Anyone starting Chemo in August 07?
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By the way, I forgot to mention- Jackie-- you're not alone--I feel fatigued all day everyday and yes, sometimes utterly exhausted! And that's only after 1 treatment. I can barely bring myself to get anything done around the house and when I am at work I can't concentrate. So I know what you mean. Every bit of energy i have I feel I need to conserve so I can regenerate my blood cells and stay well for the next round. We'll get there. It won't be fun (or easy!), but somehow, we'll get there!!
That's more optimism than I have been able to muster in a long time. Glad to know I still have it in me! Angie -
Angie - It's good to hear from you again. I missed you! You sound like you're doing well.
I had the same headaches in the back of the head turning into a migraine without the Neulasta - we'll see if they're worse with it. I hope my migraine rx (RELPAX-THE-MIRACLE-DRUG) still takes care of them. (2nd Tx due today.)
Oh, btw. My 21yo son bought me a rasta hat with dred's. I love it...can't quite wear it to the grocery store yet, but maybe one more day on the steriod and I will! (What do you MEAN I can't conquer the world????)
How are your little ones holding up?..and your dad sounds like my husband. That's why I chose DS rather than DH to do the honors at "The Shearing". DS is a comedian, DH is very classy...And sometimes ya just gotta laugh.
I've put you on my calendar for the 24th for your next (1st?) Tx.
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I am having cold feet about starting my first treatment tomorrow--I'm surprised at how agitated I am, because my mom has been through five years of this, and I'm usually really pragmatic about things. I feel like running, screaming, up the street. That will give the neighbors something to talk about! I'm really pissed about losing my hair and I don't want to feel barfy. I already feel like crap, and can't imagine feeling even crappier. Whine, moan.
OK, thanks for letting me get that off my chest! I've been sort of pathologically cheery about the whole cancer thing until now, and I feel like I've sort of hit a wall with the whole thing. I just am so afraid of not being able to function and take care of my kids and their crazy school age kid schedules. -
Nash,
I feel like that about now... I'm dealing with the inevitable hair loss, and it has me in the dumps, and I can't seem to shake it.
Tomorrow, I'm going to see the guy at the wig shop to get my hair all whacked off... now I realize that I REALLY need to get it shaved off, but it's all I have the guts for right now. I will call my salon, and have my friend there shave the rest off, but I did call her, and scheduled it for Wed., but I think I'll call her back and change the appt. I'm a big chicken!
Hugs,
HARLEY -
Go for it Harley!
Believe me, as terribel as shaving your head will be, it's better than having your hair falling out all over the place. When it's all gone you can, at times, not think of it but when it's falling allover the computer key board, it's impossible to ignore, your losing you hair. -
Jean,
Thanks!
HARLEY -
Nash,
it is very scary, but i will tell you i was more barfy and nauseous before my treatment. i was making myself physically sick. try to see the future and what you are about to do for you and your family. when i am really, really depressed i thank the Lord above that he made me sick and not my children. that helps me endure whatever is in store for me. hopefully, this time next year we will all be talking about how good we look and we will be braver, stronger woman than we are right now.
you are not alone,
hugs, jackie -
harley,
good luck tomm. whatever you decide.
hugs, jackie -
angie,
i can't believe you said you get a headache. i have been having terrible headaches in the back of my head that actually wake me up out of my sleep. i thought it was my blood pressure(i take medication), but that's been okay. i'm wondering now if it's the neulasta. i never made the connection. i thought maybe it's from always sleeping on my back because of the implants (they're hard as rocks). please let me know after your next treatment if it was the neulasta. good luck, jackie -
Hi Ladies! How did everyone do today?
I survived #2 Tx yesterday. It was easier this time, somehow. I think for a few reasons: 1) I was less apprehensive and 2) The Decadron (Steriod) didn't keep me up the whole night before. I knew what to expect this time - it was pretty much the same.
However, now I know what the ports are all about. My veins are huge, and every nurse loves them and tells me so, but this one tried 2 times to get the IV in, and finally called another nurse to do it...OUCH. Sheesh. I feel so bad for (who was it here?)... it takes the nurses 7-10 times to finally get it into her veins. I'd jump out the window screaming unintelligibles if that happened to me. This was a first! So you have my salute of respect for persevering.
I must say I was a little more tired this time...not a bad thing. The first time I was so hyped up on the Decadron, I was tired but couldn't sleep, so I read until 1:30am! This time I felt like I was wearing down, and by 9:PM I was ready to go to bed. (They started my infusion at 4:50pm, with a 30 min pre-flush and Zofran, then Taxotere for 1 hr 10 min, then Cytoxan for 1.5 hrs. It was getting late, so she sped up the last bit of Cytoxan, and I could feel it somehow (in my heart?) but it wasn't painful, just noticeable. And yeah, quite a bit more tired this time.
I went back today to have them aspirate m-m-m-my Seroma, and changed my mind. If I keep draining it, it's just going to keep filling up. So I've bit the bullet, and I'll let it go until it goes somewhere else. (Dh wants to know where, my foot?) Or, until I spring a leak and go streaking through the air to some other continent. (France is nice this time of year )
I did have the Neulasta shot, also. No reaction yet. (no low back-ache, headache) Hopefully there will not be any. The substitute Dr. said they typically only give them with TC when the tx are 2 weeks apart. Seldom with 3 weeks apart like mine are. What I experienced with the Febrile Neutropenia was normal (normal?) ok, "to be expected", but my reg. onc had requested it this time, so I went with it. I feel a little safer. Ill feel a LOT safer if that message I didnt get to answer on my answer machine from my insurance says theyll pay for it. Wouldnt THAT be a drag if it was them calling saying NO DONT GET IT. WE WONT PAY FOR IT. Hmmmnnn.
Jackie Thanks for the prayers/hugs! It helps. I know it does.
WIbeaglemom Howd it go for you? BTW, the fact that your mom is a 34 yr survivor is HUGE. Thanks for sharing that bit of news. Its encouraging!
And NASH How did it go today for you? The first time I was a little spacy for a few days, but I could function, and then it got better let us know how youre doing.
Mom42, and Cindy, too howd it go?
Angie, I know youre up on Friday. No fear. Youll do fine. Keep us posted.
I really care about all you guys, (and thats not the Decadron speaking!) I think about you constantly, and pray for you a lot. Im grateful to know you all, and that were not alone, were doing this together.
Oh yeah I got a pink baseball hat that says QUIET! hair growing. Dh likes it. Thats good enuf for me. Classy, yet absurd. -
Kaye...you amaze me how you can keep track of everyone...I can bearly keep track of myself!
Yesterday was ok...actual treatment wasn't bad...never felt anything differnt until during the Cytoxan drip, I had weird pain on the top of head! Appointment was at 9:00 and was home by 2:00...most of time was with onc and getting all medicines...they started the IV drip around 11:00...continued with all the pre-meds...steriod drip, Aloxi shot, gave me an Ativan, the started the A via the tube around 12:15...that only took about 10 min, then last bag of C! Felt good up until around 5:00PM, got a little nausious and tied, took a compazin and went to bed...woke about around 8:00 with major headache and still nausious...took a vicoden but within an hour was vomiting. Actaully felt better after! Slept pretty well last night....felling kinda light headed this morning and a few body aches. Started with Tylenol this morning instead of the vicoden and so far OK. Back to infusion center at 1:30 today for my Neulasta shot!
Hope all is well with everyone!
Mom42 -
Mom42
Perhaps it was the Vicoden that caused the vomiting. I can't take it because I get very VERY nausious and then terrible vomiting. I'd ask your onc for some other type of meds for the nausia, there's a lot out there.
I've had 2 tx so far. For my first tx, I was given 3 types of nausia meds, including Zofrain, compazine, and Ativan. On the second tx they added Emand. I had almost no nausia at all. However it has taken me more time to bounce back but I guess that happens a lot to us on chemo, worse each tx. It's 2 weeks today and I am just starting to feel better Wednesday. Well one good week before tx #3, next Friday, like so many others. -
I agree--Vicoden can be really hard on the stomach. Made me sick the one time I tried to take it.
Well, my first tx was yesterday, and now I'm home waiting for my hair to fall out. I realize this takes a few weeks, but I figure maybe I can get all the angst out of my system before I actually start molting. Kaye--I love your bball hat with the "Quiet--hair growing"--that is absolutely hysterical!
I feel OK, just sort of loopy, so I'm glad to hear other ladies have felt that way. Sort of hungover, just without the fun of a party the night before. The nausea hasn't been too bad--sort of a dull roar. I took Zofran and Compazine. Maybe I'll ask for some Emand next time. -
Good Morning Everyone..or almost afternoon! Thanks for advise on the Vicoden...I'm staying away from it and so far so good! Taking tylenol every 4 hours and still no pain from Neulasta shot. Still a little nausea but toke the compazin when I woke up so hopefully that will take care of it! On top of trying to understand and learn about all these feelings of the Chemo..don't I wake up with my period today! One more thing I don't want to deal with! Anyways...I guess I'll have to! Just wondering now what is Chemo related versus the normal feeling of getting my period becuase it does kinda knock me out at times! Hope eveyone is well....going to get of the house today hopefully and get some things done...sunny, hot and humid here in Massachusetts...so not sure how long I'll last outside the air conditioning!
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I finished 3 cycles of DD AC. Only one more to go. I get my treatment on alternate Tuesdays. Neulasta on Wednesday. Typically Thursday is bad, Friday ok, Saturday pretty normal. I try little food at a time and plenty of fluids. it's no picnic but it is not too bad. Hair loss started after my second chemo. I had my head shaved. Not happy with the wig I purchased. Well, hopefully i don't have to waer it too long. Any idea what's the shortest as well as longest one can expect to have normal hair? I am scared with the prospect of having strange color and texture.
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HI All, I get my first round of TC this coming Wed. I don't think it's really hit me yet as I'm somewhat calm. I do have Ativan ready for the day before because I'm sure it'll hit me then. Any last input??? Met a gal in Target who is doing TAC and handling it well but has gained 15 pounds. It's really not fair to have to go through chemo, lose your hair and GAIN WEIGHT!!! I'm just trying to remind myself that it's a bump (although a large one) in the road and 12 weeks will go fast. I sure hope it does. I'm ready for 2008; it can only be a better year.
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Hi Sumanb, Congratulations on completing 3 tx! You're ahead of most of us on this particular thread. It sounds like you bounce back pretty quickly - that's encouraging! I'm on day 3 of 2nd tx and I can't keep a consecutive thought in my head.
Re the hair growing back - I don't know. I suspect everyone is different in their time frame based on personal genetics, and chemo used. I have heard everything starts regrowing once the chemo stops, so... let us know! I hear "curly" starts, but whether it stays...I dunno! -
hi everyone,
mom24- not to scare you, but i had my 1st treatment on 8/15/07, got neulasta shot the next day. did fine, except for fatigue--but one week later I got reaction from neulasta. it started with lower back throbbing and discomfort, low-grade fever and then aches all over my joints. i panicked myself because i did not know it could react that late. it lasted one day and my onc's office said to take advil and drink fluids. just wanted to give you a heads up just in case because i really got scared. now that i know what it was, it wasn't that bad! i hope you don't get any of that anyway. sorry about your period. haven't gotten one in a while so i can't help you with that.
stay strong!!!we can all do this.
kaye-sorry you're feeling confused. that's scary. you are the most together one of us!(no offense to anyone else)was the second time any different? keep hanging in there.
hugs, jackie -
hey emg
welcome. good luck with your first treatment. i was more nauseous and nervous before the treatment. it's the unknown that's so scary. i think ativan is a good idea, if you're really scared. you will get through it. all of us on here did. i have not lost my appetite once, but it has decreased. gaining weight does suck. bring a book or an i-pod, something to keep you busy and relax you. don't forget some candies or mints because you get a funny taste in your mouth. i will pray for you and your family.
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Hi Everybody,
And especially emg326! ((big, warm, squishy hug to you...)) Yep, the anticipation is the hardest Im sure youll be fine. A lot of us had nothing unusual happen at all.
(Hey, Nash, we have another San Diego-ite! Maybe when this is all over we can all go to Point Loma Seafood by H & M Landing and have an octopus sandwich! I know, I'm a desert-rat, so Im cheating, but we do get down to San Diego frequently. Because it's paradise. Duh.)
Oh, BTW Emg326 re the gal you met in Target who gained 15 pounds on TAC. Ive found that the 3 4 days around TX week I drink so much to hydrate that I balloon up, that plus the IVs dont help, but then it seems to even out (a little?) and I feel more normal (less bloated?) the farther away from tx I get. I know Im up weight-wise, but its hard to know whats really fat, and whats water at this stage. I just know I feel gross and dumpy. We just have to keep the big picture in mind. This isnt a fashion contest. Its a war. Priorities. Priorities. Priorities. (And please remind me of that next month when I forget!)
Ggma (Debbi) How are you doing? Is anything helping the dreaded YI?
Angie and Jackie how are your headaches? I read that Zofran can cause them, too. I think thats where mine are coming from. Getting too tired (as I discovered last night) can cause them too. Such a bummer.
Nash you made me laugh with the loopy comment! Thats EXACTLY what I feel like. Hung-over without the party the night before. Im trying to explain to my dh what I feel like, and the only thing that comes close is an acid trip in the 70s. (sheesh!) Ive been thinking about you guys with little kids, do you have friends or neighbors who can help you with their schedules?
Harley FEAR NOT HAIR LOSS. The fear is worse than the loss. I am SO lovin my wigs! And remember its temporary. Go on down to a GOOD wig place, and splurge on two if you can. My 25 yo daughter has short, curly auburn hair, and she went with me and tried on a long blond number and shes hooked now. You can be a whole NEW HARLEY if you want to! You can be SEVERAL NEW HARLEYS! I wish I was a millionaire because Id have a jillion.
Mom42 ditto on the Vicodin! Ive NEVER been able to take it. It and Demerol are very nausea-inducing. My personal favorite is Zofran. (Chorus of Angels singing in background.)
And Jackie I have you fooled. Truly, I am a child of the 60s and I HAVE no brain cells left. Stopped that nonsense in 1977, but what I do is take notes. I have a list with everyones name on it, and info I want to remember, like where you guys live, the diagnosis, and then a calendar with your treatment dates on it so I can pray specifically. Then when I read the posts, I show it in flat format, and take notes all the way down. There are times when I read and Im just so overwhelmed with confusion (especially tx week) that I just close it down and figure Ill come back later. So, no, Im a mental incompetent who has learned rudimentary skills with a pen and paper. I dont know how I get by, really.
Hey, btw, thanks for the Neulasta tidbid. I had no idea it could hit a week later. Thats when neutropenia hits also (7 12 days after tx), and apparently they have similar manifestations. (achy joints, low-grade fever, aches). So be careful! I had the Neulasta, but Im still staying away from people, fresh veges, fresh fruit, etc. all that week. The Neulasta should keep me out of the hospital this time because the wbcs dont get so low, or for as long, but Im not taking any chances!
Good Grief. I just realized how long this is. Im sorry! I guess the coffee has taken over.
Have a great rest-of-your-weekend! -
Kaye,
Thanks for the advice about the wig... My wig is short, just brushes my shoulders, and it's reddish, blondish- brown. I like it, but it itches!! It is curly, and I have straight hair, so I love the curls!! I would LOVE to get another, but... they are just TOO expensive! I think my insurance will cover ONE wig!
I also bought some of those head cover/bandana things, and I guess they are ok... but I want my hair back!
I guess I'm getting better about it, because my dh told me that he is going to just pull one of those bandana things off my head, so he can see me without... I told him he BETTER NOT!!! But, I don't know how I can stop him from seeing me bald... I really am starting to worry about how all this bc stuff is going to affect my relationship with my dh.
Thanks again!
HARLEY -
Harley, You'll get your hair back! Don't worry! Steady, patience.
I don't know how you can stop him from seeing you w/o hair during this time - that would be a huge burden to put yourself under. Would he really freak if he saw you, real?
You have one job right now, and that is to take care of yourself, and get well. Period. Hell will break loose. Expect it. It goes away. We'll have days where we feel ugly, stupid and nasty. But the goal must be kept in mind...we're fighting a war. Remember that the essence of who you are is much more than your hair, your breasts or any other aspect of your body. And remember, he's allowed to melt down, too. We all need space. People by nature are: insensitive, ungrateful, greedy, selfish...and caring and supportive and encouraging, too! Patience is so hard, keeping an "even keel" is so hard now... but it's all going to work out eventually.
You know we're here for you, girl. -
Kaye,
Thanks so much!
I feel horrible, whenever I get nasty to my dh or his Mom. They are basically the only ones I have nearby, so they are the ones I take everything out on, I guess.
I don't think that my dh would freak out if he sees me bald, but I haven't even seen me without a wig or headcover yet, because I refuse to look in the mirror! I am just afraid that he would laugh or something. Sometimes, he can be insensitive.
I know it is all going to work out, and I have to keep reminding myself that the only reason I'm going through HELL now, is just to make sure that this bc will NEVER come back again! It was supposed to be "just in case", but it seems that there is no such thing as "chemo light", which my surgeon promised me I would get...
My dh will be coming down to NC permanently in the next week or two, and I will have to get used to having him around all the time again. We have been separated since October, when I moved to our new house, and he stayed in DC, since he's in the Navy, but he will retire on Sept. 10th.
You are so sweet! Thanks for helping me, when I am so depressed. I know that I am more than just my hair and breasts, but whenever I catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror, I think "OMG!! WHO IS THAT?"
HARLEY -
Harley
Remember when you look in the mirror...it is STILL you!
Our hair will grow back. -
Jean,
Thanks! You are so sweet!
HARLEY -
Hey, Kaye--you'll totally have to come down to San Diego. There's actually a fairly large contingency of gals in this area who lunch once a month--next one's on 9/22. I'm hoping to be vaguely functional that day and able to attend.
As far as taking care of my kids, I swear it was quite a project picking them up by car from school on Friday. You would've thought I'd run over on foot. Almost barfed in the pickup lane in front of school. This does not bode well for future chemo rounds. People have offered to shuttle them around for me, but the reality is they have their own insane schedules to deal with, and I'm trying to save offers for flat out emergencies. Since my diagnoses, so far we've been able to muddle through with my husband leaving work to get them, etc., or my poor Stage IV mom dragging herself out to get them. Between me and my mom, we sort of make up one whole person.
Anyhow, I have to say this nausea thing is the pits. Zofran/compazine/atavin isn't cutting it. I'm thinking of bumming a Kytril off my mom. Does anyone know if the best these meds can do is just keep you from throwing up? I'd kind of like the nausea to recede into the background a little more than it is. My mom has been vaguely nauseous the entire five years she's been on chemo, so I guess I should stop complaining, but STILL!!!!!!! Ack!
Harley--I'm sorry about your hair angst. I'll be right there with you soon. I have very thick, naturally curly hair, and although the wig I got somewhat resembles my hair while on the wig stand, on my head it makes me look like Weird Al Yankovitch. Very attractive. It may need a bit of tweaking. -
Hi all. I am 2 days post tx2 and feeling extremely-tired but mostly OK-ish. I had body aches this morning but some ibuprofen seem to be taking care of those.
Nash-- try getting Emend for the nausea. it's a pack of 1 pill for 3 days starting an hr before treatmebnt. I think that is what has kept the nausea away for me. other than the Emend, I have Ativan, Compazine & Decadron. But the Emend is the workhorse of those.
And for those who are worried about your hair-- i shaved mine 16 days after tx 1 when I started to shed, and i tell you it is liberating! Showers are quicker, trips in the car are neat with the wind blowing on your scalp, and getting rain on bald head is actually pretty fun. i may never let mine grow all the way back in! Wear that bald head with PRIDE! I have gone bald to the stores, work, everywhere. Shock them all! It's fun!!!
And to share some good news-- my 7cm tumor has shrunk to the point I wouldn't even know it was there anymore. Hooray for Herceptin! But I am sticking with the bilateral mastectomy-- boobies are no where near as important to me as my BABIES!!
Hang in there everyone... we shall make it thru this! Angie -
Oh my gosh, Angie...I read your post and burst into HAPPY-tears! We are SO EXCITED TO HEAR THAT NEWS!!
And you've got one on me...I haven't gone to the store bald. YET. NOW I'm INSPIRED!!! -
Hey Nash - I WOULD LOVE TO! I'm not committing to anything yet - that actual day is our 28th anniversary, but there's a good chance we'll be down there anyway, cuz that's where we go/what we do!
Keep me posted. It sounds LIKE GREAT FUN! -
Hi everybody!
I am in Australia and I am starting chemo tomorrow, reading all your messages is really helpful, and lifts my spirits.
I am a bit apprehensive but full of hope too.
my lump was 18mm, clear margins, node negative, grade 3 and Oncotype was 14% risks of recurrence, will be doing FECx6 or FECx3 and Taxoterex3 (haven't decided which one yet, but starting with FEC so I have a little time to make up my mind).
Whishin all all the best
Francine
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