A magnesium question Rosemary

Hi Susie,



After our Big Adventure that ended at the door of magnesium pidolate, I looked for it in US too. I don't know why it's a problem....but that aside, I hope you find the alternative helpful. Rosemary's suggestion sounds like a winner...add it to blended food that is palatable to you.



I'm still enjoying the glow of the relief that it brought to me. Rosemary was right too when she said that I'll probably take it the rest of my life....and now I know to pack it in my suitcase when I visit my family in US!



Best wishes ....

Hi again,



Thanks Rosemary. I almost don't want to gush too much about it because people here might begin to be skeptical. But honestly, I have so much more energy and so many more smiles.



About the calcium, I don't like the way my body feels when I take the suppliments....so I think I'll stick with the cheese that we eat often and the greens, etc. There is a lot of calcium in the water here too. Vit D is plentiful in the mushrooms and the sun that we take in a lot. Then I'll keep tabs on the blood results if I can get them to write the script for it. But I hear you ... I'm very interested to keep this all in balance. I even wondered if this good feeling was the lull before the storm! But last night I went into Rome for my writer's group meeting that I haven't attended in two years! all pain and no energy....also no brain to think with! Now it's my turn in December to present a piece! Oh the places I'll go with my fingers on the keyboard!!!!



abbracci tutti...

Hi Susie,



…. About potassium …. Here’s a link that I thought helped explain the balance of mag>potas>calcium.



http://www.mgwater.com/schroll.shtml



It’s not that I understand all of the chemistry terms, etc. but I believe this article helps to explain to me why I am feeling so much better since taking the magnesium. Some of what is written here “jumped out” at me



…..“Furthermore, electrolyte imbalances must be presumed under excessive and long lasting stress in latent tetany, cramps in the legs and diabetes”.



…..”Chronic misuse of alcohol is another well -known reason”.



…..”Table 2. Disturbed electrolyte homeostasis known at: ..... a long list follows that includes ‘postoperative period’ and ‘hormonal dysregulation’”



Rosemary can probably help to sort this out for us.



I think that the article supports some of what I’ve been thinking about my hypo thyroid and now Arimidex affects on my muscles, bones and my cognitive abilities. I think too many of the ladies here experiencing strong side affects probably may be experiencing the same problem of electrolyte imbalance. Add to that that I drink wine at dinner and there is more reason for concern.



If I remember correctly, taking asprin and ibuprofen to close together can also imbalance the electrolytes. It's important to take one or the other but not both together (but this can be dated information).



What amazes me, is that something seemingly so simple as mag deficiency is not a first line therapy attempted to relieve the great pain and distress of hormonal therapy for breast cancer before throwing pain meds, anti depressives, and every pharmaceutical known to “man”at us to complicate the body more…..and sometimes at greater risk. It’s not only an intellectual medicinal>alternative s debate, it’s a humane debate! ….or so it seems to me.



I need to take more time to read this article … it’s not light reading for me….but I think it has some of the information you are looking for about the potassium. Let me know what you think.



Hope your feeling better soon …



Ciao

Susie,

We're suppose to be getting in 4.6 grams of potassium daily.  That's a high number, and they can surely say from afar, without even looking closely at us,  that most of us aren't getting in enough of it unless we're eating a lot of the foods on the list:

http://www.ars.usda.gov/Services/docs.htm?docid=9673

And it's needed for bone health besides all the other things they keep adding on for bone health.   It's a wonder we're not all crumbling and squeaking everytime we walk with all the ingredients that are needed for bone health.  We can do what we can do and that's all we can do.

Yeeeessss. I do recall that conversation now. We had a great time exchanging recipes etc. Thanks for the link and the reminder. We use olive oil every day. I think the only time that I bought butter is to make chocolate chip Christmas cookies. I'll feel much better now about driving to Vincenzo's next week to get our red wine for the year! And, remember, it's good to drink with dark chocolate! Dark chocolate too is a favorite in this neck of the woods...Love that magnesium! Here's to 100!



ciao bella!

Susie,

Yes I did, and I find the cranberry doable.  It turns it pink but no heartburn and I didn't taste any magnesium.  I also use a small motorized mixer which might be getting it to mix better.  It was almost creamy. 

I think the bisphosphonate is causing my bad stomach and I'm always fighting off heartburn.  I'm starting to taper off it.   I can always go back on it if the next scan doesn't give me good scores.

AH-HA!

"In some people, the problem might not be enough magnesium, but instead might be not enough vitamin D, which has an effect on magnesium absorption.  Up until recently, doctors only associated a vitamin D deficiency with weak bones, and they believed that a vitamin D deficiency in young people was rare in countries like the US.  However, both of these beliefs have been proven false.  Not only does it occur in young people, but sometimes a vitamin D deficiency can manifest itself mainly as pain.  Initial symptoms in adults can often appear as vague musculoskeletal pains, muscle weakness, and fatigue, symptoms commonly found in fibromyalgia.   Also, studies on the muscles of vitamin D deficient patients, show a reduction of ATP levels, similar to that of fibromyalgia patients.

In some cases, the deficiency leads to myopathy, with quite severe muscle weakness, especially affecting the legs and ability to walk.  On the other hand, sometimes the symptoms are less severe, in which case it could be easily overlooked in fibromyalgia patients.  In fact, several small studies have shown that at least 40% of patients with fibromyalgia have a vitamin D deficiency."

Here we go again, one says we need D with mag, and another says we don't.   They need to get on the same page.

Marilyn,

I didn't see it.  This is all that I read from the above site:

"Also note that B vitamins are necessary for proper utilization of magnesium.  Some people with fibromyalgia might have B vitamin deficiencies, especially B12.  One study, has shown that homocysteine levels are high in the cerebrospinal fluid, and this indicates low levels of B12 in the brain.  Additionally, homocysteine causes a depletion of intracellular free magnesium:, and according to the following study, only a combination of B6, B12, and folate acid can stop this depletion of magnesium.  Thus, some people with fibromyalgia might benefit from B vitamin supplementation.  (However, certain B12 deficiencies require B12 shots, as some people are unable to orally absorb enough B12.)"

I would love to read that cause everything to this date that I ever read said that magnesium is a anti-cancer mineral.  For decades that's been known.  More mag in the water, less cancer and less heart disease.   Where was that about mag and growth of tumors?

Hi Rosemary,



I see we were both looking at the same time ... Interesting isn't it?



I thought this to be relational to the discussion. From a critical thinking point of view, I wonder why I’ve been told more than one time by different doctors here that I should not take B12 as it feeds the tumors. I posted this question a couple of years ago here on the boards…the only reference that I was able to find was from the Mayo Clinic … radiologic study that used B12 to find cancer cells. I know this sounds odd.



As for the Mg. … here is what I found:



http://www.mgwater.com/cancer.shtml#POSSIBLE



scroll down to ….



V. Magnesium Loss-Associated Toxicity of Antineoplastic Agents.



Scroll down to ….



C. Induced Magnesium Deficiency to Treat Cancer



“Since antineoplastic regimens employ Mg-wasting agents, and rapidly metabolizing cancer cells have high Mg requirements, use of iatrogenic Mg depletion to treat inoperable cancers as been tried, and found effective (189,190 Lancet 1974, S.A. Med. Tydskrif 1976) but associated with serious consequences: acute tumor necrosis resulting in hemorrhage, arrhythmias and stroke. Recurrence of tumor with Mg repletion necessitates surgical removal of remaining tumor and antineoplastic chemotherapy or radiation.”



“Diminishing Mg in cancer tissues without causing Mg depletion, i.e. by competitive inhibition of Mg within the cancer is preferable, if feasible. (137, Durlach, J. Magnesium in Clinical Practice. (transl. By D. Wilson), Publ. John Libbey & Co., London, U.K. 1988. 191-193 Magnesium Bull. 1981, 84, 82) Gallium’s antineoplastic activity has been attributed to its replacement of Mg in tumors (191-195 Anticancer Res. 1986, Bull of Hosp for Sick Childr. Toronto 1965) Search for compounds, that preferentially deplete cancer cell Mg might be fruitful”.



I noticed that the citations that support this information are dated. But that is relative only if more recent studies found the existing research flawed….I suspect that is logical. It may also be true that research dropped off in this field? In the mid '80's healthcare funding and research changed drastically in the US. That's when the feds instituted DRGs and HMOs were born. The federal research dollars to the universities shrunk and "free market" pharmacautical funding infused the universities and elsewhere....with a biased and stilted agenda (my opinion). OK off the soap box.....



Let me know what you think about this.



Thanks

You ladies are too smart for me.  However, I'm enjoying reading the "interpreted" versions of research..waay over my head.  I'm taking my mag. LOL

Shirley

yohan

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I think that you might want to talk to one of the monitors here. They might direct you.



Shirely....



Sorry for the long winded discourse .... we get carried away in the research of it sometimes .... believe me when I say that much of it is over my head too .... but still I try to understand it all. I think sometimes that we all of us have a little piece of our puzzle and when we put it all together, it starts to make some sense.....like our thyroid discussions. I'm glad that you enjoyed our frolic in words .... it's like a ride on the USS Enterprise in many respects ... galaxies far far away! The galaxies just happen to be inside our body instead of out in space. Where is Dr. Spock when you need him? ...and what's his name the doc?

It might help with side effects, such as muscle pains, depression, it aids in calcium absorption, helps to keep away kidney stones and the worsening of arthritis when taking calcium.  Over the decades they've known that there is less reported cancer in areas with hard water, etc.   It relieves constipation, good for the colon, and probably the stomach too. 

It's heart healthy, some Dr.s give it to patients after a heart attack, low levels of magnesium is found in people who have heart problems and it helps arrhythmia symptoms.   That's all that I can think of off the top of my head.  I'm sure there's more.

I buy the powdered citrate type so I can fool around with dosage during the day.  Some days I need more, and others not so much.  It's all according to how much muscle pains I'm getting.

If your not used to it, start at 200mg for awhile to be sure it won't go right thru you, say a week?  Then winding up at 350mg for the day in divided doses.  Some in the morning and some in the evening. You can go higher as you need it.   A low dose 25-50 mgs of B6 helps with mg absorption, and will ward off any hand problems that might want to spring up.  Mg is also said to help with sleep problems, so taking the other half of the dosage at night might be good.