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  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    I have bounded and blundered along, since my dx 4 years ago last July.Paying attention mostly to my SEs from Femara, and my hopes to live a full  life as a chemically-produced 90 year old.

    I see my onc every 3 months.But I've almost forgotten why.

    So yesterday I was in a Dollar Store.I like to buy black Halloween socks for $1.

    And at the door were piles of plastic Trick or Treat loot holders.Plastic buckets, colored orange and looking like pumpkins, colored black & looking like witches cauldrens, colored white with ghost faces.

    And it all came back to me in a flood of horror.

    How I was terrified to begin chemo.It was right around now, my first tx.

    The terror came pouring back when I saw those buckets.I remembered how I had bought one.A simple white one (with a ghost face).Which I couldnt believe I wouldnt need to carry every time I left the house, while on chemo.

    I DID bring it to my first chemo.

    My daughter is a chemo nurse.She took me to my chemo txs.She gently tried to tell me that I wouldnt need the bucket.But--being the mom of 3 small kids, she let me go ahead with carrying it when I insisted.

    And to increase the horror, at my first chemo, Adriemycin & Cytoxin, we were very early.We had to wait in the waiting area which is also near the door to outside.Sitting there with my bucket, I saw a very young, very, very wasted-away stick of a girl being led slowly by her husband.He gently sat her in a chair, and went to bring the car.

    She was carrying a plastic bucket!Hers was plain white.

    After the young husband brought the car and practically carried his wife to it, helped her in with such care and love, after they left, I whispered, appalled, to my daughter ,

    "Will I get like that?"

    "Oh I pray not, M.That woman is dying."

    My daughter was weeping.

    I was terrified.

    This was my intro to the wonderful world of chemo.

    It didnt last long.

    At my onc's, they run plain water in IV until the labs come up.

    Then they run "good-time" drugs-Ativan,Decadron, other goodies.LOTS of them!You get calm and happy immediately!These continue throughout the chemo.Along with Aloxi, Zofran, other anti-nausea drugs.

    The (huge doses of) chemo are almost incidental.

    As soon as the IV started running, suddenly I wondered why on earth I brought that silly bucket.

    Next the nurses started bring our choice of drinks -LOTS of them, to wash the poisions out as quickly as pozsible.Mine were orange juice hzalf& half with cranberry juice.The chemo ran so slowly, there were trips to the potty needed.All while hooked up to IV and moving my IV pole! Whod'a thunk?

    Since my daughter was there, the nurses would bring us fabulous stuff--from the drug reps.Imagine deadly nauseating poison going in unnoticed while eating fantastic French pastries!Smile"Girls" (the nurses and my daughter , and me) sitting around talking and laughing.There was definately a party feel.It could have been a day spa.A bizzare one, OK.

    I became completely casual and unafraid, and stayed that way throughout my  whole tx.I hardly blinked an eye when my nails turned black, when my nose bled, when Taxotere gave me fierce , constant diarrhea.(I simply ate nothing but cake!It didnt irritate my tummy.)

    My onc(Dr Feelgood) writes down our proticol for the next 3 days--he knows he has stoned us good & proper and we wont remember.There will be Zofran taken every 4 hours.There will be Ativan each night of the three.During Taxotere there was lots more Decadron taken orally for the 3 days.

    I forgot to mention a card of Emend for each chemo.A large cap an hour before tx, a smaller one for the next 2 days.I always swore Emend had something high-making in it.It always made me feel warm and..happy.

    I grew sanguine about my tx.Nothing was bad.Nothing was frightening.Everything was fine.I  used to do my housework for the 3 weeks during the days after chemo.

    I cant say I LOVE chemo, but I do love my onc!

    His method was to hit cancer really hard the first time around."First chance is the best chance."

    But he gave all these DRUGS to make everything fine, really fine.

    And so I truely had forgotten the terror, the abject terror of starting chemo, until I saw those damn buckets yesterday.

    I still have mine.It lives onthe shelf of my coat closet, holding gloves.

    But the sight brought back so fully the truely awful feeling of having chemo on your appointment calendar.

    <sigh>

    So to all of you who have had chemo, I send my congratuations.We did it!!!

    To all who may be starting, it is really OK.

    If you're afraid, or sick, tell your onc you need more drugs!(If they can pump poison into us, they can CERTAINLY pump drugs in to make it easy!)

    It is doable, and it ENDS!

    To all , hugs.

    J

  • tawyna1
    tawyna1 Member Posts: 273
    edited October 2007

    hi joan,

    my mom's first chemo was ac.

    we were scared to death. it is so hard when you see people so sick.

    i was so glad when my mom finished her treatments.

    i liked everyone there but depression was getting me.

    i don't think i am as strong as you and my mom.

    your story is inspirational joan and so are you.Smile

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Joan, chemo surely was no fun.  I wish I had your onc.  I was okay, but I sure was flying high. LOL  When I'd get through with my session I remember feeling a high from that like...Darn, I'm glad this is done.  And even had an appetite to eat. 

    I will remember most of the stuff that happened around Christmas time.  I had Christmas dinner at my house (family).  Everyone knew I would be going for my biopsy within a couple of days..can't remember exactly the date.  I told dh to tell everyone that I DID NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT!  I didn't want dinnere ruined.  For the most part all went well.  However, I know it was hard for some to not say anything because they wanted to wish me well.

    Yep, Joan, we have come along way.  I started my chemo either the end of Jan. or beginning of Feb (see what chemo's done to me..LOL) of 2005 and it ALL ended April of 2006...first chemo, then mast, then rads, THEN six months of Xeloda.  I was the happiest person around to been done!

    Now, we're so lucky to have the good ole AI.  Joan, you hang in there with taking the AI.  You'll be done real soon.  Time flies by when you're having fun.  Laughing

    Shirley

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Tawyna, you are very, very strong.Look how hard it's been being there for your Mom all these years.

    Honey, I pray you never have to find out how really strong you are.

    Love, Joan

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Shirley--LOL! Time sure does fly by.Cuz we're having SO much fun on AI.

    But I agree.We are very lucky to have it.

    Boy, that must have been pretty hard.Making a big family dinner with THAT hanging over your head.I'm sure some wanted badly to hug you and wish you well.But you knew they did.And it did work out well.Phew.

    Congrats, Sista!Ya done REAL good.

    love, j

  • 2up
    2up Member Posts: 1,358
    edited October 2007

    jeeze joan ............ i just got goosebumps!

    i had my bone scan, my liver scan and my plastics consult (in between my own patients) on halloween 2005.  i had already been dx'd with IDC and no choice but mastectomy and i was frigging terrified of the mast and lymphectomy to follow 2 days later.

    i remember trying to act like nothing was wrong, making cute jokes about how i could be the "boobless horsemen" and how after all my diagnostics i "surely glowed in the dark" etc etc.

    i remember all of the kids coming to my door for candy, watching my own daughter leave to 'trick or treat', feeling tearful and hopeless and 'small', yet hopeful because it seemed my marriage was back on track (WRONG) ........ the day is engrained in my mind to a point where i feel nauseated at the site of halloween decorations ............ but angry at myself for feeling this way. 

    christmas brings on another full set of emotions, as my first chemo was the 19th of december (and my mom was concerned it might interrupt her celebrations) .......... anyhow, i will 'celebrate' 2 years on october 19th (which nobody but me remembers) and to this day i have a deformed marshmallow and chocolate 'witch' that the ultrasound tech gave me on the day of my biopsy ............. nobody but me knows it's buried in the bottom of my freezer lol.

    i just keep on keepin on like this is all a walk in the park and keep my sh!t to myself ................ everyone is happily oblivious ............. nice to know i'm not the only one with "quirks" lololol!  i have many more, but if i posed them openly ya'll would think i'm nuts!!!!!!

    i love ya joanie!

      

  • Towanda2
    Towanda2 Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2007

    What a timely post - this morning I go for my every 6 month onc checkup.  Going through the checkup is scary enough, but just walking into that building gives me the heebie-jeebies.  It's the same medical building where I saw my gyn the day after I found "the lump" - Friday the 13th, when the whole nightmare started.  I went directly from the gyn across the street to the hospital for mammo and ultrasound, where a few hours later the radiologist told me it looked like cancer. 

    Now almost four years later, the flashbacks are much less frequent, although much less expected, and only a little less terrifying, when they come.

    Hugs and blessings to all of you.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Ya know, Joan, that Christmas dinner really wasn't so bad.  It kept my mind off of what was coming. LOL  Plus, I cleaned like heck before Christmas because I didn't know what the heck I would be facing after the biopsy.  The surgeon had already told me he was 90% sure it was cancer.  I thought I'd be lying in my bed PUKING the entire time.  Hence, the cleaning.  I didn't want people coming into see me (hahahaha) puking with my house turned upside down. LOL

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Shel, YOU, my dear, should let it all hang out right here on this board.  Bless your heart.  Keeping it bottled in is horrible. 

    I hate when people are in "oblivion land!"

    BTW, if I were at your house right now you would not longer have that deformed marshmellow and chocolate witch in your freezer!  I get this awful sweet tooth and I would KILL for it.  I don't have any candy in this house (and don't need any....oh, maybe some real dark chocolate would be okay).  I'm dreaming of the "leftovers" in that freezer.  Laughing  Don't forget...I KNOW IT'S THERE!

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Towanda, how'd your checkup go?

    Shirley

  • 2up
    2up Member Posts: 1,358
    edited October 2007

    thank you shirley ............. i can't explain what your post just meant to me.

    finally, somebody heard me.  you can have my marshmallow witch anyday!

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Shel, I would NEVER think you are nuts!So post away, if you want.This is a venting kind of place.

    Yeah, the Halloween-y tx time--now THAT's SCAREY!

    Funny.I had an old skate-boardin shirt.(Not that I skateboard) This shirt was acid yellow-i had to have it.It had a horrible skull on it, and said "Time for terror."I used to wear it a lot around Halloween.But that year-sure.I threw it out.I didnt need a reminder.I WAS terrified.

    Dear One, I dont blame you a BIT for keeping the deformed marshmallow& the witch.{{{Shel}}}.I know.

    Just like me & my ghost bucket.You dont throw these things out.Mementos of TOTALLY life-changing experiences.

    Oh, Shel, I love you, too.

    PS I just read Shirley.LOL!Shirley has got to be one of the sweetest women on these boards!Shirley! You dont need any more sweetening!I bet mosquitoes LOVE you!Sweet!

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Hi Towanda,

    By now you are back from your 6 month check up, and feeling happy.Good for you!And you wont have to go back for ages!

    Yes certain things are traumatic.And I bet NO ONE has had more frightening traumas than we bc girls.I'd bet there is something for each of us, that brings the trauma back, if only briefly.

    I had my chemo in my onc's suite of offices.I also met with him there, after my lumpectomy, to discuss my treatment.I was so totally ignorant I was certain he would say-"OK Joan.An .8 cm tumor-it's gone.ONLY 1 lymph node was hot.Go home, forget it all."When he didnt was the time I realized I was in deep, deep doody.

    (Sometimes I think about it.Could all that chemo, and hormonal therapy really be for nada?Could I really have been OK w/just surgery?The proverbial crap-shoot.)

    Hugs and blessings to YOU, and please come and report your good news!

    love, j

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    "Shirley! You don't need any more sweetening!I bet mosquitoes LOVE you!Sweet!"

    Joan, I really don't know if those pesky flying creatures like me or not.  You see, I don't go outside enough to find out.  Laughing  I get into my car from the garage and come back in through the garage.  And it's been to darned hot (well until now..been some nice days...need to wash the car but with the drought they really don't want us wasting water...however, I don't wash my car often so I'll wash it if I want to...could carry the bath water down stairs..no that won't work cuz it would be dirty water on a clean car and the soap may not be good for my car) to do anything outdoors.  Hope you're not too confused by that last sentence.  Laughing

    Yep, Joan, Shel needs some big {{{{{{{{{{HUGS!}}}}}}}}}}

     Shirley

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Shirley I know what you mean about the Christmas dinner not really being that bad.We had a big neighborhood party around the time of my biopsy.I was all ready to give it a miss.Stay home and brood. But my friends convinced me to go.So I made a huge BASIN of potato salad, laced with dill from  my garden.Yes it helped to distract me.And certainly the party did.Although at one point, a friend who is a very devout Christian insisted on a hand-holding around our table, and a prayer for my result.I was actually touched and hopeful that it would do the trick.

    (Well I guess w/out it, it could have been worse.)

    One friend of aboutr my age had experienced a stereotactic biopsy years before.Ginny said she told the docs:"I dont have THAT!"

    And she didnt.

    Anyhow, the party was definately distracting.

    I cleaned before my surgery.Not because of not wanting anyone to see, but because I'm a germ freak.

    I wore nothing next to my surgery , afterwards, but  new white t-shirts that had been laundered in hottest water & bleached to a fare-thee-well!

    Lots of love, Shirley, Sweetie!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Heard ya, Shel!

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Joan, you have GOT TO BE one of my favorite people on this board.  You are funny and ALWAYS make me laugh.  Better than TV!

    I didn't go to the extreme that you did with washing and wearing new clothes after surgery.  However, all during chemo every time I turned around I was using that "no water soap."  After surgery my dh would "milk" my drains and of course I was sure he used the "kill all bacteria" soap.  I was so afraid of getting an infection.  And, during chemo I wouldn't allow anyone to come around me who even thought they were sick.  My onc scared me enough about fevers, going to the ER, telling me to tell them I was a chemo patient..blah, blah, blah...he had me scared!  But you know what.  I was soooo stupid and ate from a salad bar at a restaurant right after getting chemo.  I finally came to my senses and didn't do that anymore.  Talk about germs!

    Take care.  I'm going nite nite. Wink  My kitties are calling.

    Shirley

  • 2up
    2up Member Posts: 1,358
    edited October 2007

    and joan ............ thank you ............. i'm in a very strange place right now.  it didn't hit me like this last year (although i was dumfounded that not one single person mentioned a damn thing)!!

    i guess i'm just tired of being stoic ......... i can't get past this overwhelming emptiness ........... i guess it's just delayed "ptsd" ............ and i'll get over it, just like everything else.  

    thank you so much joan and shirley ............. "this too shall pass"

    xo, michelle (who is overwhelmed that ya'll could read between the lines lol) 

  • shorfi
    shorfi Member Posts: 791
    edited October 2007

    Joan....you are a funny and wonderful woman. I enjoy your posts so much. Funny thing happened to me the other night. On Monday afternoon I had an ultrasound guided needle placement for my carpal tunnel syndrome. I left work early because the numbing meds had wore off and I decided that I would lay down for a while till about 8pm. I had a painter who was coming over between 8 and 8:30. So I set my cell phone to wake me at 7:45pm, but for some reason I never heard it ring. Then about 8:15 I awoke and I was probably was still sleeping and the ring tone at 8:15 instantly reminded me that I had to take my anti-nausea pill...then I realized that it was only a dream.

    I know I am sounding very weird right now...but just the sound of the alarm going off made me violent nauseated, and just "talking" about it now makes me feel sick. And the funny thing about it is I am 3 years out.

    So I said all that to say, that I can totally relate to your bucket story, because just hearing that alarm tone on my phone made me feel so sick. I even thought that I had deleted it, but it was still there.

    Being stoic is my name. I was the strong one for my entire family and especially my mom who was diagnosed with Alzheimer's during the same time I was diagnosed.

    Gotta go...starting to feel...as you have coined the phrase..."oogy feeling" Frown

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    I caught the title of "Oogy feeling," and laughed out loud.  I say that all the time to my son, "Do you feel oogy?" as a descriptor of whether or not he feels sick.  He always responds, "What's oogy mean?"  He of course is only 3. 

    Well written, Joan.  Very well. 
    Love and prayers, Deb

  • Towanda2
    Towanda2 Member Posts: 94
    edited October 2007

    Well, since you asked I pased my 6-month onc checkup with flying colors.  She is always so pleased with my results I find myself muttering kine-hora under my breath (for those who don't speak Yiddish, this is what one says to ward off the evil eye/prevent a jinx).

    Of course, my pcp is not at all happy with my rising cholesterol and blood pressure, compliments of Arimidex. Yell 

    But Joan, here is the best part.  My onc keeps up with the latest research, she led the Herceptin trial in our area, etc.  In discussing my bone density loss, she said that she had recently talked with a PhD nutritionist at the hospital, and that in addition to Calcium, it seems really important to take Vitamin D, and I should get my levels checked.  HAHAHA says I, I'm one step ahead of you there!Cool  Not only did I get my levels checked, I am taking 1K supplements because my pcp said 28 was normal but MY sources tell me that's too low!  She agreed.

    So a big thanks to you (and others) for cluing me in to Vitamin D.  I guess this is why they call it "Community Knowledge Exchange",  huh?  Wink

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Towanda, seems like labs think differently.  I had bloodwork for vitamin D.  My lab (Lab Corp) said 32 was the lowest.  At the time I had my blood drawn I was 34.  I'm sure my pcp would think that's JUST fine.  I had been taking 1200 IUs of D before the bloodwork.  So, now I've upped it to 2000 IUs (most of the time).  I'm hoping he'll do another for me.  Or, I could as my gyn when I go next month. Cool

    Good for you for being ahead of the medical establishment. LOL

    Shirley

  • lam
    lam Member Posts: 202
    edited October 2007

    Hi Joan,

    As always I so enjoyed your post - they always resonate with me.  I also got my diagnosis just in time for Halloween and of course the whole BC theme throughout October (2005).  I have a girlfriend here who has just recieved her diagnosis and is scheduled for her masectomy tomorrow.  I am saving your post to send her in an email later on when she can look back on the scary time she is in now and remember the "good" things that also happen to us and to help her find some reasons to smile instead of always feel overwhelmed by the terror of it all.  You sure had a great oncologist and the nurses sound like total sweethearts.  I always mean to ask you if all that hair in your photo is post chemo hair!!!  If it is it sure came back beautifully. 

    Bless you Joan,

    Lots of hugs,

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Towanda, Shortbr, Deb, Les-Ann, I'm very happy that my spooky thread was true for you, and especially happy, Les-Ann that the part about the good stuff  resonated.I'm delighted you will send it to your poor friend.I wrote it for people like her, to show that we DO survive (and sometimes I felt surviving TX was the issue!)

    Towanda  YAY!! I knew your visit would be good. I know, about Kunahara.I never have to worry.My onc, named in our local paper "The Defender" was awesome when I was in chemo.But now-"Geddouddaheah! You're the healthiest patient I've seen all day!"

    (I glare at him.."THAT'S not saying much.")

    But yeah, happy to be just like we are!

    Les-An, it IS grown-back , post-chemo hair.It's a portrait my daughter took of me the day of my 65 birthday.It is titled Ms Medicare.SmileBoy was I happy!

    My hair, always thick, came back supercurly.It looks insane!I want badly to cut it quite short.But it's really easy to put up, this length, or wear a pony tail.

    Bless you, and bless everyone who has been through scarey times .

    Love, j

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited October 2007
    Joan, that was a beautiful post!  It's disconcerting how we can time warp into the past in a split second.  I was having some bad ptsd over the summer and I don't even recall having a trigger for it, aside from the anniversary date looming close.  Somewhat along the same lines as your post, I was so apprehensive about surgery more than other aspects of treatment.  As things turned out, my surgeons and their staff gave me the best medical experience I'll probably ever have.  Yet, I still have ptsd associated with the anniversary of surgery.  Only the dear ladies who have walked this path can truly understand. 
  • Sandra1957
    Sandra1957 Member Posts: 1,701
    edited October 2007
  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Wow, Madalyn! Never felt the urge to clean?You didnt have Taxotere/Taxol!They give so much decadron with it--you could dance (or clean) all night!At least my onc did.Truely, he was Dr GFeelgood.I was a hippie, and journeyed through the 60s-70s on my own natural high.I dont like dugs, and do not take them.

    But truely.When is a better time for drugs then when being infused w/poison?I felt great! And he never let me feel the least bit nauseaus, either.

    In beginning, I asked him "What should I eat, on chemo?"

    "Anything you WANT!"

    And I did.My appetite was great.(A little too great, from the Decadron)The only nausea I ever felt was in my mind, when I was terrified to go on chemo.

    I'm glad you are moving away from your chemo experience.And yes, the hot water bottle thing was just the flashback to worse times I was going on about.Arent we glad we're moving past?

    hugs, j

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Dear Althea,

    Thank you.I'm happy my post resonated with you.

    Yes, I saw your ptsd thread last summer.And didnt know what to say.You sisters are so much smarter than I.It would have made you feel supported if I just said "I know exactly what you're talking about."It took my own flashback to realize.

    I was afraid if I agreed with you, I'd be encouraging the feeling.But I'd NEVCER say "get over it!"

    So I was quiet.

    Yes only the women who have walked this path can understand.OR help each other.

    Love to you (did you ever acquire a taste for ACV?I have forgotten mine-it got lost in the shuffle, plus I was fretting about my tooth enamel.) j

    Hi Lini!Come on in, Girl!

  • Valsul
    Valsul Member Posts: 160
    edited October 2007

    I was on chemo last year and I was too ill to cook Christmas dinner.  My DH and DS did it and it was lovely, but I ate two mouthfuls and that was it, back to bed I'm afraid.  Apart from feeling ill my tastebuds were all to pot and I couldn't taste anything but a metallicky taste.  The only thing I could eat, oddly enough, was an orange fruit loaf with thick butter, plain or toasted.  Guess what?  Can't look at the stuff now without wanting to be sick.

    There were bad days and good days.  My 35th wedding anniversary passed by in a chemo haze - woke up one night terrified that someone was in the room with me looking at me and almost haunting me.  It was a helium balloon that was deflating slowly wafting in front of me.  My DD had bought it to celebrate but I was too bad to see it on the day! LOL

    Joan you keep my spirits up with your wry sense of humour.  You should gather up all your posts here and sort them into a book - a different slant from all other bc journeys - it would surely help others with a smile to get through bc!

    Love you to bits

    Valerie S

  • Sandra1957
    Sandra1957 Member Posts: 1,701
    edited October 2007

    Love you, Joan!!  Your posts humor, mellow, enlighten, engage, and sometimes enrage me.  You're awesome and inspiring.  I deleted my post because in no way can my experiences compare to those of you that have had to go the chemo route.  Although, I will say I sometimes get a real urge to puke when I think about all that we've endured.

    lini

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