time telling people how they and/or others should feel or react to what is a very emotional and troubling subject, and that it can feel intimidating and unsafe to anyone who doesn't agree with you.  For someone who has been here as long as you have and is supposedly a psychologist, it seems pretty much clear to me that a little compassion, whether for a celebrity or just a random poster, would serve you well.

    Anna 

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited October 2007

    Do realize that reporters are suppose to be unbiased in their reporting in theory but in reality that is impossible.......we are all biased in everything we do and say and feel.......because of life experiences how could we not be and as for as Robin is concerned she is the story and bc is her........how could she possibly seperate the two now that she is dx???????

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited October 2007

    I'm curious about any thinking that objectivity is possible about breast cancer, whether you're a television host or news anchor, and you are working on national television, while going through your treatment.  What's there to be objective about?  If she was reporting on the war in Iraq, I would expect objectivity, but this isn't the case.  I wouldn't expect Melissa Ethridge or Betty Ford to be objective if they were reporting on breast cancer either.  I would expect passion and compassion in their reporting.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    I think that there was no choice for Robin (I don't mean from a network standpoint) but here she is: day in and day out.  Then, wham! All of a sudden she is gone? No, she if she wanted to lay low, then people would think she was fired or had family issues, then some tabloid would report the 'truth' and viewers would be upset that she didn't tell them. 

    For Hoda, she was not even a name I knew. Recognize the face, yes. She did stories from time to time. It was not odd to have her disappear for a while.

    .... yes, compassion, passion and truth.  

    Friend, you hit some nails on the head.  

  • JoeyAnn
    JoeyAnn Member Posts: 51
    edited October 2007

    This is my two cents.

    I have watched both of these women going public regarding their breast cancer.

    Think back to that difficult time when you first found out you were diagnosed with breast cancer. Think about how you struggled with your own thoughts and feelings. Think about how difficult it was to say those words when you told your family and friends. Think about all the decisions you had to make about treatment, what to do, whether to seek a second opinion, and all the thoughts that consumed our lives in the first few hours and weeks.

    And then imagine if you will, that you not only have to deal with all of the above, but you also have to IMMEDIATELY address whether, when, and how you will tell the "public" about your situation.

    If you are gone from work, they will notice and ask why. If you are at work, but taking time off for appointments and recovery, they will ask what is going on. Word will get around and rumors will start.

    How much do you disclose; how much do you keep private?

    Remember, this thought will be on your mind from the moment you are diagnosed, and you must make this decision almost immediately.  In addition to all the other decisions you must make about your life.

    If you had to say it out loud, in a public forum where the newspapers and TV might report it, within weeks of being diagnosed, what exactly would you have said about the fact that you have breast cancer? Would you have thought about and processed what might be the most "professional" way to do this?

    I speak as someone who was in a very local public eye when I was diagnosed and I had to address the issue of how to make my diagnosis public. I can only say that this issue adds yet another burden to an unbearable situation. It is hard enough to deal with your own private feelings and concerns. It is IMPOSSIBLE to discern, at that point in your life, what is the best, most professional way to handle making this information public.  I cannot imagine what it would be like to deal with national exposure.

    In my experience, this is a decision that is entirely personal to the individual. It is not based on professionalism, nor is it based on what will make you "look good" to the public. It is a matter of what you can personally bear. You make your information public in the only way you know how, because there are simply too many other things to deal with at the time. Therefore, it should not be judged, critiqued, or reviewed as if it were a brilliant leap or lapse of professional judgment. It is simply what an individual bear.

    One chose to make it public on national TV, in terms of simply stating and discussing with her co-anchor, the circumstances in which she found herself. One chose to keep it private, going public (as the subject of an interview) only after she went through treatment. Neither, in my opinion, made these decisions in terms of their profession, but as a PERSON.

    In my opinion, We, as women who have been on this journey, should offer only our respect for others that have dealt with publicly disclosing this most difficult information. Both have dealt with the situation, as all of us have, in the best they knew how. Both deserve our respect.  Hoda and Robin will be in my positive thoughts and prayers, as are all women who have breast cancer.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    I was watching the news last night and saw the Laura Bush and RR went to Dubai and other local countries to talk about breast cancer.  Apparently in Dubai, many women dont seek treatment - because breast cancer is a big no no to their husbands and families!  In this day and age!

    Anyways RR looked fabulous.  I thought to myself how awful I looked and felt during chemo.  And I sure didnt look like her. 

    It makes me sad to think someone with breast cancer would be critical of another sister!  Let RR do what she has to do to get through this.

    News is constantly biased.  Its the reporters that make a big issue about things and I never really feel Im getting the accurate story.

    Hahahaha - its funny cause I never heard about Hoda either.  But I sure do know RR and respect her strength.

    Nicki

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    Betty Ford was one of our survivor pioneers! She did so much for lessening the stigma of breast cancer. I was young at the time, but imagine that there were people who agreed and disagreed with her decision to go public as she was first lady of the united states. Because she was a public figure and made her diagnosis public, people were naturally going to have opinions on that, even breast cancer survivors.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    I just hope these two beautiful ladies get the support they deserve and the health and happiness we all want and deserve!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    A breast cancer dx turns ones life upside down.  Imagine people writing about whether you're "doing it right" and discussing you when you're going through this horrible journey ... I don't know how they can take it on top of everything else and hope that any concerns that may be had for the viewer are put on the back burner.  I also bet that when Betty Ford went public that most women agreed with her decision as it was finally a step in making this disease less of a taboo.  Joeyann, excellent post.

  • DragonladyTina
    DragonladyTina Member Posts: 371
    edited October 2007

    I have not said much about RR and her BC journey other than to wish her well, but something is bothering me about her experience so far...or at least what we have seen of her experience so far.

    I know how I felt during chemo....pretty damn rough, I not only felt rough but looked like something the cat dragged in most of the time.

    I think maybe, because all we see of Robin is a couple of hours in the morning, she is always looking fabulous, beautiful wig, flawless makeup and beautiful smile we assume that she is having a "walk in the park" with her treatment, maybe when she gets home she throws that damn wig across the room and cries her eyes out.....God knows I sure did.

    I don't think we can judge how another sister choses or decides to walk her walk but we can only support them as we would like to be supported.

    Playing devil's advocate here...It would be very educational and even "nice" to see the other side or at least have someone admit that BC is hell and treatment is just as hellish. Portray the truth instead of pinking it up so much.

    2 cents worth from me (actually worth 5 cents now due to the rising Canadian dollar)

    Tina

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    It doesn't help any that RR has the best professional makeup artists and hairdressers to make her look so good.  People need to remember that when they say how great she looks.  It may have nothing to do with how she feels.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    I could have cared less if people didn't agree with my breast cancer decisions, particularly strangers. Unless they lived in my body and my mind, they can disagree, judge or criticize all they want-- I wanted my friends' and family's opinions as well as the drs, but ultimately it was on me and I was confident in what I chose and why I chose it.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    I'm not a public figure, nor did I work outside the home.  However, when people saw me IN PUBLIC I had my makeup and wig on.  Very few people were "allowed" to see me the way I sometimes truly felt. 

    What I trying to say is how many of us put on that brave face around others and cry when we're alone.  And if the phone should ring while our tears are falling, what do most of us do?  The person on the other end of the phone says, how are you doing?  We get control of ourselves and say, fine.  We may gab about being tired, but we don't burden the person on the other end of the phone with our true feelings.  In fact, sometimes I think WE DON'T know HOW to explain the way we really feel. 

    I've heard over and over someone say to me, "Mom (or someone else) says you're doing great."   I respond positively.

    I'm sure RR isn't trying to downplay the experience she's going through.  And Hoda as well.  That's when I believe the "journalistic side" of them takes over.

    Shirley 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Tina:  I have to say I feel the same way.  When I saw her on television yesterday she looked fabulous.  It made me feel I was a real whimp, cause I surely didnt look like her.

    Nicki

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    Nicki, why compare yourself-- you both have different bodies, different cancers, different responses-- I don't think it has anything to do with being a whimp or not. I have a very high tolerance for pain everywhere except a headache. The surgeon who did my hysterectomy said he never had a patient who said she didn't need pain meds right after the surgery. Now, give me a teeny, tiny head ache and I'm reaching for the meds, feeling like I'm gonna die. I don't think it makes me stoic after surgery or a whimp with a headache, it's just how my body handles things.

    There was this ridiculous rumor going around when I had chemo, not sure if people still believe this, that if you had bad side effects from the chemo, it meant it was working and if you didn't, the chemo wasn't working. Our bodies are just different, that's all it means.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Pink, I hope the s/e thing isn't true.  After I did the dd chemo, mast and rads I then went on to six months of Xeloda.  Yep, I was very tired, but I never had the h/f syndrome and I was taking the full dose.  Hope I didn't take that extra poison for nothing!  Yell

    Shirley

  • Amera
    Amera Member Posts: 452
    edited October 2007

    There was an anchor in Boston who was dx in Dec. She went through the whole ordeal publicly. She did blogs and videos of getting chemo, shaving her head, radiation, etc. She looked terrible part of the time, she cried, talked about nausea, her fears. But then she'd anchor and look terrific. It's amazing what hair, make up, and proper lighting can do. All said though, I think she gave a very balanced look at breast cancer. Some days we feel like crap, and some days we throw on the wig and do our best. I don't think these ladies are all that different from any of us, except that they are doing this in the national spot light.

  • Poppy
    Poppy Member Posts: 405
    edited October 2007

    Shirley, I don't think that s/e "rumor" is true. I have a friend who has been going through chemo for a primary liver tumor and it's knocking the crap out of her. Unfortunately the chemo she was doing didn't work. The new chemo is also kicking the crap out of her... hopefully this time it's working.

    I think that rumor is something we tell ourselves to help make the chemo "better!" I know I liked to think that way when I was doing it :)

    Hugs

    Erica

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Erica, I did have side effects.  I lost my hair!  LOL  And I felt like crap!  Thank God I didn't work outside the home.  I didn't even work INSIDE the home while on chemo. Laughing  I had one of those DHs around and I thought that that's what I had him for.  Wink

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited October 2007

    There is absolutely no scientific or or even atectdotal research to back up that rumor. Personally I think somebody probably made it up to comfort someone going with chemo who was having a hard time with it.

  • MargaretB
    MargaretB Member Posts: 1,305
    edited October 2007

    I've heard that rumor before and all I can say is I have to believe it is not true.  I was one of those who had no side effects, with the exception of losing my hair.  When I went out, I had my wig and makeup on and makeup on at home, even though I had a bandana on.  When I was in the hospital with my surgery, I had my makeup on - it just made me feel better.  Anyway, I prefer to think that there is no basis to that rumor.  I've heard the same thing said about hormonal therapy and I have no side effects from tamoxifen.

    Margaret

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