after the mastectomy
I had a lumpectomy but they couldn't get it all, so I had bi-lateral mastectomy. Path report said all margins were negative, but all the oncologist involved with my case still want me to do chemo. The path report after the lumpectomy showed three new spots, all three different kinds of cancer. My original was LIC, the new ones were LIS, DIS, DIC. If all the margins and lymph nodes were all negative, why would they want me to do chemo. Will it improve my chances of non-recurrance by a lot or is it minimal? I have so many questions and don't know which way to go. Please give me some input and some questions to ask my oncologist when I go in 1 1/2 weeks. I have had the reconstruction (expanders) done already also. Thanks for any input you can give me. Eileen
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Hi, Eileen. A lot of factors play into the chemo decision. It's unfortunately not just a case of cutting the cancer out and being done with things. Here are some things of the things the oncologist and you need to weigh:
1) Your receptor status--ER/PR and HER2.
If the tumor is ER/PR positive, you can be treated with hormonal
therapy such as tamoxifen.
If the tumor is HER2 positive, it is a more aggressive type of cancer, and
you will need to take a targeted therapy called Herceptin. It is administred via IV like chemo.
Triple negative tumors (ER/PR neg, HER2 neg) always get chemo. There
is nothing else available to treat them systemically.
2) The grade of the tumor--1, 2 or 3 on the modified Bloom Richardson
scale.
A grade 3 tumor is aggressive and will need chemo. Grade 1, probably
not. Most tumors are grade 2 (intermediate), and are sort of a grey
area.
3) Your age
Premenopausal women pretty much always end up with chemo. We've
got a lot of decades to go. I was 38 at diagnosis, and my age was a
big factor in my decision to do chemo. A post-menopausal woman in her 60's or 70's may decide the risks of chemo outweigh the benefits and may decide to go the hormonal treatment route.
4) The size of the tumor
A lot of oncs use the general rule of thumb that any tumor over 1 cm
gets chemo. I would guess that the fact that you have multifocal bc
will be a factor that pushes your onc to recommend chemo for you.
5) Lymph node status
Positive lymph nodes get automatic chemo. Yours were negative.
However, keep in mind that 30% of metastic bc jumps the nodes and
travels through the body via the blood stream (the stat is from Dr.
Suan Love's Breast Book).
6) Oncotype Dx
This is a genetic test available to women who are Stage 1 or 2 with
negative nodes. It gives a number that estimates risk of distant
recurrence and death from bc. Most women seem to fall into the grey
area on their scores, so sometimes this test doesn't help. But it's
worth doing, because a very low or very high score can help with
the decision making process.
7) Adjuvant Online
This program is an online tool your onc can use to give you percentage
benefits numbers for doing chemo, chemo/hormones, hormones alone,
etc. S/he will plug in various chemo regimens and come up with a
percentage. If you have an Oncotype Dx score, that can be plugged in,
too. Usually, most oncs use a 4% benefit from chemo as a decision
driver to do the chemo.
Hope this helps a bit. Sorry about the weird spacing in the paragraphs--couldn't get it how I wanted it to look.

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Another thing I wanted to add is that if you are ER/PR positive, see if your path report states what percentages your hormone receptors are. Anything over 10% is considered positive and should respond to hormone therapy in theory, but I'd be a lot more comfortable relying on hormone receptors that were in the 80-100% range. Mine were ER 50%, PR 30%, which was another factor that pushed me towards chemo.
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Please relax....nash has given you some good advice. Try to have the Oncotype DX test. This procedure was not available 4 yrs ago (YES...4 YEARS AGO!!) when I was diagnosed with a node negative, highly ER+, clear margin tumor, however my cancer was a classic lobular, not a mixed tumor. The Oncotype will give you very specific details regarding "your" situation, and an accurate recurrence score.
My tumor was over 1 cm, so I was advised to take chemo. That was the "RULE" back then. I survived chemo, and I'm doing fine today.
Please feel to PM if you have questions.
Best wishes!
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