Selenium and Folic Acid

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I believe it was Blinded by Science that posted about the bad side effects of these two supplements.  One was it could cause diabetes and the other was it could cause colon cancer.  I cannot remember which was which.  However, another thing I need to ask is what is the limit that one should take of these two supplements.  I'm not asking for myself, but for a friend who had fibromyalsia and her rheumy told her to take these supplemnts.  Also, if she decides to take them, what selenium is best.  Also, he has her on the D2 prescription because her D level was low.

 Thanks for your help.

Shirley

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  • geebung
    geebung Member Posts: 1,851
    edited September 2007

    Hi Shirley,



    I am not sure about folic acid but I think I read somewhere that 3 Brazil nuts supply enough selenium for daily intake. Seems a very small amount but I try to eat 3 or 4 each day.



    gb

  • BlindedByScience
    BlindedByScience Member Posts: 314
    edited September 2007

     The researchers reported that 200 mcg of selenium increased the risk of developing type 2 diabetes. I don't have an amount for folic acid (which is found in leafy greens & enriched breads & pasta), but the article below may be helpful for your friend:

     http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070710064813.htm

    Risks And Benefits Of Folic Acid Fortification Considered

    Science Daily Since the institution of nationwide folic acid fortification of enriched grains in the mid 1990s, the number of infants born in the United States and Canada with neural tube defects has declined by 20 percent to 50 percent. Concurrent with the institution of fortification, however, the rate at which new cases of colorectal cancer were diagnosed in men and women increased, report researchers at the Jean Mayer USDA Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging (USDA HNRCA) at Tufts University.

    Joel Mason, MD, director of the USDA HNRCA's Vitamins and Carcinogenesis Laboratory, and colleagues analyze the temporal association between folic acid fortification and the rise in colorectal cancer rates, and present their resulting hypothesis in an article in the July issue of Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention.

    "Nationwide fortification of enriched grains is generally considered one of the greatest advances in public health policy," says Mason, who is also an associate professor at the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts. "But since the time that the food supply in North America was fortified with folic acid, we have been experiencing four to six additional cases of colorectal cancer for every 100,000 individuals each year compared to the trends that existed before fortification.

    "Our analysis suggests that this increase is not explained by chance or by increased cancer screening. Therefore, it is important to analyze risks and benefits of fortification, and encourage scientific debate in countries that are considering instituting or enhancing folic acid fortification."

    Mason and colleagues analyzed data from national cancer registries, one in the United States and another in Canada. The US data were derived from the nationwide Surveillance Epidemiology and End Results (SEER) registry that publishes cancer occurrence rates and survival data, covering approximately 26 percent of the population. The Canadian data were obtained from Canadian Cancer Statistics, an annual publication by the Canadian Cancer Society and the National Cancer Institute of Canada.

    In 1996 and 1998, there were abrupt reversals in the 15-year downward trends in colorectal cancer rates in the United States and Canada, respectively. Since peaking in 1998 in the United States and in 2000 in Canada, the rates have not returned to their earlier levels. Although folic acid fortification of enriched grains -- including bread, cereal, flour, rice, and pasta -- did not become mandatory until 1998, large food companies began voluntary fortification in 1996, first in the United States and later in Canada.

    Folic acid is the synthetic form of folate, a B vitamin that is essential for cell growth. After intestinal absorption, folic acid is converted to methyltetrahydrofolate, found naturally in foods such as leafy green vegetables, legumes and citrus fruits. "The body's response to folic acid appears to be complex," says Mason. "While fortification of the food supply is clearly beneficial for women of child-bearing age and their offspring, it is possible that it may, coincidentally, be linked to the increase in colorectal cancer rates. Our report is intended to create a foundation upon which to further explore that possibility."

    As Mason and colleagues note, there is a compelling body of scientific evidence suggesting that habitually high intakes of dietary folate are protective against colorectal cancer. Mason explains, however, that "There are several reasons why we may have inadvertently created the opposite effect with folic acid fortification. First, folate's pivotal role in DNA synthesis also makes it a potential growth factor for cancerous or pre-cancerous cells, and when administered in large quantities to individuals who unknowingly harbor cancer cells, it could paradoxically enhance cancer development.

    The addition of substantial quantities of folic acid into the foodstream may have facilitated the transformation of benign growths into cancers, or small cancers into larger ones," he says. "Second, the fact that a synthetic form of folate is used for fortification may be important," suggests Mason. "As the total amount of folic acid ingested increases, the mechanism that converts folic acid to methyltetrahydrofolate can become saturated. The leftover folic acid in the circulation might have detrimental effects, as it is not a natural form of the vitamin."

    At a time when many countries are debating whether or not to institute or enhance folic acid fortification, Mason and colleagues urge caution and debate. "We must examine the effects of folic acid fortification on the population as a whole, which includes better defining the nature of the relationship between folic acid fortification and colorectal cancer," says Mason. "Improved monitoring and further research in this field is important to our understanding of the long-term public health effects of fortification."

    Reference: Mason JB, Dickstein A, Jacques PF, Haggarty P, Selhub J, Dallal G, Rosenberg IH. Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention. 2007 (July); 16(7):1-5. "A Temporal Association between Folic Acid Fortification and a Rise in Colorectal Cancer Rates May be Illuminating Important Biological Principles: a Hypothesis."

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    Thanks, Geebug.  I believe I do have a list of foods that are rich in selenium.  You are correct.  Brazil nuts have lots of selenium.

    Shirley

  • suave
    suave Member Posts: 189
    edited September 2007

    Be careful with Brazil Nuts. I started eating them because of the selenium and I think it wasn't good. Afterwards I read how they carry germs and could cause acid reflux because they are strong on the stomach. If she eats Brazil nuts maybe she can mix them in some kind of food.

  • rrs
    rrs Member Posts: 614
    edited September 2007

    Isn't this crazy?  If selenium isn't good in supplement form, it doesn't seem to me that it would be good in any other form - germs, reflux, I'm giving up on it all.

  • phoebe11
    phoebe11 Member Posts: 31
    edited September 2007

    Selenium is also found in wholemeal bread, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds and wheatgerm as well as nuts, eggs and fish. The RDA is 55 micrograms; anything above 200 micrograms is dangerous. One problem about supplementation with it is that if you are eating a well-balanced diet, you may inadvertently overdose.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    When you say that selenium is rich in nuts, does that mean ALL nuts?

    Shirley

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited September 2007

    I am not aware of Selenium being linked to type2 diabetes but Selenium has certainly been linked in the last several years to multiple health benefits, including a significant role in the treatment of Lymphedema, possible cancer prevention and also for reducing the side effects of chemo and radiation therapy. If anyone has a link to an article regarding the increased risk of type2 diabetes tied to Selenium intake I would be interested in reading it.

    http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/nov2006_report_selenium_01.htm

    http://www.supportiveoncology.net/journal/articles/0102121.pdf

    EDIT:  Ok I did find an article about the study which may indicate an increased risk of Type2 Diabetes with prolonged Selenium intake:

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/76924.php

    It is worth noting however that even the researchers in this study admit that the data is not yet conclusive and requires further trial.

    "At the moment we don't know what mechanism or mechanisms account for this finding," said Stranges. "We have very little understanding of the possible biological pathways involved. In addition, our findings need to be replicated in larger clinical trials before conclusive evidence can be drawn on whether high doses of selenium supplements increase the risk of type 2 diabetes, as our study suggests. "

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited September 2007

    Here's a list of foods with selenium. 

    http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR18/nutrlist/sr18a317.pdf

    I wonder if that research would have come out differently if the participants were asked to eat 2 brazil nuts everyday instead of taking a pill?  We'll never know.

  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited September 2007

    Good Grief!!!  I have Crohn's disease and I take sulfasalazine for it.  Because the sulfasalazine causes the body to not process folic acid properly, I take 1mg of folic acid daily.  Now you tell me that I could get colon cancer from the folic acid?????

    Just shoot me now.Yell

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2007

    BBS, I must be losing my mind.   Oh yeah, I FORGOT, I have lost my mind.  I thought I had replied to your post for which I thought I "thanked" you.  I did find the link on selenium.  I have given both articles to my friend and I also gave her my selenium.  LOL 

    Shirley

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited September 2007

    Anne,

    It may be just those who go overboard with folic acid.  They never seem to give us all the facts.  How much folic acid were these people taking who participated in the research?   It's  been added to a lot of food stuffs, then we supplement, and on top of that we eat foods with folic acid and it goes over the top.   We might not have to shoot you quite yet cause this could be just a coincidence.  What else were those people eating, or taking that they had in common? 

    One more thing on this subject.  In a former report it was found that women who had high folates in their blood, and who also imbibed, had less breast cancers.  Folates protected them.  It's hard for me to believe that it can be so protective, and especially for pregnant women and their babies, and then it's also said to cause colon cancer? 

    I'm having a hard time accepting this research.

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