Bi-lateral Mastectomy Nov. 1, 2007

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marina1
marina1 Member Posts: 30
Bi-lateral Mastectomy Nov. 1, 2007

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  • marina1
    marina1 Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2007

    I finally got my surgery date 11/1/07. All Saints Day - hopefully they're there to just watch and not take dibs on me. I'm being aggressive. IDC stage 1  1cm grade 2 on left (shotgun pattern of IDC) and right looked fine but all sorts of cancers run in my family and i'm now the 2nd with breast cancer (my sister diagnosed last yr). Now that I have the date, I don't have any more opinions to go get and now I can fret over the surgery. I read everyone's posts and weigh the good with the bad as far as reconstruction options. I have a heart arrythmia so a 10+ hour surgery isn't in my best interests (though cardio has cleared me for surgery). I was all set in my mind to do the pedicle tram, then implants, now back to tram. I want to have the tram and hopefully be done with surgeries on the breasts (i'm told reconstructed implants don't last as long as augmented implants) but it's hard to get excited when I know the recovery is going to be hard. But everyone's different and maybe I'll do better than average- or maybe worse than average? I'm going nuts. I don't know what's next. I'm having the SNB at the same time so no idea about my nodes or if chemo is in my future. People are amazed how well i'm handling it - but inside i can just crumble sometimes. I'm mad, sad, scared. I try to keep busy and not think about things but just like now, I start crying. I guess I'll do better when I have more knowns vs. unknowns but isn't cancer an unknown anyway? Anyone have pedicle trams they can share experiences with me?

  • irishdreama
    irishdreama Member Posts: 938
    edited October 2007

    Hi Marina1 and Mamhop

    I had a bilateral mastectomy on July 20, and while I was uncomfortable for about 5 weeks afterward (I had the expanders put in) after that it's fine-honestly!! At least it has been for me-I have had no discomfort since, and part of the reason I had discomfort then was because I got Shingles right after surgery, and just assumed it was a rash from the bandages!! Embarassed I just finished radiation and should be having the actual implants put in soon. Keep your chins up and good luck to both of you!! I'll be thinking of you!  Jeri

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited October 2007

    I'm set for bilateral with implant recon tomorrow! I was a bit anxious about the pain factor till I found out what my surgeons do to alleviate it. First, the breast surgeon tunnels a small catheter into each breast area. This catheter is attached to a little pump that gives a continuous infusion of numbing meds for 3-5 days. Then, my plastic surgeon actually injects botox into the pec muscles, essentially paralyzing them for the next three months.

    All this helps prevent spasms and the use of much pain meds.

    Maybe you can request something similar. Or maybe your facility already does something like that. Have conversations with your surgeons (interview them!) before you feel pressed to make a decision. And though this board is fabulous for information, just remember that your experience may be totally different.

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited October 2007

    I have a few suggestions for all who are getting bilat mast. I had it done June 1 and here are a few suggestions made to me before or I figured out afterwards.

    1. get non-childproof lids on your medicine. opening up the child-proof caps are frustrating right after surgery!

    2. Have a pillow to use in the car on the trip home to protect your injured breasts from the seatbelt.

    3. If you don't have sally bags or camisoles with pockets to carry your drains in, get the 'granny house dresses' that snap up the front and wear them inside out to put the drains in the pockets. (only wear at home like that).

    4. front buttoning large shirts, it is hard to put your arms over your head to get in t-shirts.

    Sheila

  • emg326
    emg326 Member Posts: 102
    edited October 2007

    I agree with the above. I had my bilat. mast. with expanders on 7/10. It was painful for about 10 days, but I was back at the gym in 3 weeks doing cardio and legs. The expanders are hard to get used to at first, but they haven't really bothered me for a long time.

    Do keep lids loose on meds, make sure you have lots of pillows to prop you up to sleep, or some people like to sleep in a recliner. Button up shirts are important, and I just pinned my drains to the inside sleeve. Do not turn down any offers of help.  Good luck with everything.

  • Chris40
    Chris40 Member Posts: 2
    edited October 2007

    Marina1,

    Hi, I'm having my bilateral mastectomy with SNB and expanders tomorrow at Piedmont.  Talk about nerves...  I know all will be alright; it's more the phone calls of crying family members that is bringing me down.  Wish me luck. I'll be thinking about you on 11/1(that was my alternate date :-)

    Christine

  • marina1
    marina1 Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2007

    Christine, I sent you a private message in My Home. Interested in the details as it sounds like your in the Atlanta area too....tks.

  • jade56068
    jade56068 Member Posts: 584
    edited October 2007

    Hi girls

    I am having my bilat on Monday....its coming way to soon for me, then not soon enough....you know?

    I am going to ask about the botox and stuff.  Maybe they can give me some for my frown lines too....I know they got bigger after all this started....hahaha

    j

  • marina1
    marina1 Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2007

    Jade, I know exactly what you mean. I still have that positive go gettum attitude about this major surgery but that's because i'm what 12 days away. I'm sure I'll need more than 1 glass of wine as the day gets nearer!! As I read these posts and talk to people that really don't understand what we're going through. I'm that much more appreciative to have this sounding board. People without this experience really can't understand the mental anguish we put ourselves through and the enormous courage and strength we have to demonstrate to get through each day with a smile. But we do it. Stay positive - I know our surgeries will go well. It's that much closer to recovery and starting a new way of life.

  • jade56068
    jade56068 Member Posts: 584
    edited October 2007

    Marina

    Tomar is the day....I slept till 5am today.  Had a stomach ach and now I am just in a fog!!!!  My whole family is coming today.  I DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT TOMAR AT ALL!!!!!!  My family is actually staying at a hotel for the night (because I jsut want to be with my husband and kids tonight)  and I am hoping that the conversations will be light and breezy.  Its weird, I dont want to answere the phones either....just dont want to chat about it.  I WANT TO HOLD IT TOGETHER!!!!!  I need to do that.  I feel like I am still living in that dream....that its happening to someone else.

    I hate when my friends say "think of it as a boob job".... I know they are trying to lighten the mood, but I didnt sign up for this.

    Ok I am done.....

    Hope to be able to chat soon....say alittle prayer for me tomar:<}!!!

    I say one for you all every night:<}

    J

  • oldgram1
    oldgram1 Member Posts: 56
    edited October 2007

    Well, I just had bilateral on Thursday with tissue expanders and I'm feeling just fine.    Haven't take a Vicodin since early a.m. -  just taking Tylenol.  I was a wreck the night  before - crying and just sure I was going to be in so much pain that I couldn't stand it....well I was really wrong.   I stubbed my toe on the vacuum cleaner last week and was hobbling for several days and that pain was actually much worse than the breast incision pain. 

    The drains are kind of a mess to deal with but not painful.    I have a bra/corset type thing that is very tight and itchy but I'm good to go.   In fact, I'm already climbing the walls from having to stay at home.  I go  back to plastic surgeon on Wed. and wish I could get drains out but it's probably too early.

    I feel very stupid for being such a  big  baby about this surgery.    I'm hanging on to my Vicodin as I'm now worried about the fillups, especially since they are 130 miles from my home.    Except for being a little tired, I don't feel much different than I did before surgery.  

    It was also a long wait for me - I had a partial mastectomy in August and a surgery in July when they found it.   It's also like a shotgun blast - little pieces of cancer throughout the left breast.    I chose to have the right removed because this cancer did now show up on any of the tests I had.

    Best wishes to all you have to go through this!

    Gail

  • jade56068
    jade56068 Member Posts: 584
    edited October 2007

    Gail

    Today is my day:<}  I am going to be brave and I pray I have the same experience as you

    j

  • ophelia
    ophelia Member Posts: 337
    edited October 2007

    Hi Jade, I'm going to say a little prayer for you this Am that everything goes well with your surgery and that you'll be back on your feet in no time.  I'm sure you'll be glad to have it behind you.  Best of luck!!!

  • Savgirl
    Savgirl Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2007

    Truly, for me, waking up from surgery was wonderful, as all of the "what should I do's?" were behind me.  Knowing that I didn't have to make any more huge decisions was such a relief.  I did bilat with expanders and have never looked back.  Reconstruction was a breeze, and I was back playing competitive tennis 5 weeks after saline implants.  Good luck.

  • sharebear
    sharebear Member Posts: 332
    edited October 2007

    Marina,

    I had a bilateral mastectomy w/pedicle tram on 3/15/07. I was only in the hospital for 2 days. My suggestion would be to stay another day or 2.

    I had 2 drains that came out of my lower abdomen. The house coats worked great. You can put your drains in the pockets.

    The pillow in the car is a must to cushion you from the seat belt.

    Definitely ask for the easy access caps on  prescriptions.

    I slept in a recliner for about 3 weeks. After all that rearranging and stretching, standing straight or lying back isn't an option. If you don't have a recliner plan on plenty of pillows to prop you up in bed.

    I started chemo 5 weeks after surgery and still was not standing up straight. Don't worry, you eventually do. At one point I was wondering if I did the right thing. I did. By around week 6 or 7 I was upright again. I had enough for a B cup but I'm not a very big woman to begin with. That may have had alot to do with the amount of stress on my abs.

    I also used a chair in the shower for a while.

    Pain meds. Well...they sent me home on oxycodone. Even following all the protocol not to get constipated, I got so constipated, I ended up going to the emergency room 6 days later for a soap and water enima. It was more painful than my daughters 18 hours of back labor and birth. I then took nothing but advil. The drs. kept trying to give me a different type of pain med. All I said was NO THANKS! It was doable.

    I have had many surgeries, this was my second bc (first dx 12 years ago). I have a high tolerance for pain. This is a big one. Just make sure you follow the drs. orders on not doing too much. Give yourself time to heal and realize that it does take 6 mos to a year to completely heal from this type of surgery. The results are great.

    I just had my nipples done 2 weeks ago. That was painless and makes a huge difference.

    Goodluck to all you ladies.  You'll do great!

    Sharon

  • goldilocks
    goldilocks Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2007
    Nice to read AND KNOW that there is light at the end of the tunnel.  Had a bilateral-mastectomy 9/26/07 and feel so alone and scared.  If it wasn't for this website, I'd be lost.  Everyone has such a great attitude.  My husband is great, does everything, including the creams and wraps for the healing.  I'd be really a mess without him.  I am still having a hard time looking at myself since I am so very bruised.   I just sometimes cry and don't even know why.  Will be going back to work in a couple more weeks, and don't know if I have the courage to face my co-workers even though they know what I've been through.  They  have never had this happen to them so they look at it as a boob job.  Dr wants me to stay the size I was prior to the surgery so I had the flaps with the implants all done at the same time.  A 12 hour surgery.  When I woke up I asked when are we getting started...Tongue out  Must have been the happy meds?  Anyway, I am feeling better each day.  It just seems like with having gone through chemo and radiation 4.7 years ago that this would be easier. The dr said that due to having done that stuff it will take longer to heal than if I had not done the chemo/radiation.  At least they got all the cancer and I thank God and everyone for their prayers and warm wishes.  Crying is an everyday thing.  I just try not to have the water works going when anyone is around.  I don't need people to feel sorry for me, I made it. It's just hard knowing that my body will never be the same.  Perky when I'm in my 90's but everything else dragging Laughing  Everyone here has really made a difference in my life, with out you guys my attitude would be less.  I am a strong person, and always have been.  The story of your mama wearing combat boots, well I did and served my country proudly.  Family for me is different.  My husband is my sole support.  We have no children and the couple of friends we have are very close and special.  Family is who you make not who made you.  Thanks new family. ((()))
  • BRCABabe
    BRCABabe Member Posts: 10
    edited October 2007

    Marina1,

    I had a bilateral with pedicle tram flap reconstruction on Sept. 25. For me the fear of it was overwhelming the 2 weeks before surgery. Once I woke up I was absolutely sure I had done the right thing.  I did this as a prophylactic mastectomy given my high risk but the pathology showed DCIS. Lucky me in that I did not have the stress of the MRI showing something, then a needle biopsy and then a node biopsy and then a mastectomy. Fortunately we did a sentinal node biopsy anyway (during surgery) as a precaution.

    I was in the hospital for 5 days post-op (6 total). My advice is to stay as long as you can. I had great care and it helped my husband catch up on his sleep as well. I really needed a lot of help the first week or two I was home.  Getting in and out of bed was a challenge, but I did it. It does get easier. If you have a recliner, that would be a great help.

    My girlfriend sent me this great device called  "The Marsupial". It is an adjustable terrycloth belt with 2 pouches for your drains. She had her mastectomy 10 years ago, so I guess you could google it. Once the drains come out you will feel better, but it takes awhile to recover. I am on week 4 and am barely standing straight and have just gotten off oxycodin and am mainly on motrin. I still tire easily, but I force myself to walk, do some small chores and work very part-time.  You should respect your body and find that balance between pushing yourself slightly, but also laying back as you need. Everyone is different and you need to do what works best for you.

    I wish I had done a bit more investigation as to what to expect after the surgery. My PS is good, but very vague and I like a lot of information. I just didn't know what questions to ask. I don't regret my decision, I just wish the recovery was a little speedier, but I knew I was looking at a longer recovery when I chose this procedure. I am still swollen and the PS said that would last 6 months to a year -- but boy is my belly a lot flatter!!!

    Oh yes, one more thing. get comfortable clothes to wear home and around -- loose fitting.  It will also take awhile until you get your arm range of motion back, so forget tricky things. I wore my husbands buttondown shirts for the first week. Now I can wear soft long-T's, etc. 

    I don't know if it matters, but I was in Providence, RI. 

    If there is anything specific you would like to know, just let me know. 

    Good luck. 

  • marina1
    marina1 Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2007

    BRCABabe- thanks for the GREAT feedback. My ps actually told me straight out it's not an easy recovery. My sister had the pedicle tram & tried to dissuade me from it. So, I'm prepared for the lengthy recovery- i think :) I've gone out and bought my button down pajama's and lose pants. I'm taking off through year end at work on short term disability to focus on recovery. You are so right though...these last 2 weeks have been torture on the mind. I finally have come to accept that what I'm doing is right and it will be alright. I've taken vacation now until the surgery (11/1) to get the house ready, relax, do more shopping and get ready!! thanks again and this forum for venting, asking, questioning is so important and I thank all of you for your comments. It has helped me come to my peaceful state of mind.

  • Jen44
    Jen44 Member Posts: 631
    edited October 2007

    I am scheduled for a bilat on Halloween of all days.  I had two lumpectomies, with 3 nodes positive, on my right breast and was told after an ultra sound that my left breast was clear.  After going to my oncologist to start chemo she decided she wanted me to get an MRI.  Glad she did.  There were three areas in my left breast.  Turns out that is where the cancer started and the right breast was a reaccurance.  I thank God everyday that she decided to do the MRI.  I had to have an ultra sound to issolate where the areas were using the MRI as a guide.  The ultra sound tech tried 3 times and finally had to ask the radiologist to issolate the areas.  It took over 40 minutes for this to be accomplished.  He told me my breast were so dense the areas probably would never have shown up on an ultra sound alone.  With this information my doctors, husband and I decided that a double, instead of a single, mastectomy was what I should have.  I am confident this is the right decission.  I have to wait for reconstruction because it necessary for the chemo to start asap as my cancer is a grade 3.  My friends and family have been great, but it is hard sometimes when other people, they haven't had to face this, keep telling you don't worry they are only breasts.  I agree they are only breasts, but they are my breasts!  I sometimes feel like yelling, but then I feel guilty because I know they mean well.  I am already familiar with drains because I had one after my first lumpectomy because of the lymph node removal.  I am not however looking forward to having more than one.  How long do they usually have to stay in?  Thanks for listening.  Even though I hate that other people have to put up with the same thing I am, it is nice to know I am not alone. 

    Jenny 

  • jade56068
    jade56068 Member Posts: 584
    edited October 2007

    Hi all you wonderful ladies

    It is NICE to be able to chat with people who know what it feels like to go through all this change.  I have dreams every night about my breast (of all things) last nights dream was.....well weird:<}.

    Jenny- it sounds like you have GREAT dr.s and you are in good hands.  I pray that your recov is fast and painless:<}.  You are in my thoughts.

    goldielocks-  I hope you are feeling better each day.  You are not alone in your thoughts and feelings.  This is a very scary rollercoaster....but it will slow down, and become a story of bravery for you to tell all your great gran children:<}

    love to you all

    j

  • goldilocks
    goldilocks Member Posts: 134
    edited October 2007

    Jen44,

    It is good that they were able to see you needed more than just the "simple lumpectomy" (so they call it) but that you decided to go through with the double mastectomy.  It is no picnic.  You can be as positive as you can, but nothing prepares you for the reality of it all.  My husband has been great.  Sometimes he has not been around and I have had to clean, cream and bandage myself.  It is not a tearless situation.  You become scared and alone all at the same time.  REMEMBER, we are ALL here for you.  Without this group I would have been a serious basket case and probably been placed in a home for crazy people.  You need to be BRAVE and face this head on once you get started.  It really does get better.  I'm living proof.  I thought I looked disfigured and like some kind of monster.  Well, it turns out that after a couple of weeks, you get over it and move forward.  Just bite that bottom lip, let the tears (waterworks) flow and we will work through this together.  I did the chemo and radiation when I had my lumpectomy on my right breast 4.7 years ago.  Things you learn along the way are that sucking on ice chips helps with the soars that happen with your mouth.  I lost my hair by the 3rdday after my first chemo treatment, but decided that bald was good.  Kept me cooler.  Wore a wig one day and then changed to scarves and ball caps. Everyone is different. 

    Thanks to everyone listening, and sharing. Kiss You all have helped me in ways that I will never be able to explain, but I know that you understand what I mean.  We are a family that helps hold each other together.  Hang in there sis, cause we can do this.  There is much more than you will understand as we go through the steps, together.  I am very new at this and still have waterworks Cry everyday.  Just remember that it is OK to cry.  Never stop asking questions to your doctors, and us.  That is where it comes together.

    Love you all, and thanks for helping each of us.

  • Jen44
    Jen44 Member Posts: 631
    edited October 2007

    Jade- I am glad to know that I am not the only one that has weird dreams about her breasts.  I know that of all things to concentrate on my breasts should be the least of it.  Its just they have been a big part of my life for a long timeSmile  I have a 14 year old daughter and this is really hard on her as well.  She really hated when she first started getting her breasts, like me she developed early.  She just started to enjoy the fact that she has them this past year and now she has to watch her mom loose hers.  She is really having some serious mixed emotions because of it.  I know she will be okay in the end.  It just really sucks at the moment, which I know you know all too well. 

    Goldilocks- thanks for all the advise.  I do have to remind myself that it is okay to cry about all this.  Unfortunately, I was brought up being taught that you are weak if you cry.  I have always known that isn't true.  It is just strange how you work on changing things about yourself and when you are faced with something like this you have to work out all those old demons all over again.  I don't want my kids growing up thinking crying is a bad thing, but at the same time I am afraid if I let myself start crying I may not stop.  Hopefully, I will find a happy medium because I do know it is important to allow myself to mourn what is happening to my body.  I am so grateful that I can talk to you wonderful ladies about all of this.

    I also wanted to thank you ladies that gave the suggestions about the loose clothes, the pillow for coming home, and the recliner for sleeping.  These are things that when you think about it seem so obivious, but lets face it, right now I am not really thinking that much at all Wink  It is nice to have people that will help me think.  Take care, you wonderful group of ladies and my prayers are with all of you.

    Jenny

  • Jen44
    Jen44 Member Posts: 631
    edited October 2007

    Hi everyone,

    I had a friend give me this and I thought I would share it.  With all that we fear that cancer can take from us it is good to remember what it can't!

    WHAT CANCER CANNOT DO
    CANCER IS SO LIMITED...
    IT CANNOT CRIPPLE LOVE
    IT CANNOT SHATTER HOPE
    IT CANNOT CORRODE FAITH
    IT CANNOT KILL FRIENDSHIP
    IT CANNOT SUPRESS MEMORIES
    IT CANNOT SILENCE COURAGE
    IT CANNOT INVADE THE SOUL
    IT CANNOT STEAL ETERNAL LIFE
    IT CANNOT CONQUER THE SPIRIT
    AUTHOR UNKNOWN

    Jenny

  • jade56068
    jade56068 Member Posts: 584
    edited October 2007

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