Lupron and Tamoxifen

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boscoboz
boscoboz Member Posts: 5

Does anyone know if you have to actually be through menopause for Tamoxifen to work?  I have been on it for over a year and one doctor mentioned that menopause should be coming for it to be effective...others have not said that.

Also, what do you know about Lupron?  I was told to "try it for 6 months" to see if it would stop my period.

I am 41 years old (diagnosed at 39, lumpectomy and radiation, no chemo).

Thanks!

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  • lucyemmons
    lucyemmons Member Posts: 43
    edited October 2007

    Bosco   Tamoxifen is for PRE-memopausal women.  AI's are for POST-menopausal women.   How long have you been on Tamoxifen?  I have been on it for almost 6 months and my periods get shorter every month.   Lupron shots are actually birth control shots, i believe.  Not very safe in my book.

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited March 2008



    HI Bosco,



    HollyAnns got it right, Tamoxifen is the only hormone used in ER+ premenopausal breast cancer so you don't need to be through menopause for it to work. It binds to the ER+ complex on any potential cancer cells, among other anticancer workings. It has variable effects on menses, but itself does not cause menopause. You actually need to use a barrier contraceptive while on it, as it's possible to get pregnant, and it's damaging to the fetus.



    Lupron affects the hypothalamic/pituitary area of the brain, just behind and up from the nasal cavities. It causes our ovaries to cease production of eggs, so it causes menses to typically stop and may help bc patients in other ways.



    For premenopausal females, Lupron is often advised. You're only 41, so you do have a way to go before typical menopause age, of 50 or so. Some women consider a laparoscopic removal of the ovaries as an alternative to Lupron, and then either stay on Tamoxifen or move to an aromatase inhibitor.



    Lupron studies in breast cancer patients are still not complete in terms of overall survival and disease free survival effect. Many oncologists do advise it in a situation such as yours.



    Tender



  • boscoboz
    boscoboz Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2007

    Hi Tender,

    Thank you so much for the info.  I meet with my gyno next month and she will speak with my Oncologist at that time to come up with a game plan as to if I should do the Lupron or not.  I am concerned about side effects of Lupron.  I did read weight gain is one.  I have already gained 20 lbs in the past year that I have been on Tomoxifen.

  • boscoboz
    boscoboz Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2007

    Hi

    I have been on  Tamoxifen for 15 months, my periods are shorter, too.  Anyway, why do you feel Lupron is not safe???

  • boscoboz
    boscoboz Member Posts: 5
    edited October 2007

    Tender,

    Do you know why Lupron is advised in the first place?  WHat are the benefits that you mentioned?

    boscoboz

  • Joncey
    Joncey Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2007

    I'm 31 and I actually received my first lupron shot today.  It's usually recommended if you're going to have chemo, because of the effects of the drugs on your ovaries.  The lupron suppresses your ovaries, in an attempt to protect your eggs during chemo.  It puts your ovaries in a resting state, similar to pre-adolescense or menopause.  The main side-effect is hot flashes.  There is some controversy surrounding this drug, because some doctors believe that it may cause the chemo drugs to be ineffective.  My oncologist referred me to a fertility doctor and they both agreed that lupron would be a good option for me.  I will have one injection every 4 weeks, for the duration of my chemo treatment.

    Lupron will probably cause your period to stop, therefore protecting young eggs from damage.

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited March 2008







    Hi Bosco,



    As Joncey said the benefit of Lupron or like is suppressing ovulation, an act which is associated with estrogen production. So, since we're ER+, the less hormonal estrogen produced, the less our Tamoxifen has to compete with in blocking the estrogen from any potential ER+ breast cancer cells.



    Clinical trials on Lupron (leuprolide) or Gosrelin (Zoladex) and their effects in ER+ breast cancer are still being determined. So the randomized, prospective clinical trial study data is still accumulating outcome data. This sometimes makes doctors and patients a little wary, wishing these date were fully known.



    There's nothing that I'm aware of that jumps out on Lupron as unsafe, and in fact it is commonly prescribed for premenopausal ER+ women to turn their ovaries off. In fact as Joncey suggests, it may protect your eggs from damage.



    Just so that you're aware, doctors still advise a barrier contraceptive while using these drugs.



    All the best,

    Tender

  • haynonnie
    haynonnie Member Posts: 1
    edited February 2008

    I have just finished radiation for dcis  stage 0  have taken 9 days of tamoxifen have had  hot flashes night sweats and anxiety is this normal? Have any of you had these side effects?

  • SpunkyGirl
    SpunkyGirl Member Posts: 1,568
    edited February 2008

    I'm glad you started this post.  I have been on Tamoxifen since last May, and so far I have resisted doing Lupron or an oopherectomy because of the lack of data for either one being beneficial over chemo and radiation.  I hope I'm not being a fool.  I just like to see beneficial data.  These options have been around for years.  It really bugs me that there is no concrete data on their additional benefit.  It also bugs me that the five year survival data has not been updated for all women since the advent of Herceptin and some of these other drugs on the market.  I know Herceptin is supposed to reduce recurrence by 50%, but as far as I know, survival data hasn't yet reflected that.  Sorry, I guess I'm just venting.

  • lisettemac
    lisettemac Member Posts: 213
    edited March 2008

    I'm so glad I saw this thread.

    I've been in "chemo-pause" for approx. 1 year since I was getting the chemo.  My OB ran my bloodwork and thought I was firmly in menopause.  Now that I'm through with chemo/radiation and am on Tamox, my period just came back!  Onc mentioned that if it returned, he would advise "shots," -- I'm guessing it's the Lupron?

    Anyone have any info on the side effects of Lupron?  I may consider an oophrectomy in any event since OB would like me to have one for other reasons...

  • vegasbaby
    vegasbaby Member Posts: 47
    edited March 2008

    Hi Ladies...I was 35 at diagnosis and obviously very premenopausal.  Regular as a clock.  After all my chemo, my onc put me on Tamox about the same time as I started radiation.  It was then the fall of 2006.  Then started Lupron shots as well sometime later in 2006, can't remember exactly.  Anyway, I haven't had a period in almost two years.  Nothing.  I feel really good, strong.  Weight is definitely something I fight like crazy.  I have managed to maintain the same weight but I work out like crazy and play tennis, not to mention entertain my 4 year old!  I would say that for me, doing the Lupron shots once a month combined with Tamox is a good choice.  I really don't have too many complaints with it.  Hot flashes yes, but I'll gladly take them if it keeps the beast at bay.  My onc did the test to see how well I metabolize the Tamox and my results came back that I was a good metabolizer of it, so I will definitely finish out my five years on it.  Still have about 3 to go, then will probably do an ooph.  I'll be turning 41 at about that same time.  I'm now 37.  Hope that helps some!

  • mags
    mags Member Posts: 233
    edited March 2008

    Hi ladies, if your  cancer is hormonal- er+, then lupron shuts down your ovaries so there is less oestrogen in your body. I did zoladex for two years which is the same type of thing. My side-effects were hot flushes and aches. Things you would expect going through the menopause. I have been off them for nearly a year now and my periods are back to normal. I don't think there are any long term tests on the effectiveness but I agree that it is worth trying anything. I only did lump and rads so the chemo thing didn't come into it.

    Hugs

    Mags 

  • texas94
    texas94 Member Posts: 204
    edited March 2008

    Hi girls, I'm sure everyone is different, but I was on Lupron for 4 months when I was 25yrs old as a treatment for endometriosis.  I have never, ever felt worse in my life. I am now 36 (diagnosed 10/07) on Tamoxifen along with an antidepressant and feel just great (again, not everyone has the same results).  I am also pre-menopausal.  I was also given the choice between Tamox or Lupron when my Oncotype DX test showed I would not need chemo.  I told my doctor I would rather have chemo for 4 months than go back on Lupron for years if that tells you anything about how it made me feel (I'm sure those of you that have had chemo would beg to differ). My dr too said she sees patients feel worse on Lupron.  Is it possible for you to try one and if they side effects are unbearable switch to another?? I never even asked that question because I would not consider Lupron.

    EHK

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