Anyone starting Chemo in August 07?

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  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007
    Hey there Kaye! I hope that you realize just how much all of us lean on you to be the "mother hen" to us all! It's so much fun to read your posts and hear what is going on in your life. Hope you don't mind us living vicariously through you! I certainly do wish that I lived closer to you cause I'd love to meet up with you sometime. The only time I get to go that far is when my Marine son is getting ready to deploy to Iraq and I certainly hope that doesn't happen again too soon. He just came home from his second deployment over to the sandbox in April...the same day I found out that I had bc. What a welcome home! Anyway, in answer to your question, the yi is doing MUCH better (finally). Onc didn't seem to be too concerned abt. it, but that could be because I downplayed how bad it was. I told him what meds I was using and he said as long as it was working to keep up what I was doing. It's all but gone now so it must be working. STILL no big se's!!!! Yay!!!! My wig is sitting on my dresser ready to put on...I don't know that I"M ready for it though. I figure this will be the week and can't keep my fingers from pulling on my hair to "see if it's falling out yet". I wish that I was as brave as you and could just go cold turkey and buzz it off, but I can't yet. I did talk to my hairdresser friend and told her to warm the clipper up since I plan to cut it as soon as it starts coming out. I guess that I'm just hoping that it won't fall out since I haven't had many of the other se's. Maybe doc's wrong about this also!!!! Doesn't hurt to dream, does it????

    Debbi

    P.S. GO ANGIE!!!!!
  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    A big warm welcome to you Francine. Sorry you had to join us, but you will find this site very informative, useful and all these ladies are the best. They will help you through every little thing. Good luck tomm. I will pray for you and your family.

    Hugs, Jackie
  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    Hey Debbi,

    My scalp feels really strange. Like tingly, numb kind of feeling. I guess it's time. I wish I was as brave as Kaye, but I just can't bring myself to let go either. I guess we have to be brave like everyone else. It's funny, but I've been pulling my hair for days, just like you. My daughter said it's not going to fall out because I'm going to just pull it out(LOL!) The only side effect I've had is fatigue. I was kind of hoping I'd get away with the hair also. Well, we'll have to be brave together. I pray for all of our strength!!!! Have a good week.

    Hugs, Jackie
  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007
    Hi Jackie!
    I got my first treatment on 8/15 also, but my scalp isn't feeling any different than any other night...not tingly or weird or anything. I know that I'm just kidding myself about thinking that I won't lose my hair, but I really do hate to shave it off and then find out that it wouldn't have fallen out after all! It's nice to know that others are going through the same stuff as I am though!

    BTW Kato ~ My anniversary is this week-end (the 4th of Sept to be more exact)DH and I will be celebrating 31 years. Not that we're going to be able to do much to celebrate it though. He's buying me a house for our anniversary! Just what we need to do in the middle of chemo...move!
  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007
    Francine ~ I forgot to welcome you to our club! I'll be praying that your treatment goes well tomorrow. Take some stuff to help you relax and post soon to let us know how you got along...we do care!

    Debbi
  • CTLMom
    CTLMom Member Posts: 56
    edited August 2007
    I totally relate to the scalp thing. On Friday my hair started really falling out. This was the first time I noticed anything. It was 15 days post tx with AC. On Saturday I had my sister-in-law (she is a hair dresser) buzz it all off. I don't look as bad as I thought I would. Even my husband says its cute and not to bother wearing any covering if I don't want to. My 5 year old son was very upset when I told him it was time to take my hair off. However now that he has seen and felt it, he says he doesn't mind anymore. The most difficult part was watching him cry so hard when I told him it was time. It broke my heart. I am so glad he is OK with it now.

    This is really the last of the drama. Once the treatment is over we will all have our hair back!

    Take care and heart ladies,
    Lorene
  • WIbeaglemom
    WIbeaglemom Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2007

    Thanks for asking how I am. I got through my first treatment on 8/23 ok. I had my port put in the morning of so by the time I got to chemo I was still pretty out of it. I was pretty light headed but I got through ok. There was a woman having her 2nd to last chemo treatment the same time I was and she was helping me deal with everything, which really helped. She had no hair but I thought she looked absolutey darling! I took all of my anti nausau meds and my husband is going to be giving me the Neulesta shot which is great so I don't have to go to the doctor the day after. I was pretty tired over the weekend and a little lite headed but for the most part ok. I sometimes can feel my blood pumping through my body, which is so strange, even strange to explain. I did not go to work today, but tomorrow I will. I still have a bit of discomfort from the port. I have to admit I had a small pity party for myself this morning. I got up and looked at the Neulesta in the frig, and all the meds on the counter, and all the books about chemo and cancer sitting out, and all the doctor appointment slips and I was like "Oh My God", this is really happening to me. The tears flowed and I have agreed to allow myself these moments and then remember, these treatments are to CURE me and HELP me and allow me to live a long life. It sure is hard, and that's why I logged in this morning, I really needed to read all of your messages again, and remember, I AM NOT ALONE in this and we will all get through.

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited August 2007
    Chemomom--thanks for the Emend suggestion--I'll ask the nurses about it. And awesome news on your big bad mamma of a tumor (dang!). That's really great!

    Kaye--Happy Anniversary in advance!

    Welcome Francine from Down Under. Hope everything went OK for you today.

    WIbeaglemom--I don't blame you for having a pity party. We all deserve one--this really kind of bites. But we'll get through it somehow. I'm impressed you're going to work tomorrow--I still feel like I got hit by a bus from my 8/23 treatment.

    I think I'm going to call the cancer center today and ask for my labs to be drawn early. I have to take my mom in today anyhow for a tumor marker draw. I'm really short of breath and my heart rate is around 90, when it's usually 60. In addition, I'm dizzy. So given these fun symptoms, I'm wondering if my red blood counts have crashed. They were already low before chemo started, and my ratio was 12.6, with the cutoff for aranesp being 12.0. So we'll see.
  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007
    Lorene,

    Well, once the treatment is over, we won't have ALL our hair back!! It has to grow in first!!

    Mine may never get to the length it was before this chemo. It was shoulder length.... sigh...

    HARLEY
  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007

    AGGGGHHHHH!!!! My hair is starting to fall out...no warning tingling or anything. I just ran my hand through my hair and came out with 15 or 20 strands. Usually there are just 1 or 2. I'm not ready for this!!!!! Yuck!

  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    Lorene,

    This is the first time I have logged on and literally cried when i read a post. Thinking of your son crying broke my heart. Poor baby. They have to see so much. I'm glad your husband thinks you look cute. It's so much better to let them see it and feel it, i guess. My son is 13 yrs old and he picked out a scarf for me to wear to his football games. I know he's way older than yours, but he told me he's scared. I feel like losing my hair will be the last of my drama too. I try to think of myself this time next year looking really good. I pray for all of us. We can and will get through. I'm just really happy we have each other. Stay strong.

    Hugs, Jackie
  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    Debbi,

    i'm so sorry. i guess we won't get away with it!!!just try to think of how great you'll look this time next year. it's just part of the steps to getting better. please stay strong.

    hugs, jackie
  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007

    Hi everyone,

    I have my 2nd tx tomorrow, and I'm not looking forward to it. I have my wig, which I will wear to my onc appt., but I will bring a scarf or something just in case I need to switch, because the wig itches! It isn't too hot though, because the man at the wig shop showed me how to find a wig that wasn't hot. You have to get one with a mesh screen under the hair, because that is the part that covers your head...

    I guess I'll be there all day, since I have to go for b/w and then see the onc, and then I have an hour break... ARE they kidding me??? Do they really think I'm going to feel like eating before my next tx????

    Oh well, at least this is my 2nd tx, and after I finish this one, I'll be halfway through!!! YIPPEE!!

    Hope everyone has a wonderful week!

    God Bless,
    HARLEY
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2007
    NASH
    I changed my onc yesterday and he's changing my pre-meds for this Friday's tx. He said there is a nausia med that can be given with the pre meds that keeps you from vomiting for 6 days! I hop ethis works as I had so much trouble with tx #2 I was sick for 14 days! This will be may last tx before my mast/recon surgery in 4 weeks. Yeaaaa
  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2007
    Harley, I'll be praying for you today. I did yesterday, too, even though I didn't post. I spent the better part of the day looking for my brain. (I could have SWORN i left it on the kitchen counter. I'll check under the sofa cushions today.)

    Hang in there - and let us know how it goes. You're right...HALFWAY THROUGH IS NO SMALL VICTORY.

    Kaye
  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited August 2007

    Thanks, Jean. Let me know how the new premeds go for you. 14 days of barfy is just 14 days too many--you poor thing!

  • Alishar
    Alishar Member Posts: 74
    edited August 2007
    Hi, all. I had a radical bilateral mastectomy on 08/17/07, still have two drains producing too much fluid to be taken out (had four to start with, two were removed) and am searching for a good oncologist to make my first appointment with. My surgeon just advised me yesterday that the lymph nodes biopsy came back negative (great news), but that the cancer in my right breast was (is?) Type II and I will need chemotherapy. Since I want to start as soon as possible, I think I will probably join the club of those starting chemo in August 07.

    Kidsmom, your father's unselfishness is out of your hands now. You don't need more things to worry about that you have no control over. I know it's easier said than done, but try not to think about it too much and don't let it affect you. You need all your strength. I also have someone close to me who passed away due to cancer, my sister. This past July was the third anniversary of her passing. She started with stomach cancer, was in chemo for five years, no breaks in between, and eventually it spread until it attacked her lungs. All, please remember all cancers are different and breast cancer has one of the highest survival rates. I'm sharing this because, ironically, since I put all my sister's stuff in storage (have not had the heart to get rid of her things), I have her wigs that I can now use. My sister was a hopeless shopoholic and had at last count 35 wigs so I have plenty of styles and colors to choose from.

    I will share my chemo experiences with you all once I start.

    Thank you all for being there for the rest of us.

    (BTW, my real name is Irma. My sister was a bellydancer for many years and her stage name was Alishar, this is why I chose Alishar as my screen name. You can call me either one.)
  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited August 2007
    Hi, Alishar--what a nice way to honor your sister! I'm sorry she had to go through the stomach cancer--it sounds like you two were very close, and that you miss her very much.

    And sorry to hear about your bc diagnosis. Good news on the nodes, though. Did the surgeon mean Stage II on the tumor? Good luck with the onc search, and keep us posted.
  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2007
    Hi Everybody,
    I feel like I've been on a space shuttle. ("Ground Control to Major Tom...")
    I'm seeing a definite pattern here. Six days post tx#2, I'm lost in space. Period. Yes with the fatigue, yes with the headaches in the back of the neck threatening to become migraines - but mostly just no brain. How can I have a headache when there is nothing in there (like a brain) to hurt???? I’m just grateful I’m not nauseous.

    Francinehay - Welcome!!! I'm sorry I didn't welcome you right away but I appear to have stepped out of the universe…(see above paragraph.) Enormous Trans-Oceanic HUG to you! How did it go yesterday? How are you doing today?

    Alishar/Irma - Also welcome! ...I'm so sorry to hear about your sister, and You're right: bc has a very high survival rate. And we're going to add to the statistics!

    Ggma, thanks for the kind words! Realize that I live vicariously through you all, too! And happy 31 years anniversary next month! That’s huge! (So is the concept of “moving” during chemo, but that’s another story…)

    Nash – I’ve been short of breath too this time. Intermittantly. And decidedly dizzy. I wonder what that’s all about. Probably the lung cells are fast-replicating cells, and they have to get jettisoned with everything else. It does seem better day by day.

    Lorene (CTLMom) – What a creative way to describe it: “taking off your hair”. Poor little guy. It’s hard for everyone…My 21yo son came in to the kitchen a few days after original diag. and said he’s still trying to wrap his brain around the fact that moms are mortal. (It was no small feat to re-enforce that mothers are NOT mortal, and to TAKE THAT TRASH OUT OR ELSE.) I read on a post here somewhere, a young mom said she plays a game with her pre-schoolers called “draw the eyebrow on mommy”. I laughed so hard I almost made myself sick.

    Jackie – my scalp got tight, and tingly and strange too. It still is. Sometimes I feel like I have a skull cap that is one size too small. I try to rub my head, and I feel it in my HAND, but not on my HEAD. Pretty sure I’m numb from the neck up.


    Re the hair issue…little story: I have a friend whose 81yo (at the time) mother was diagnosed with a high grade, stage 4. They hit her with everything they had. With one of the drug treatments they assured her she would lose her hair – and she didn’t. Then they assured her with the next type of drug treatment that she WOULDN’T lose her hair – and she DID. Ya just nevah know. (‘Till clumps are falling down your back and you’re freaking, thinking it’s a bug. Yeah, that was me.) The end of the story for my friend’s mom, is that she’s fine now 3 years later. The doctor’s are kicking themselves that they didn’t put her in a study, but the bottom line is that she’s fine.

    WIBeaglemom…you sounded a little melty…you’re about a week post tx1, right? We’ve all been there. How are you today? Are you able to rest? When I get fatigued, I get discouraged. It’s hard to balance.

    Today is day 6 post tx#2 for me, and I FEEL GOOD. That "chemo week" is the worst. I think I can think. (i THINK i can, i THINK i can, i THINK i can...)

    I'd love to meet all you girls, too. Wouldn't that be fun someday?
  • Alishar
    Alishar Member Posts: 74
    edited August 2007
    Nash,

    Thank you for your welcome. Yes, I meant Stage II. I made my oncologist appointment for next Tuesday, 09/04/07. I didn't realize next week is September already, so I guess I will be starting chemo in September. I can't believe how time flies. I was diagnosed in July and it seems it was a couple of weeks ago.

    I did have reconstructive surg (expanders put in) at the same time I had my mastectomy, but I guess the procedure will have to be put on hold while I go through chemo and then I can proceed with the expansion. It looks like that will be quite a few months down the road.

    I send you all my thoughts and prayers. At least we're not alone
  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007
    Jackie ~ You win! I gave up today and went in to have my hair cut short (abt 1/4" all over). It's actually better now that it's over with. I fretted all day at Purdue University wondering if it was falling out all over my shoulders or not. I went in as soon as I got home. My hairdresser actually cried more than I did! I felt really bad for her.

    Alishar ~ what a cute name! Welcome to our little area of the world.

    Kaye ~ Yep, lots of people think that I'm crazy and I happen to be one of them! Hope that you find your brain soon!

    Debbi
  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007


    Hi Kaye,

    Thanks for the prayers! It was a long day, since I went in at 11:00, and had b/w, then waited and waited to see the onc. It was for the best, because he sent his nurse to get me, and I didn't have to see him at all. She examined me (1st time I was examined at the onc's office! What a shock!) Then I told her about my diarrhea and terrible headaches, and mentioned a link to migraines I used to get. She gave me a prescription for this Rx drug for chemo induced diarrhea, so hopefully that will helf. I haven't had time to get it filled yet... She also gave me a Rx for Relpax, which I have heard is good for migraines.
    I mentioned the snafu last time, with not getting anything to prevent the wbc nose-diving in the second week, so she just said that maybe I'g get 5 needles to use this week, after tx... I told her I didn't want FIVE needles, but she never said a word...

    So, when I got into the treatment room, I mentioned it to the nurse, and she said she would have to check with my dr. Bad news, usually! But, he said it would be ok to give me Neulasta tomorrow. I told them that my dh isn't here to help with the shots and I had some trouble last time with them.

    I am getting tired of always having to fight about everything...

    This time, I think I am feeling more tired than last time... I know that I have heard that the se effects are cummulative, and I'm not looking forward to that, so I think I'll go out for a short walk after this email.

    Yes, I am NOW HALFWAY THROUGH!!!! Only 2 more txs to go!!!

    Yeah!!!

    Thanks so much for the prayers! I know that is what got me through!!

    HARLEY
  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2007
    Hi Everybody,

    Hey Harley - That all sounds pretty darn good...I'm so glad you will be able to get the Neulasta tomorrow. You and I did the same wbc nose-dive thing the first time, and I got Neulasta this time...I feel a lot safer now. I know it still has se, and you STILL NEED TO BE CAREFUL 7 TO 14 DAYS LATER. It just won't drop AS LOW, or stay down for AS LONG. Remember what you need to do? No fresh fruit or vegetables (cooked only) no raw or undercooked meat, no gardening in the dirt, no cat boxes, stay away from people, watch any cuts VERY carefully...I wore a mask to the grocery store today cuz i'm just now going into that. Today was the real start of neutropenia for me. Neutropenia will happen, even with Neulasta, what we want to avoid is getting an infection of some kind.

    My resident internet medical authority and brilliant husband found this for me, so I'll post this for everyone:

    According to the Vanderbilt U. Med Center: You should call the doctor if you have any of these symptoms: Fever higher than 100.5, shaking chills, flushed skin, sweating, frequent urination or burning when urinating, redness, tenderness or pain anywhere on your body, general feeling of tiredness or flu-like symptoms such as sore throat, sneezing, runny nose, coughing, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, shortness of breath, chest discomfort.

    How we can prevent ourselves from getting infections is: Check your temp three times a day when you're neutropenic.(7 to 14 days after chemo) If your temperature is 101.3F or greater ONCE, or if it is 100.5F or greater two times in 24 hours, CALL YOUR NURSE OR DOCTOR. Take Tylenol ONLY on your doctor’s advice.

    I hope the Relpax works for you. I’ve been using it for 4 years and it seems like the only thing that works for me with these chemo headaches.

    I was more tired this time, too. I’ve heard it happens that way. If it’s any consolation, I felt like I had a little more energy today (day 6). I’m looking forward to two good weeks before tx #3!

    All in all, it sounds like things went really well – I’m so glad. That’s exactly what I was asking for.

    Regarding Neulasta: This is a Quote from Jackie: “i had my 1st treatment on 8/15/07, got neulasta shot the next day. did fine, except for fatigue--but one week later I got reaction from neulasta. it started with lower back throbbing and discomfort, low-grade fever and then aches all over my joints. i panicked myself because i did not know it could react that late. it lasted one day and my onc's office said to take advil and drink fluids. just wanted to give you a heads up just in case because i really got scared. now that i know what it was, it wasn't that bad!”

    I read about Neulasta on this board, and called a friend who had had it, and the reaction to Neulasta was mild for most of them, so I took a chance with it. So far, so good. I’m SOOOO glad you posted that, Jackie, now I’ve been prepared. Today when I felt a “twinge” in my lower back, and my joints started aching, I didn’t freak out, I had been expecting it. We’ll see about tomorrow, but I think it’s going to be fine. Advil & Take-It-Easy. I can do that. Thank you SO MUCH for posting that. (I love this board!!!)

    Emg326 – Your first tx is tomorrow, right? I’ll be praying for you – and I’m not the only one. Drink a lot of water, it flushes all that stuff out of your body! And take something fun to do. (And a snack? Ok…that’s just for fun.) Let us know how it goes. We all care.
  • emg326
    emg326 Member Posts: 102
    edited August 2007

    Thanks Kaye. I'm not as nervous as I thought I'd be. I have my chemo bag packed with goodies and my hubby will be there the whole time. I finally got my dressings off my bilat. mast. and things look pretty good. I know all will be fine in the end, and after tomorrow, only 3 more to go!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2007
    Kaye
    I had the severe back ache with my first treatment and blamed it on the Nuelastia, however on TX #2, I didn't seem nearly as bad, but the chemo se where far worse. It took me 2 weeks to recover and I am still not back to normal. TX #3 is this Friday.
  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2007
    Jean - I just read all your posts. Boy, have you been run through the mill!

    Yes, it's interesting how each one of us differs in our reactions to the same meds! (Just read the Taxotere and Cytoxan thread. It scared me right out of my hair follicles!) But that's exactly why this board is so helpful. The breadth and depth of experiences in each of these ladies is priceless info to know and have at hand.

    I do hope Friday Tx #3 is uneventful for you, and that you can recover a little more quickly. I'm so glad you found another onc who seems to have his wits. It sounds like you're in good hands. (finally.)
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2007
    Hi Kaye
    I had an unconfortable night. The area under my left arm, same side as the original tumor, was hurting as was my breast. I just noticed that it's very swollen. I am not sure but I think that is the area of that bad node. I wonder if this chemo has been working. I had no node involvement when the first tumor was discover or a tthe time of the excisional biopsy. I am now scare to death, Kaye
  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited August 2007

    Could you have an infection, Jean? Or maybe fluid buildup from the taxotere? My surgeon's nurse had mentioned that taxotere can aggravate lymphedema, so maybe it's irritating your nodes? When do you see the onc again?

  • WIbeaglemom
    WIbeaglemom Member Posts: 4
    edited August 2007
    Nash,
    I did go to work on 8/28 had chemo on 8/23. I was ok at first and then I got pretty dizzy, that stopped and then had a bad headache all day. Went to work on 8/29, and also developed a headache. Now I am home after work, and the headache is better. Wonder if it's stress or just the work environment, I am on a computer all day so maybe that's it. Otherwise I feel pretty good. Had a bit of trouble sleeping the other night. Tomorrow I go to my first therapy for the lumpectomy arm, and then on to the Oncologist.
    I think I got through the first treatment pretty good, and my oncologist told me how I get through the first is pretty much the indicator of how they all will be. For those who have had more than one, is this true??? I mean, it certainly was not a walk in the park, but the meds for nausea worked great, and I really just slept for the first 3 days. Could it possibly not be as bad as I have agonized about??
  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited August 2007
    That's great that you feel pretty good, WIbeaglemom! I've had a headache since chemo, too. I'm on the computer a lot too (work from home) but this headache feels more drug related, I think. Sort of like my head is stuffed with cotton.

    Did your nausea meds make the nausea go away?

    I'm starting to feel funky in the mouth. Is Day 7 of the first round early for mouth issues? I'm going to ask the nurses tomorrow when I go in for my 5-FU, but I was wondering what others have found.

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