Gary Null, and juicing

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I picked up a copy of his book on sale at Whole Foods the other day.It is his life-time diet, or etc.

I'm fascinated.

Gary eats no meat, except occasional fish.He uses protein powder in his cooking and in his shakes & drinks.

He eats whole grains, organic veggies, salads, and juices stuff, and makes one meal a day juice.Enzymes...

I wish I could do this!

Maybe...I can.

But I came to ask you how many of you have juicers, and which you'd recommend.

Truth to tell, I dont think I have it in me to go to all the trouble over a meal (not just juice) that he does.

When I'm cooking something that takes a lot of steps and effort, by the time it's ready I'm full, because I've stuffed every edible thing in my kitchen into my mouth by then...

But I COULD add a juicing routine.And I'd love to hear from (heehee) juicers among us!

Thanks, Joan

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Joan, we bought a juicer and sent it back.  We tried a concoction that I didn't like.  We made up our own "recipe."  LOL  It was a Jack Lalane.  And it was kind of messy.  And I'm too lazy to juice.  Embarassed

    Wasn't it Rosemary that juiced?  I know she makes smoothies.  Now, I do like smoothies and that's one way to get in the fruits.  Now, the veggies.

    I can't do without ANY meat.  Tonight I think I'm going to make a huge salad for dh and I with shrimp.  I also put some fruits in it.  DH likes that.  I eat fat free dressing and he eats FULL FAT dressing.  Other times I usually put grilled chicken in our salad.  And making a salad with everything but the kitchen sink in it is quite time consuming.  However, the salad will last us two days. Smile

    Sorry I can't help with the juicing.

    Shirley

  • bomber410
    bomber410 Member Posts: 564
    edited October 2007

    I can't help you with juicing either.  I love to chew.  Can't give that up. 

    Debbie 

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Well the juice is only for one meal.And I understand from reading Gary that the enzymes and antioxidents in fruit & vegs are washed away by the fiber in the produce.A lot of it.

    So this is the reason for the juicing.

    I love to chew too, and eat.I couldnt be happy on an all-juice diet.

    Yes Shirley!Rosemary DOES juice!I remember her telling about juicing ginger!

    Your salads sound marvellous! I love to do that too.Everything but the kitchen sink salad.It doesnt last ME 2 days.Wink

    My problem is that I do love potato salad (with LOTS of dill) with salad with chicken, shrimp , canned tuna, salmon, even thinly sliced rare skirt steak..But I try to do better by tossing in canned chick peas, or beans.

    And yes, just this year I've taken to tossing fruit in, too.We're definately on the same page !

    I'd like to do the Gary thing, but I dislike protein powder intensely.And--why not have nice lean meat ,or fish instead?

    (Plus, Gary cooks a different grain daily for breakfast.<sigh>

    My breakfast is almond butter on whole grain toast.It's fast and good for me.)

    BTW-I HAVE cut out my selenium suppliment.Gary says that one Brazil nut has as much selenium as we suppliment.(So now I put a Brazil nut in my mid-day suppliment bottle!)

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2007

    Joan,

    Yes, I do juice.  It's quite the pick-me-up.  You can get use to it if you formulate a plan.  Get everything together that you want to juice, wash it all at the same time, and then it all goes in the juicer.

    The Jack LaLaine is an easy clean-up.  Rinse and right into the dishwasher.  Not much cutting of the veggies cause it has a big hole so you just fold up the spinach, and other soft veggies, and last thing you juice is the harder stuff, beet, carrots. etc.  That helps to get more of the soft stuff thru.

    My recipe is spinach, kale, cauliflower, carrot, bok choy, broccoli, a chunk of ginger root, half a beet and its leaf, radish... add some olive oil and vanilla protein powder.  You don't have to skin anything, but do take the pits out of fruits.  What is fun to watch, is the color of radishes that are juiced, so they go in first.  You'll want to use that color in one of your paintings.  The bulk that's left in the catcher is pretty tasty.  Grab a fork, and munch away.

    I don't put in fruits except an apple, cause I'll blend me up a fruit smoothie the next day.  The important thing is to try to make it easy so you'll keep doing it.  Look for short cuts, like lining the catcher with a small plastic bag. 

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Thanks, Rosemary!You absolutely rock!!

    I will google the juicer!

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    I had the Juiceman's for many years.  I would make a conncoction of

    ginger, apple, carrots and parsley and sometimes beets and sometimes wheat grass.  I loved the stuff

    and it was not cleaning the machine that got me, but lugging all those carrots.  It took like 13 carrots to make my drink for the day.

    I just couldn't store all those carrots.  And I had all this pulp and since I am neither a baker or a composter it was crazy.  I gave it to someone.

    There are days I think I would use it again, but not without an organic

    delivery service.

     Joan

    I'm also sure you could get a good deal on ebay on these things from

    disenchanted users like Shirley.

    Happy juicing,

    Susie 

  • JoanofArdmore
    JoanofArdmore Member Posts: 1,012
    edited October 2007

    Thanks Susie!

    I'm thinking maybe it would be too much trouble for me.I'm very lazy.Not like Rosemary, who absolutely has all her ducks in a row.

    But I intend to go to Bed Bath and LOOK at the Jack LaLane one.Maybe it is less arduous?(Hell.Isnt Jack a body-builder?He probably LOVES hauling carrots)

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited February 2008

    Susie,

    I'm trying to think of why I would want to drink 13 carrots worth of juice.  Orange must be the natural glow around here. 

    I just came back from buying my organic veggies, and there I noticed the guy putting the fresh veggies in their respective bins without wearing any gloves.  What the hey?  Just 2 weeks ago they had another bag spinach problem that didn't make any headlines. 

    One would think that would be mandatory in this day and age to handle vegetables with gloves on, but I guess not.  

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2007

    Joan,

    Give it a try, it sure beats a V-8.  Just pick 5 veggies that you think are very important for your good health and stamina.  Just juice those 5.  Nothing to it.   This is what will happen, your dentist will be asking you why your gums look so healthy suddenly.  Blood pressure and cholesterol goes down, eye sight improves, skin tone look better. 

    For myself if I were to choose only 5, it would be spinach, broccoli, radishes, bok choy and half a beet, and for spice of life..  ginger root.  Maybe we can even get Shirley re-interested.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    Hi Rosemary,

    No I didn't turn orange.  I found that with my particular juicer (it was the original Juice-man before they were bought out by Salton) it always took between seven and thirteen carrots to get enough to fill the glass that came with it. I think the hardest thing was storing and cleaning those 25 lbs of carrots (plenty of Dr. Bonners)

    I guess it depends on how much centrifugal force it has as to how much

    juice it actually extracts.  I hear that the Jack Lalane is very powerful for the price.

    I liked the concoction with the beets---gave it a good tang along with the ginger and, if I remember right it was good for the liver.

    My sister had bought one when my niece was diagnosed with ocular

    melanoma.  There was no successful treatment once it had metastasized 

    so, one of the things my sister tried was the Gerson method.  She bought the Norwalk Juice Press  which was several thousand dollars.

    Everything perpetually wound up on the ceiling.  She eventually gave it away to someone in her support group in the same situation.

      After all this talk about juicing I remembered in a moment of weakness I bought a Waring Juicer Refurbished from Amazon. I had seen at a Fat Wallet deal------ Have to laugh--I Forgot all about it and I still haven't used it ---been 2 years.  Out of sight is out of mind.  You really need to keep this thing on the counter.

    Maybe I'll just buy those pre-washed baby carrots and try it out.

    One thing I think you have to watch if you like carrot juice.  Pretty sure it messes with your glycemic level.  I needed carrots and a piece of apple

    in anything I drank to make it palatable but thats just me. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Me!?  Interested?  Hmmmm...would have to think that over. 

    Also, Joan, add an apple.

    I think juicing is very healthy.  The Jack Lalanne's juicer is great as far as not having to "do anything" with the veggies.  I really can't say too much about it because we only tried it once and we really didn't give it much chance.

    I'm having a hard time finding places to put stuff.  I can't keep it on my kitchen counter because I don't have enough space.  I could keep it on the kitchen table.  Laughing  NOT! 

    Rosemary, I may give it some thought.  I'm sure DH wouldn't like it, but he doesn't have to "mess" with it.  I'm a big girl.  I can do this myself.  And, it would probably be a good way to lose some weight.Cool  I could have "veggies" for lunch.

    The pulp can also be used in recipes.  Good fiber.

    Shirley

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    Come on Shirley----That was what I told myself---That all this pulp could be used for making stuff-----Carrot cake of my fantasies----I must have been delusional!

    Still say if its on the counter you are more likely to use it.  Also make sure you have a good bottle brush or kitchen dish brush---The one that comes with it is usually dinky.

    I'll use it if you do! 

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2007

    Susie,

    I read something about those small carrots.  It wasn't anything bad, but something about large carrots having more of something.  I can tell you that none of this stuff works for memory.   Mercola doesn't believe in carrot juice because of the sugar content, nor beets for the same reason.  Well, he's missing something very tasty and nutritious.   I'm not a fan of large amounts of vitamin A cause then we have to double our D intake and take them hours apart.  There's too much to remember to do now.

    Shirley, 

    I agree, they are big and clunky things to keep around the counter.  That's a problem.  Do you need to see your toaster everyday?  See, I just found you some room.  

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    Rosemary--I think you may be referring to another of Dr Mercola's problems with certain produce---The fact that Baby Carrots are not really baby carrots but carrots that didn't pass inspection because they were deformed or too knobby!  They get cut down and processed with ---is it nitrogen?---------

    Would never have known!

    ---anyway its not like nature made them and apparently they just came off the US list of the most pesticide loaded veggies.

    Apparently, if you are going to eat baby carrots you need to look for the conical variety because that will be a clue that they are indeed new tender baby carrots and make sure they are organic.

    Leave it to Doctor Mercola----he's out there but quite often he's on to something.

    He's a proponent of coconut oil--says its gotten a bad rap. I've been avoiding the stuff for years.  Now  I'm wondering about using in on my popcorn.

  • sam52
    sam52 Member Posts: 950
    edited October 2007

    I juiced while on chemo.....was I crazy??? I was so exhausted from all the chopping and then the cleaning and the standing at the kitchen worktop that I don't think I ever felt the surge of energy that was supposed to accompany it.

    The juicer I used then was I think a Kenwood (I am in UK) and pretty lousy. Most of the precious juice ended up onthe worktop.Then recently I saw a Magic Bullet advertised on the Shopping Channel (Thane Direct), and thought I'd get back into juicing again.It is much better and has a lot of nifty accessories....and easier to clean also.It sits obediently on the worktop and is always ready for use.....but I think I am just too lazy to use it regularly. Still a lot of chopping and cleaning to do.......

    Sam

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2007

    Susie,

    That's correct, it was Mercola and carrots.  I just buy the organic reg carrots now.  Hold off on the palm oil.  Again I don't remember exactly what I read about it, but it was recent.  I don't use it so it didn't make a lasting need to remember.  I'll go look.

    Here's the quote from what I read:

    "The results, published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (AJCN), reported that after a trial of 35 days on each diet, participants consuming the partially hydrogenated soybean oil and palm oil diets had levels of LDL cholesterol that were 12 and 14 percent higher, respectively, than when consuming the non-hydrogenated soybean oil diet. An even greater difference was observed when the partially hydrogenated soybean oil and palm oil diets were compared to the canola oil diet. While participants were on the partially hydrogenated soybean oil and palm oil diets their LDL levels were 16 and 18 percent higher, respectively, than when on the canola oil diet."

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/59768.php

    Sam,

    My first juicer was the magic bullet.  It didn't do beets, no matter how hard I tried to get it to do them.  I think the beets they use on the commercial are cooked.  But it did chop soft stuff.   

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    Organic baby carrots are okay, right?

    I don't care what any doctor says...if I want to eat a few carrots I will.  If I want beets I'll eat them (or drink them LOL).  I think these things are healthy.  Better for you than eating candy.  I used to give my kids pickled beets all the time when they were young.  They still remember.  However, they do white sugar when they are pickled.

    Susie, can't the pulp be put in cookies with sugar..LOL or other things.  I think his little cook book put them in muffins are something.  But who makes muffins all the time?  So, out in the garbage goes the pulp.  I wonder how it would taste on a salad. Undecided

    Rosemary, I really don't need my toaster out all the time.  But I don't think the toaster is as big as the juicer.  Here I've been trying to declutter and now with all the appliances I'll be cluttering.  DH wanted a grill for indoors.  I got one of those off of HSN..Wolfe Gang Puck's.  I cannot find a place to put it.  It's too big.  It's in my dining room right now on the table.  I keep that door closed.  But where am I going to put it?  And we really didn't need it.  What a waste of money!

    Shirley

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    Rosemary---Are coconut oil and palm oil the same?

      I don't know much about them since they've been on my no,no. list for years.  Palm oil was still at the top of my avoid list as was cottonseed oil.   If its the same as palm oil it will stay there.

    Maybe I'll just use peanut oil for popping.

    Shirley--I thought I'd be making all these quick breads and muffins, zucchini, carrot I'd put the pulp in the fridge and forget it was there. Maybe sneaking it into soup is the answer---might make a good veggie stock with autumn approaching. Never did make the muffins or bread--

    But I wound up with three juicing cookbooks with recipes long given away as well.

    Sam--I always thought the magic bullet was a blender as opposed to an extractor.  Am I wrong? 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    Shirley--I puchased the Wolfgang panini /grill from HSN too.  And I really do need to keep it on top of the kitchen counter. But it takes up alot of space and although its supposed to stand up--It keeps falling.

      It makes an incredible panini.  I had my doubts about using mayo like he does on the outside but it works.  Also makes a great tuna melt.  Heck- anything with cheese (which I am trying to avoid, of course) 

    Also did a great job on some skinless boneless  chicken thighs. Still working on getting the salmon right.   Need to keep this on the counter because this week I unwittingly threw out the drip catcher not recognizing what it was.

    Does he have a regular indoor grill too? I had a Delongi and can count the number of times I used it.

    The other great item he has is a saucepan with 2 sets of holes in the side of the lid for draining----It comes separate from the sets in the bigger size but its great for pasta. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2007

    The grill we got was an open grill and you can flip it over to a flat side.  It's long.  And, if you're frying bacon (I know..it's a no, no!) the grease (yep, bacon has gease) "film" is all over the stove and the grill is not sitting on the stove.  I cover my canisters with a dish towel so they don't get all greasy.  It is nice for fixing pancakes when the family comes.  How often do I fix pancakes?  It's nice for grilled cheese sandwiches.  But, I can do that on the stove.  That's why I say it's a waste of money.

    I also have the panini grill.  Yes, I do.  I love to grill cheese sandwiches on it.  Haven't tried the "outside mayo" on anything.  And, yes, I do grilled chicken on it too.  Much easier than getting that other big grill out and takes up less room.  I have the panini grill handy.  However, for some reason my dh doesn't like his grilled cheese on the panini grill.  He can cook his own grilled cheese! LOL

    The large grill would probably be really great for grilled veggies.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2007

    Susie,

    I don't know much about coconut oil.  I can't even find if they tested it on humans for cholesterol lowering or heightening.  I like two oils, mac nut oil, and olive oil.  Nut oils are so tasty.  The best dipping oil is blood orange olive oil.  That is so good.  You find the right bread, and fix that oil up with the right seasonings, and dinner is served.

  • margieb
    margieb Member Posts: 9
    edited October 2007

    Hi Joan,

    I began juicing about 6 weeks ago.  I also make a blueberry smoothie every morning w/whey protein powder and kefir. Then I eat lunch and make a veg juice in the afternoon.  Then have a dinner with just a small portion of lean meat and veggies.  I have lost 17 lbs since Aug.  I make my juice with lots of spinach, 1 cucumber, 2 carrots, 2 roma tomatoes and 2 stalks of celery.  I love it!!!  It feels me up, and keeps me going until dinner.  There is a big difference in juicers and what they do and don't do, so I'm sending you a website I found before purchasing mine.  The equipment we use is so important and can make such a difference in the product.  I use organic vegs when I can, but I was also told that if you can't use or afford them, soak regular vegs in 1 gallon water/2 tbls of white vinegar or 5 mins, then rinse well.  There is so much testimony and people out there claiming what a difference juicing made in their survival of cancer, that I feel for me, that I will make the effort.  It is a lot of work, and expensive, and  I'm always having to go to the store, but I don't feel I have a choice, since I have had a reoccurance. 

    The website is www.discountjuicers.com/lowrpmjuicers.html

    Happy juicing!!

    Margie

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2007

    Margie,

    Thanks for the juicer website.  I notice the spout where you feed the veggies in are all small on the different machines.  Do you do a lot of chopping?   Why did you choose the veggies you picked to juice?

    Mine all have a purpose:  Spinach and carrots for the eyes, broccoli, kale, bok choy and cauliflower for anti-tumor growth, radishes for the lungs, beets for the liver, and ginger root for the ovaries and the stomach.  1 tbls of olive oil to help release the nutrients in greens.  I'm always interested in other people's recipes.

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    Rosemary---The blood Orange olive oil sounds delicious.  I'm going to put it at the top of my shopping list.  Funny,---One of my favorite snacks is a plate of sliced oranges and olives drizzled with olive oil with a bit of salt and pepper.

    The only oils I keep in the house are Olive Oil, expellier pressed canola,

    and peanut.  Haven't tried Macademia--sounds delightful! 

    Margie--I admire you.  I know when you start with those machines you

    really have to be dedicated.  I do know

    that if you can do the regime you really do benefit but having th stamina to do it is another matter.   My hat's off to you. I hope you have some

    help since I know that this is a full time job. 

    My thoughts are with you,

    Hugs,

    Susie 

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited October 2007

    Susie,

    My grocery store use to carry it, but no longer.  I have to get it from California.  Stonehouse makes it.  I hope you have good luck in finding it near by you. 

  • sam52
    sam52 Member Posts: 950
    edited October 2007

    Saluki.....coming a bit late to answer you.......my Magic Bullet is both a blender AND an extractor! (?maybe a later version ?)

    I recently bought a whole box of clementines at the market and the Bullet made the most fabulous juice.Just peeled and chucked them in whole - no chopping, hooray!

    I must say one of my favourite juices is apple and carrot (both organic).After I've made it, I eat the pulp by the spoonful; it's pretty moist and tastes great.Then washed down with the juice and I am FTB........

    Now all I need is to do it on a regular basis.....

    Sam

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited October 2007

    Thanks Sam,

    I looked on Amazon and they have a bunch of them each having a different number of attachments---You must have the Super Duper One.

    LOL 

    I'm going to put my juice extracter back on the counter and see if I actually use it.

    Take care, 

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 1,595
    edited October 2007

    I have a juicer from years ago.  I think the brand is Champion.  It used to be a great juicer.  The last few times I've used it, I have extreme difficulty getting the gizmo that does the grinding off the spindle.  If I were to inspect the hole, I'd probably find years of accumulated crisco crusted inside. 

    Juicing can be done very quickly, including cleanup, once you get your routine down pat.  I might just dig out my juicer and give that thing a good cleaning to see if it'll work better.   

  • thomcat
    thomcat Member Posts: 356
    edited October 2007

    Margie:

    What brand of juicer do you have?  I am interested in starting a juicing/raw food diet and am considering a juicer and blender (Vita Mix). 

    Cathy

  • margieb
    margieb Member Posts: 9
    edited October 2007

    Hey Girls!

    My nickname these days is "Shoppin and Choppin" woman.  Yes juicing is very time consuming.  I do have to cut up my veggies with the smaller hole.  The juicer I have is the Omega 8003.  I picked this one for a couple of reasons, the first being the price for what you get.  In my research I learned that you must have the grinding mechanism not get too hot because that destroys the enzymes, which is the purpose of the juicing.  It also said the clean-up was easy, and it is.  My juice comes out very creamy with just a tiny amount of pulp, and the discarded pulp is very dry, which means it's juicing all the vegs.  I too have a vitamix, which I got right after my first dx in 2005.  I didn't use it faithfully, and I don't like it for my veggies because I do NOT like veggie milkshake.  When it's thick, I gag!  I use it in the morning for my dragonslayer shake.  When I bought my Vitamix at a home show, I received a free book called "Beating Cancer with Nurtrition" by Patrick Quillin.  It is a fantastic book.  I just recently had a total hysterectomy because of a bleeding incident.  One month later, June, my tumor marker went up.  Then my onc ordered pet/ct, which showed spot on my T-4, shoulder joint, and my ovaries lit up.  I had a biopsy on T-4 which was neg.  I then had my hysterectomy and b/c was in my ovaries.  My onc has put me on Arimidex.  This all started on Sept. 1.  My bff Roberta, has always been into healthy eating, (raw foods, juicing, etc.)  We immediately decided a plan to attack this monster with whatever I can do on my end.  With her help, the book, and my onc nurse, I have worked very hard to change my whole life style.  It is very scary, because I will not know anything until my pet/scan on Nov 19 and then blood work with onc the next week.  I'm not one to push my faith onto others, but I truly believe in God's power to heal us, and so my faith lies there first, but He also gives us a sound mind and resources to help us.  I believe that He made all the foods we have for a reason, and science is figuring out that they can't mimic the benefits found in fresh vegs and fruits, nuts, etc. So, basically, I want to be here for a long time to come.  I have such a great family, friends, and life.

    When I get too tired to want to go to the store, cut up veggies, wash the juicer, I pray for strength and then I picture my life.  Sometimes, I juice through my tears.  I hope that all this is not in vain, and that somehow it will make a difference.

    Boy, I do ramble.  Back to why I picked those veggies.  Mostly because I tolerate the taste.  I have juiced broccoli stems left over from the crowns, beets, and swiss chard stems.  Anything dark and leafy is suppose to be good.  I am about 80 lbs overweight, and based on my blood sugar level when they test me before pet/ct, I may be prediabetic. (I need to get a primary dr. but as you know we are so busy seeing everyone else)  So I am really careful these days about sugar, so I use very little carrots, beets, bananas, etc.  I only use berries in my smoothie.  Anything green, especially wheat grass, is excellent.  I just can't do it!  I take a capsule that has all the green grasses in it.  I take a whole slew of supplements everyday, based on Dr. Quillin.  I live in San Antonio, and Wednesday I am going to the Wellness Center at CTRC here.  It is a free service to patients, and I am going to try to talk to a nutritionist.  If I find out anything new, I will be sure to let y'all know.

    God Bless,

    Margie 

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