Hoda Kotb--take 2 the peaceful version
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Glad to see the negative thread gone and thought Hoda deserved a new thread.
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I saw the story about her and her interview on the nightly news last night. I was so impressed with her openness and honesty, particularly the fact the she said that she had a mastectomy - often when public figures have mastectomies they simply don't mention the type of surgery they had. She showed both tears (when talking about her diagnosis) and strength & resilence (when talking about moving on after cancer). I could identify with pretty much everything she said.
I haven't had a chance yet to find out more about her story, but definitely plan to do that soon. Hopefully there are some links on the NBC website.
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yep, no problem. Thanks chemosabi.
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Anna: All I can say is wow. Some of those things you said hit home.
Nicki
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I've deleted my previous comments since this thread is now back on track. Thanks to those who edited their comments so that the focus of this thread is now back onto Hoda.
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In a spirit of Sisterly cooperation and encouragement, here's a web site where you can pass along your thoughts and best wishes to Hoda:
http://allday.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/09/10/353197.aspx
Yep, I sent her a message asking her to be aware of her lymphedema risk and the simple steps she can take to protect herself from it.
Don't imagine it will see print on the website, but hopefully it will at least alert her!
Binney
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Thanks for the website Binney.
I have so much respect for Hoda. I still want to read more of her story and find out more about her, but from what I've seen so far we had similar ways of handling our breast cancers.
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did hoda have alot of lymph nodes taken? that usually raises the risk for lymphadema doesnt it?
i thought it was kinda sad to find out she dated her husband for 10 years , then got married , and in less than 2 years theyre separated. how does that happen.
i love the song shes addicted to, though.
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The more lymphnodes they take the higher the risk. I had the top level of lymphs taken, about 10-12. It was right when they started to do the sentinel node so my surgeon did that procedure, but took the whole layer/level. A friend of mine who had cancer a few years before me had two layers removed and did get lymphodema.
I missed the hour special, I wish I had known it was going to be on and seen your post about it beforehand.
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sorry you missed it. i posted as soon as i found out it was gonna be on, but we also were getting a huge rain storm so or internet was on and off for awhile.
they recapped the entire piece from the today show, plus a little more. then they brought out jo dee messina as a surprise and she sang hodas favorite song for her. i think the name was something like "was that my life". hoda was crazy excited, and sang the whole song (in the background of course) jo dee also brought her fiance' and he made hoda a wooden box for keepsakes and they mounted the words to the song inside the lid. they also made reference to the fact that jo dee was getting married in three days and still made the trip for a surprise for hoda. that would mean she got married today. congrats to her.
i sure am glad i only had 5 nodes taken in my surgery. that makes my odds of not getting it pretty good, i think.
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Sorry, technical difficulties
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I'm going to try again, being in a better state of mind today. I was obviously not in a good place yesterday. Here is what I meant to say:
I was reluctant, to be honest, SCARED to post on this board because the last thing I need to hear right now is how I'm not dealing with having breast cancer appropriately. That is exactly my point in posting on this thread. I don't want to hear how I'm not brave enough, that I'm not being "inspirational" or I should think of those who have it even worse than me or develop, in my opinion (having been molested as a child) some warped sense of humor. Comparing these two ladies is doing exactly what I feared about this board, in my opinion. Where do any of us come off deciding what way of dealing with our diagnosis is the right or wrong way?
I think both these ladies handled their situations according to what they could handle. I don't think either handled it better or worse than the other nor that it was some kind of journalistic competition. One felt compelled to share her experiences and seek support and EDUCATE her public; the other chose (as I did) to only share her experience with people who could truly help her and didn't feel the obligation to "inspire others". I personally went the private route and though our younger children know I've been sick, and to be "gentle", my wife and I haven't told them or our shared older children exactly what is going on. We are in the middle of another adoption, and I'm struggling with the disapointment of not being able to nurse our new baby. We share three young adult children from previous marriages, I've had two children via gay friends of ours (who have happily agreed to remain part of all of our children's lives!) and we're on our second adoption; the first I was able to nurse because of the timing, but obviously, this sweet China doll will be on formula and I will sorely miss the connection and health benefits we will miss out on.
I'm thoroughly sick of the "pink" campaign and am disgusted with the companies that pillage the movement into making major bucks (for example, though I LOVE Campbell's soup but they only donate $300,000 to breast cancer research centers, including $100,000 to the Komen Foundation, in spite of receiving huge advertising endorsements and major floor displays in the vast population of the grocery stores which sell their products.)
I'm editing my last paragraph in case it's too personal. All I can tell you is that it is hard for me to post because I don't want the slams; I don't agree with you that one newscaster is better than the other and that I hope every woman (and man) deals with this disease according to their own comfort levels rather than what someone on a message board decides is the proper decorum.
Anna
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Hi, Stack,
You're right about the part that says fewer lymph nodes taken lessens the risk of lymphedema (LE). But the problem is, the number of nodes taken is only ONE of the risk factors for LE. (For instance, I have LE in both arms and my chest, with one node taken on the left and a prophylactic mastectomy on the right.
) ANY surgery or other trauma to the chest creates a LE risk. Other factors that up the risk are: radiation; overweight (especially weight gained after your surgery); diabetes; or surgery on your dominant side (the right side if you're right-handed and vice-versa). And there are still other factors they haven't identified yet, possibly genetic predisposition, an inflammatory response, or previous surgeries or trauma to the area. In other words, we're all at risk. (Do all our doctors tell us this? No, because many of them aren't aware of it. It's not their specialty and it's not much taught in our medical or nursing schools. Sigh!)
Good news is there are a few simple life-style steps you can take to reduce your risk. You'll find them on the National Lymphedema Network website in the Position Papers about risk reduction, air travel, and exercise: http://www.lymphnet.org
Hope that helps some!
Binney
PS-Anna, dear BC sister, I'm sorry I can't respond to your deeply-felt post. I'm not ignoring you, but I think you must be responding to a post that was deleted earlier, and I didn't read it. Please know I wish you an easy mind and real comfort in your adjustment to what this rotten BC journey has done to your life. Prayers!
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Anna, I understand what you are saying. Please feel comfortable posting here. It is very unusual for any woman on this board to be "mean spirited." Once in a while our hear stands up on the back of our necks and we say something that we shouldn't. But don't think that this happens all the time.
Please come back and post. We welcome you!
Shirley
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I hear you! Great post.
I retired from Campbell's Soup a few years ago after 10 years in the IT Department. CSC not only donates to Komen, but to nearly every legitimate charitable organization in this country (the US) and in the myriad of other countries in which there are CSC plants. During Katrina they donated upward of 3 MILLION cans of soup and then went on to the next disaster area.
As for being 'scared' to post...A great friend to many of us discontinued posting because some Mean Girls accused her of being a cancer wannabe because she described other problems, more than the one disease that we all have. (It's a little more complicated than that, but you get the gist.) How could she possibly be fighting more than the rest of us? It was ugly.
I have a few AA and NA friends who say, "Take what you need and leave the rest." That can be said for this site as well.
BTW: I thought that Hoda Kotb was one of the most unusual names I've ever heard! Turns out she's of Egyptian descent. Who knew?
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Straycat, I love the pink campbells cans- unfortunately I don't like the soup much. I didn't know Hoda was Egyptian, was she born there? I thought she was Hawaiian for some reason.
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friendnneed- to me discussing how a journalist who chooses to make her cancer public and part of her work is fair for an intellectual discussion about journalistic ethics and is entirely different than a back biting discussion and personal mud slinging. To me this is apples and oranges. What's right for a person as an individual may not necessarily be the best professionally and vice versa. I prefer to get my news in the most objective way and to me Hoda's disclosure and reporting after the fact has been more objective than Robin's because it's in the past tense rather than "I'm starting chemo tomorrow." because I can focus on the message, rather than the reporter and how she's doing which is how I view professional journalism. It's nothing personal against Robin, who I happen to like very much even if I respect her professional choice less than Hoda's.
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Definition of a cancer wannabe: Someone who comes to a breast cancer sight and lies to everyone telling them she has cancer when indeed she did not. Its just that plain and simple.
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I think names like "cancer wannabe" are really dangerous in what's supposed to be a section of this site for discussion and support. If anyone comes here saying they haven't cancer and doesn't, then they have some heavy duty psychological problems and that's pretty sad. If I saw someone who I thought didn't really have cancer, I'd just ignore her posts because I'd have no way of ever knowing.
Madalyn, I assume that Robin chose to do her cancer story as part of the show. She's talked about how supportive ABC and the GMA family have been and I doubt she'd say that if they were forcing her to do do stories about her illness. It would probably even be illegal for them to force the issue since there are all kinds of laws and protections under the americans with disabilities act for disability and illness in the work place. Unlike you, I wanted to talk about chemo and cancer often, to help me process the experience. I appreciated most the friends who asked me pointed questions, like "do you worry about dying" etc. rather than the ones who backed away like it was some kind of taboo.
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Well, I was just responding to staykats comments about mean girls chasing someone away. She used the term cancer wannabee and I gave a definition of it.
Of course many definitions and terms are dangerous, yet used frequently by those who dost protest. What comes to mind is "the emporer has no clothing." That seems to circulate alot around different topics.
One should not dictate what another wants to say or where she wants to say it. We all are different and have different ideas.
Here in Chicago, a local newswoman got breast cancer and needed chemo. She took time off to go through treatment. That was her choice, although she did set up a way for many to communicate with her via email.
What concerns me about RW is that she may be giving the wrong perception to many. Everyone that watch GMA will think this whole journey is a piece of cake and it isnt. But its her choice to work, I respect her for that, anad only wish her the best - getting through chemo isnt the easiest thing to do.
I dont really know Hoda, but Im interested in her story too. Im intersted in everyones story, always comparing their stories to how I went through this journey.
Nicki
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I don't watch daytime tv so I miss all these pink specials and specialists.
I caught RR when she first anounced- I think I saw it on the net after everyone here posted about it.
I just would like to say that who are we to judge how someone copes with their cancer diagnosis? How can we have a post about how someone is coping "better" than another?
I have been dx'd twice. The first time I told everyone I knew. This time I kept it private in my private life. It was the way I wanted to do it and how I felt about it.
Is one way "wrong"?
No.
And I would never say that someone was acting incorrectly with thier cancer diagnosis. Who am I to say such a thing?!
As to the other topic- yes there have been people who have come here who have not had cancer but pretended they did. We even had one who faked her own death. There was a person who came on this board and told us she had cancer. When it was revealed that she did not there were many that felt betrayed and that they were made fools of. It was then perpetuated again as a new identity with a repeat performance of pretending to be a cancer survivor but with a new name. Again, the women welcomed her and then it was revealed that she "fooled" them again. That is called trolling. I don't know about anyone else, but I find people who troll breast cancer boards for the sole purpose of hurting breast cancer patients and survivors about as low as they come.
FIN, I can understand your hesitation and I am sorry for it. Even I, an Oldbie, have had my cancer diagnosis belittled. You know what? It didn't amount to a hill of beans because there are good people here and they are easy to find and they will welcome you and help you when you need them. You can spot them clearly. The cream always rises to the top. Stay on the light side of things and avoid the dark side and you will find a wonderful sisterhood. Don't let a few disturbing posts get you down.
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I see your point Madalyn and I guess I would have little respect for her professionally if that was her reasoning.
Well I wasn't talking about how she handled her cancer, I was talking about professional journalism, reporting the story rather than being the story while in the midst of it, and the perspective of reporting afterwards or during treatment. In Robin's threads people talk about how she looks, wonder how she's doing and when her chemo is, not about the work she's doing and I see her job as a news correspondent being about the work. None of my comments have anything to do about her personal journey, just her public one.
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I suppose we have something in common with RR. I didn't have a forum going, but I know people wondered how I as doing, and that when the saw me (with makeup and wig) they saw how I LOOKED. And I must say that I never really complained except that I was tired. Therefore, some people may have thought the "journey" I had to endure wasn't so bad.
It doesn't make any difference if a professional gets bc or my next door neighbor. I'm going to wonder, especially since I've had it, how the professional is doing e.g. Tony Snow and others who have cancers and other serious illnesses.
Although we want the TRUTH to be told (because we get angry when people think it's a "walk in the park"), I can understand if RR doesn't want to report just HOW badly she MAY feel. I guess it's sorta like complaining...we want to thought of as STRONG. Then, some women who do better on chemo than others. We're all different and I think that seeing how Hoda is today and what RR is GOING THROUGH today is good.
Shirley
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I don't really think that Robin is making the story "her story" .... I believe she has focused on black women with BC ... not herself, although she mentioned her feelings. When she interviewed Tony Snow, it was about him until he brought her into it. I really think that even tho we KNOW she is going thru it and she does mention herself in passing, the bc stories are about treatment, exams, etc.
Just like Charlie Gibson would mention what he made for dinner the other night, I think Robin mentioning her sensitive nose is the norm for a show like GMA.... now if she were on the evening news like Katie Couric is now, it would not be appropriate.
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hi Binney
thanks for the info on the lymphadema, although i wish my way of thinking was right concerning my lymph nodes, it sounds as though you are more informed than me. i will check out the site you suggested as i am interested in finding out if weight training has any bearing on this.
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If I'd been as lucky to have as public a persona as Robin or Hoda, I'd like to think I'd be as public with my battle as possible. I'd shave my head publically (once Britney or Natalie Portman or any other "Hollywood type" does it, the world expects them to be bald!) so I wouldn't have to wear the damn friggin' wig in the dead of summer amid hot flashes. I'd tell women about the numb arm and drains and what it feels like to have those bandages come off for the first time. I'd let them know that I was actually stronger physically than I'd ever been during chemo. That I gained a "glass is half full" attitude and that none of my teeth fell out. I'd also be there when the chemo ended so they could see my hair and color in my face come back.
Since I didn't have that outlet I hid in the shadows, in my wig for months on end. I felt like a cancer patient and I hated every minute of it.
It's not for anyone to say what's right or wrong about how we handle our own cancer. Journalists write. They photograph. They document. Good for them. The truth about BC needs to be told. I have a friend who has a PhD and no matter how many times I tell her BC isn't "curable" she STILL uses the word "cured." It's maddening. I think all of the women in the media who have had BC need to step up, stop being in denial and tell the truth of their journey IF they are going to open their mouths at all, that is. Don't sugar coat it, let women know what they are in for and that they will be ok and possibly even a better person at the other end.
Just my opinion!
Erica -
I went bald during chemo, didn't even buy a wig. The only time I wore a hat was when it was really cold. I believe that educated people, from the little boy in target who's mom turned red when he said loudly, "WHY IS THAT LADY BALD." I went up to him and said, it's weird seeing a bald lady isn't it and I let him touch my scalp. I told his mom he wasn't rude, just curious and about finding my lump through a self exam. I would hope if I was a news person I wouldn't use my cancer for ratings or become a poster child for breast cancer while educating others and doing meaningful breast cancer and other cancer stories. I would try hard to make the stories about the message and not about me. If I was an entertainer or other public figure, that would be different because my job wouldn't be about unbiased reporting.
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Ok, Amy, I'll bite ... tell me how RR is biased. Where has she "advocated" a treatment? Where has she said which is better: mast or lump? Where has she even told us what her treatment course is? How do we know if she has even looked into alternative treatments? Or going to Mexico? We have not heard OPINION on anything regarding cancer except: get checked early. She has said what every medical person says: early dx = better survival chances.
Please stop stating your opinion as factoids..... Just because she is a morning tv show host (not really a reporter anymore) doesn't mean that she is reporting about bc in a biased way.
And I think her audience, many who think of her as a "family" member want to know about her. Frankly, I don't think she is telling some of them enough of what she is going thru. It's enough for me, because we already lived it but others have no clue what she is really going thru.
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Rocktobermom,
Thanks for bringing up something I was thinking about with this whole thread - I don't consider morning show personalities as reporters, I consider them hosts similar to Oprah - would there be any debate about Oprah "being the story" rather than reporting on it? I don't think so. JMHO
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I'm in agreement with Rocktobermom. You put it quite well.
I know many, many times we ladies get a bit angry when one doesn't TELL IT ALL. Most of us want the truths to be known.
I don't CARE if RR makes this about HER. I haven't watched the show often. What I do care about is truth...truth in reporting. It IS about her. Why not? And it's about other women as well.
Women and men are fighting this battle everyday. Perhaps those who have not been through bc or been touched by family or friends will not understand the depth of despair, fear, loneliness for some. We somehow pick ourselves up and climb that mountain. Then we find ourselves tripping over a few pebbles now and then. The TRUE faces of breast cancer needs to be told.
Hoda didn't want people to know. I'm sure RR had to make the hard decision on whether or not to tell the world about her cancer. Each person, as been said over and over and over AGAIN, handles this disease differently.
I applaud RR and Hoda for sharing their experiences. I think it's noble of them to make it THEIR CHOICE of HOW they want to share. I still don't see it as a journalistic story. It's what it is....a breast cancer story
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