Starting Chemo in September?? where are you ladies

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  • Karyll
    Karyll Member Posts: 235
    edited October 2007

    Karyll is still feeling pretty good thank you,I am getting a bit more tired.. the burning is still there when I swallow or drink or eat.. but is not just incessantly rising.. I think that has probably been due to the steroid. But here is one I have not read about yet... Last night as I was inspecting my mouth for redness, sores etc... I noticed this big black hairy tongue in my mouth instead of the normal thing, it cleans off, but feels weird, and all my food has taken a flavor of aspartame. Everything tastes artificially sweetened. hmmmmmm..Which is okay I guess but aspartame french fries did not cut it for me today... lol

    I have taken last dose of prescribed meds now (zofran, dexamethasone) but have the as needed anti nauseants, ativan and still of course my back problem pills - muscle relaxants. But I am surely feeling weaker this evening. Perhaps I tried to do too much today. My ex sis in law is coming over with the "The Wig" tonight... to make sure she has shaped it and all that fun stuff nicely!!

    All in all? I think I am doing okay. Better than I anticipated perhaps. I DO know I will get tireder and tireder but I guess I will just have to live through that... lol.. and sleeeeppppppppppp.. Hopefully I will follow a pattern in that regard, so I can keep working mostly full time.

    Best wishes everyone, and cheers!!!

    Karyll

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited October 2007

    Hey everyone,

    My 1st tx went well in itself except I got hit with horrible nausea / constant purging so needed to call the doc on call ( which luckily was my oncologist) at 2 am.

    Since I did not report having any morning sickness while pregnant  or motion sickness  I think they went easy on my meds, only giving me Aloxi and steroid during the tx and nothing afterwards.

    Luckily I had the prescription for Compazine from my previous onc. and started taking one proactively every 8 hours that took the edge off. Also took otc zantac which seems to control the acid that my stomach seems to be adamant in churning up in big amounts.

    They have prescribed Emend for the next round. 

    Running into another problem though - lack of sleep - will probably put a post out there. What happened to the wiped out feeling ? I am jumping out of my skin since I got the tx and it has been almost 6 days now, I can not sleep/nap it is horrible cause I do feel tired and I do know that I need the sleep to recover. I have some xanax ( which seems to work a bit ), ambien does zilch ! Ativan seemed to work but my onc nurse said not to take it ???? I just want to get a good nights sleep .. ok let me post this  out there for all the chemo gals to see.

    Aylin

  • Leahrc
    Leahrc Member Posts: 459
    edited October 2007

    Paxton,

    I refused all steriods for my AC treatment. You can do that, you know. I had experience with steriods at other times in my life and I knew they wouldn't be good for me. I only had Zofran in addition to my AC. So think about it for the first one- you can always add it in the next time. Or do it once, and refuse it later if it makes you have additional SEs.  I am happy I refused because I never had sleeping issues, which is really important to me.

    Good luck!

  • Gillkath
    Gillkath Member Posts: 149
    edited October 2007

    Good morning ladies,

    I just wanted to let everyone know that I am still alive!  My second TX was last Thursday, and I have had a rough time of it.  I had a reaction to my second TX and have just felt yucky.  Most of my problem stems from the Neulasta shot and the tremendous amount of pain that gives me.  Do any of you other ladies have a problem with the Neulasta?  My knees, hips, back, etc. throb constantly and the only thing they tell me to take is tylenol which does absolutely nothing.  They did tell that they may let me not have the neulasta next time but that has its own risks. 

    Other than that, the weather here in Vermont these last few days has been amazing!  The trees are starting to change color, too. 

    Best wishes to you all.

    Laurie

  • janiceb00
    janiceb00 Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2007

    MJ -- thanks for the info on the fatigue. I'm kinda getting a little nervous for 2 nd comming up.

    Urbie--- I just wanted to know it sounds like you just had an IV put in for the  chemo...they took my line out and I don't want one put back in as I only have 3 more to go.So I was hoping I could just go ahead with a IV and no port or picc line. Glad to hear you are still doing good.

    Paxton--- hang in there, day by day hopefully things will settle down soon or least be managable for you. 

    Aylnn---I'm glad you posted about the not sleeping...I to am not sleeping the greatest, so I look forward to a reply to your post.

    Hope everyone else is doing good...take care *hugs*

    Janice 

  • Urbie
    Urbie Member Posts: 154
    edited October 2007

    Hi Janice, I opted for no port because of only 4 tx, and they said that the first day and the "vein problems" were probably caused by stress.  Next time I will take an Ativan before I go in and then maybe the first bag with the Ativan & benedryl will make me sleep.  I woke up at 2:30 in the morning before my tx and still wasn't able to take a nap even with the meds!  Although it was a pretty chatty bunch socializing, snacking and the massage therapist went from person to person.  Nice place - Martha Jefferson Hospital is...  Have a great day everyone.  I am off to get the Nuelasta shot and I read somewhere here to get it in my abdomen.  Another new experience for me...

  • bluewillow
    bluewillow Member Posts: 779
    edited October 2007

    Hey everyone,

    Trigeek- So sorry to hear you've been sick.  I think the Zantac will be important for you, because they told me the chemo gives you really bad heartburn,especially I you're prone to that anyway, which I am. I got brave (or stupid) one night and had spaghetti and was up until 1 am with acid reflux and pain!  Maybe the Emend will be just your ticket to relief. They asked me about the morning sickness too and I had none, but they have held nothing back as far as anti-nausea meds and steroids in my IV.  Not sure why your onc. nurse would discourage the Ativan-- mine told me that it is also an anti-nausea med and would help me relax and sleep.  Maybe you should at least try it in a low dose.  It works better for me than Xanax.  I have been taking a very low dose Ativan for about a year now, and someone said that my lack of nausea could be due to having the Ativan in my system already.  Hope some of this helps!  Take care and hope you feel better soon!

    Urbie, good luck with the Neulasta shot-- I have mine tomorrow in my left arm.  Every cancer center is different-- we sure don't have massages at mine!  Sounds very nice! You're lucky you have no aggravating port.  Hope you continue to do well!

    Hi Laurie, sorry to hear you've had a rough time of it.  I hope you feel better very soon.  I did have some throbbing pain in my back, neck,and hips, but it finally settled in my left knee and I could hardly walk!  I go for my 2nd Neulasta today,and hopefuly it won't be as bad or at least no worse. The chemo nurse told me I could take Aleve for just a day or two, then go back to Tylenol, and that really helped me a lot.  I feel fine after my second chemo yesterday, but who knows-- that could change in a flash.

    Janice, I hope your next tx goes well.  And hopefully you can find a solution and get some good sleep really soon.  I woke up many times last night, but I think it's those steroids.  The last time it was temporary though.

    Paxton, I hope you're doing well and taking care of yourself so you can get geared up for that hunting trip!  I'm so excited for you and please post more pictures for us.  Are you able to eat more today?

    My hubby buzzed off my hair last night and it truly feels so much better!  No more worry about if it's going to fall out in clumps at my desk, and it sure was turning loose Sunday and yesterday.  He did a great job, but he did it with tears in his eyes-- and that was hard. I did not cry one bit though since I knew how stressed he was.  But we made it through!  He's my rock and my precious soul mate.

    I also had a wonderful discussion with the nurse practitioner who I usually see and I expressed my concern about my doctor's reluctance to give me encouragement for a good prognosis and survival rate. Well, she knows my doctor very well and while being very professional, she did not hesitate talking to me and explaining all the stats pertaining to my individual situation, even showing me the graph run for my special chart.  She was truly wonderful and so encouraging and uplifting!!! If only I could have talked to her two months ago, I would'nt have felt so down about this HER2postive thing.  She explained all about the PR/ER neg and the advantages to that and the great success with Herceptin.  She explained that the chances of my 10 year survival was almost 100 Percent with the treatment they are giving me! What that woman did for my mental state can be measured in gold--tons of it!! 

    Love and hugs to all!

    Mary Jo 

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2007

    Glad everyone's tx are going ok for the most part.  I feel almost human this morning so I'm ecstatic.  I thought I was really about to lose my mind these past few days. 

    The steroids can make u wired and unable to sleep.  I just kept doing things here and there to keep from sitting around with that restless feeling and took ativan.  I personally like the steroids because they make the nausea part tolerable.

    Karyll: If your tongue feels thick and gross, make sure to use a mouthwash several times a day of 8oz water, 1/8 tsp salt, and 1 tsp baking soda.  You can develop a yeast infection in your mouth or just mouth sores. 

    I didn't have any pain from the neulasta shot.  sorry to hear

    Have a great day ladies!!  I'm gonna get me some mint chocolate chip soy ice cream from town (stomach can't handle real thing but this is close enough-I can't wait)  

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2007

    MJ: congrats on your prognosis...that's awesome.  I'm trip neg and no one explained that to me to begin with so I thought when I came back neg for those tests it was a good thing.  And congrats on the hair.  It does feel better to get that icky hair off (at least mine was icky).  Now I have stubble and that's starting to fall out.  Its weird.  My scalp still hurts.  I'd like to use a razor to get down to the skin but I don't dare. 

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2007

    my computer is being difficult this morning Yell

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2007

    Here's my hair fall and hat look

  • rxt774
    rxt774 Member Posts: 15
    edited October 2007

    Hi everyone!

    Checking back in. I had my first AC TX on 9/20, and I did not do well with nausea & vomiting. They gave me emend and steriods during my treatment that is supposed to last 24 hours, but 3 hours later I was in bed trying not to get sick. After several bouts and calls to the oncall dr I almost had to go to the ER. But I had several anti nausea drugs at home, emend, lozarzapem, compazine and zofran and after taking several over the next 4 hours I was able to sleep thru the night and all the way to Sunday morning! I was out of it on Friday and missed my neulesta shot. Sat and Sun all I could do was sit on the couch and watch TV. My teeth are sensitive and my smell altered a bit. I lost 5 lbs. I went on Monday to get my shot which I am a sissy but it didn't really hurt at all nor did I get any of the bone aches or pains some people have said they get. After that everyday I slowly started feeling better which I was so thankful for.

    My next AC TX is on Thursday and I'm kinda scared. But I talked to my Onc and she said they'd mix in some Aloxi and different steriods in the hopes of controlling the nausea. I still get tired at night and I'm fighting mouth sores, using mouthwash and baking soda/salt water wash every couple hours. 

    I think next weekend will be my headshaving party. My DH and several friends have signed up to come over and shave their heads along with me.

    Mary Jo I am Her2neu+ also and several doctors were very supportive with saying I likely would be cured at the end of all this treatment. It is scary though isn't it? My Ki67 score is 36% which is off the charts! No doctor has given me any statistics like chance of recurance, etc.

    Rachel

  • janiceb00
    janiceb00 Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2007

    Hi everybody

    Here is a little tip my nurse told me about mouthwash...instead of mixing baking soda....use club soda it has the same effect...it's been working for me and no mess, just keep bottle on the counter. 

    I'm going to try next tx with just a normal IV...see how it goes, hopefully no issues and my veins hold up!

    Paxton-- The new do looks great! :)

    TTLY

    Janice 

  • mariettaj
    mariettaj Member Posts: 179
    edited October 2007

    Hi Guys!

    Looking good Paxton!

    MJ thanks for sharing that info about the her2neu, I too am her2neu+ and also PR+...I will be on Herceptin for a year, how about you? I'll start tamoxifen in December as well and start radiation....

    Ok, acid indigestion has spiraled out of control. I just spoke to my onc nurse and she is calling in a scrip for nexium. I sure hope it works, I've really had enough of the acid churning around in my stomach. I know Trigeek mentioned that she is suffering with this too. 

    I suddenly have a craving for mint choclate chip ice cream.....

    Feel good,

    Marietta 

  • rxt774
    rxt774 Member Posts: 15
    edited October 2007

    Hi Marietta, I'll be on Herceptin for a year also, starting with my second round of Chemo, Taxol x4 every 2 weeks in November. I just read some news articles on this website about how us Her2+ women will get a 52% reduction in reccurance by taking Herceptin. I'll take it!

    Enjoy your ice cream

    Urbie, they gave me the option of having Neulesta in the arm or stomach and I chose the arm, and it didn't hurt at all. Take it from me who cries at the thought of a shot.

    I just went out today and picked up some sleeps caps and scarves to get ready for the day when my hair starts falling out. I picked out a wig several weeks ago so I'm ready!

    good night all,

    Rachel

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2007

    Rachel:  I feel your pain, girl.  Hope things get better for you.  I was able to walk around today but boy has this been rough.  I still have diarrhea, though I am able to keep taking in liquid.  Its not looking good for joining my bf on the hunting trip.  By the time I recover, it'll be time for the next tx.  This really sux!!  Guess we have to do this together.

    Anyone heard from methusala?     

  • nanc512
    nanc512 Member Posts: 98
    edited October 2007

    My first chemo was last Thursday and I ended up in the hospital for 3 days, it was awful.  I had Aloxi and Decadron before, then AC.  Within 3 hours, I was so nauseated.  I had Compazine and took it every 4 hours.  By the next morning, I couldn't do anything, but lay in bed, started vomiting, etc...  They sent me to the ER, gave me Zofran and alternated with Compazine.  They admitted me, I was dehydrated, too.  I had clear liquids for 24 hours and worked my way up to soft foods. 

    I was miserable and am anxious to see what they do the next time.  I haven't been that sick with nausea ever.  I am still going slow, came home Sunday night and am tired and working my way up to normal food.

    I got the Neulesta shot and didn't appear to have a reaction unless the nausea masked it.  I ran a fever for part of my stay, but it went away.

    Anything I should ask in particular on Thursday when I see my doc?  He was out of town, so I saw another onc.  My next chemo is 10/11.  I keep trying to stay positive, saying 12.5% done, but this is awful.

    Nancy

  • Karyll
    Karyll Member Posts: 235
    edited October 2007

    Well today, I feel like I have the worst hangover from hell. Although not as bad as some of you gals, I am concerned the worst is yet to come. I have been guzzling club soda actually - it tastes way better than water for some reason.. hahaha. Today makes 5 days post chemo and I guess I have been pretty fortunate in the nausea department. Basically I have had very little. I am weak today, my mouth IS getting quite sore but am functional to this point. Guess we will see what tomorrow brings!

    feel better everyone...

    Karyll

  • mariettaj
    mariettaj Member Posts: 179
    edited October 2007

    Hi there,

    Rachael I wonder what side effects will be like on Herceptin alone...does anyone know? I can't wait to be done with the carboplatin and taxotere....My onc prescribed me Nexium yesterday for this churning acid in my stomach and I still am being woken up by stomach cramps and diarhea (it's 4am here). 

    Karyll I might get some club soda today, that actually sounds really good right now!

    Nancy that sounds awful, 3 days in the hospital...I hope you're feeling better today. I had to stay in the hospital overnight with my first chemo. The biggest difference the second time was the Emend and also I took decadron a little longer this time.

    Hi to Janice, Urbie, Laurie, Maryjo and Paxton... I hope you all are well today.

    I'm going to try to go back to bed now....

    Marietta 

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2007

    I'm so frustrated.  My energy  has kind of bounced back but I have full blown diarrhea again.  My trip is pretty much off...I'm super bummed.  I'm trying to push fluids but still might end up back in the hospital which sux cuz there's nothing to do but lay there, watch tv and eat damn jello and broth. I have my next tx monday. 

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited October 2007

    Paxton, can you eat yogurt daily ( assuming your oncologist approves) I know dairy is a nono for diarrhea but because of the cultures I always eat yogurt when I have that problem since it restores the flora (or whatever ) of the intestinal lining.

    Another idea is to  eat yogurt proactively to prevent diarrhea after your next tx. One little serving a day should do it ( assuming that the onc is ok with it ) go with the plain one.

    I have been diluting my water with cranberry juice( proactively trying to ward off any UTI) and also soak 2-3 prunes in hot water at  night and drink the water and eat the prunes first thing in the morning - ward off constipation. 

    Oh well at least that would be my action plan, but again I am infamous for making the docs/nurses angry with my incessant questions about not taking any meds, and treating symptoms with complimentary stuff.

    Nancy my chemo twin !!! so sorry to hear that, I too got quite ill the same night. Aloxi just does not do zilch !!
    I found out that my stomach was churning acid like crazy ( you would know if you are too when you throw up), so I started zantac and that helped the nausea A LOT ! - you might want to ask your onc about that if you also felt a lot of acid while you were throwing up. I also pop tums like candy.

    Aylin

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2007

    I'm already taking digestive enzymes and a supplement with 10 strains of bacteria with 15 billions cultures per capsule.

  • trigeek
    trigeek Member Posts: 916
    edited October 2007

    ok touche! Sealed

    pax girl 1 - tri girl 0

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2007

    no tri, thanx for the advice.  I just didn't have the energy to write much.  I'm going to talk to my onc tomorrow about how its been going and what I should do nutritionally to stay healthy if this is how its going to be.  I don't want to become anemic or malnourished. 

    Where's everybody else??  Has all us side effect folks driven away the positive energy of you others?  Maybe you're all just off doing things.  I'm going to try and meet a friend tomorrow afternoon unless I end up going back into the hospital. 

    Well, take care ladies!!

  • rxt774
    rxt774 Member Posts: 15
    edited October 2007

    Hi Nancy

    I feel your pain! except thankfully I didn't have to go to the ER that first night. But it was awful and like you I'm counting down my treatments saying after tomorrow I'll be 25% done! I have to say that the streak of nausea and fatigue I felt afterwards did take away some of my positive energy but starting at day 6 I slowly felt better everyday. I hope you start feeling better soon. I called my doctor and asked what other drugs they can give me this 2nd time and hope that something else will do the trick. I had emend, then at home I had zofran, companzine and lorazapam. I was taking all of them! I think they will give me Aloxi this time.

    I'm shaving off my hair in about an hour. It started coming out in handfuls this morning, in the shower, and all day.

    Karyll I fought slight mouthsores starting around day 9 till yesterday. I swished with biotene mouthwash and baking soda/salt water mixture every chance I had. I think that kept them from getting worse, and now I'm ok.

    Paxton I'm so sorry you are feeling so crappy so close to your next TX. Definately give your onc a call and see what they can suggest to help you recover. I lost almost 10 lbs since surgery 1 and chemo 1 and I don't have anything to spare. I've been making myself eat every 2 hours, lots of protein and fiber! that constipation kicked my butt, no pun intended.

    Well tomorrow is TX #2 and again I'm hoping for the best. I might not be able to check back in with you ladies for several days.

    Be strong! We can get through this,

    Rachel

  • mariettaj
    mariettaj Member Posts: 179
    edited October 2007

    Hi all!

    I wish you felt better Paxton.

    I think my diarhea is gone, knock wood. The nexium seems to be doing the trick for my acid problem and my burping has slowed down as well. I'm doing better today. I just wish I could send some of this energy out to you ladies.

    Good luck with your treatment tomorrow Rachael, and your head shave. 

    Stay strong.

    Marietta 

  • Gillkath
    Gillkath Member Posts: 149
    edited October 2007

    Hi Paxton ---

    I just wanted you to know that I was thinking about you today and hope that today is the turning point for you in this round of treatment.  It is so hard at times to get through these silly side effects.

    The rest of you ladies are in my thoughts as well.  I'm rebounding slower from this tx than my first one.  It is hard to maintain your life and go through chemo.

    Best wishes,

    Laurie

  • janiceb00
    janiceb00 Member Posts: 30
    edited October 2007

    Hi gals

    So far I haven't had any serious side effects...but yesterday my hair started coming out more...making arrangements to get the rest buzzed off hopefully by Friday as I have a family wedding to go to. I will try and put up a "no hair-do pic" if I get a chance. I have to go and get my blood counts done today to make sure they are good to have my dentist clean my teeth!

    Nothing is every simple anymore! 

    Hope you all are doing well and if not maybe today is the day you will be :)

    Take care & hugs

    Janice 

  • Urbie
    Urbie Member Posts: 154
    edited October 2007

    Hi Ladies, I have been keeping up on your posts, but haven't had much to say.  I hope you are all doing better.  Three days out from Tx one and feel tired and nauseated, but it won't kill me.  And now my period decides to show up!  Add that to the mix... I have a hard time imagining diarreah, I have the opposite problem and it is not good.   My daughter was home sick from school yesterday with a fever so we layed around most of the day and napped.  I am taking the anit-nausea drugs and they are making me tired and foggy brained.  I miss my coffee in the morning....

  • paxton
    paxton Member Posts: 577
    edited October 2007

    I can't believe it'll soon be a month of tx for me.  My tx regime is ACx4, Taxolx4, Radx33.  I've heard AC makes u sicker than Taxol so I'm looking at it as I'm 50% done with that part, and that is sooo cool. 

    I ate an egg with an english muffin for breakfast and I'm feeling ok.  

    Called my onc and she said as long as I stay hydrated, I shouldn't worry about the malnutrition part.  I'm a little skeptical of that, but I am able to eat an egg here and there for protein and a few dried appricots which have iron.  She also suggested taking ativan or compazine before I eat (I don't see how that would impact getting diarrhea but what do I know). 

    Well, I'm going to shower and spend some time outside and then this afternoon meet a friend in town.  With my bf gone and being sick, I've been a hermit lately.  Now its time to have a few good days before tx on monday. 

    Thanx for the thoughts and concerns.  We've gotta look out for each other, especially when one of us is having a rough tiem...it gets hard to remember there's anything else but misery when you're down for a period of time and you need someone outside yourself to remind you. 

    Take care everybody!!

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