Anyone starting Chemo in August 07?

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  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007
    Jackie,

    My next treatment is on Aug. 28th. I am going to see my surgeon about the port tomorrow, and Wed., bloodwork! I hope he can do the port procedure in office, but I'm not sure if he will be able to do it, due to low white blood count. After chemo, our white blood counts drop within 7 to 10 days, and they can't do surgery then. So, I may have to get the port put in without my dh...

    My hair isn't too nice, but it is MINE, and it's shoulder length. Thyroid disorder has made it thin and fine, but it USED to be thick and long... It is now coming in gray, too, which I hate!


    I hope the MUGA scan goes well today. Please let me know how it goes.

    Thinking of you, and sending positive thoughts your way!

    I'll be thinking of you on Wed., as you get your 1st treatment, and I get my bloodwork!!
    Hope your treatment goes easily, without many side effects!

    hugs,
    HARLEY
  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007

    thanks for the encouragement, bonnie and good luck with your new treatment....jackie

  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    hi keri,
    i am starting on the 15th also. my doctor did not tell me when to take the decadron. thanx for the info, i am calling her tomm. she just told me to take emend one hr prior to chemo. just thinking about going is making me want to throw up. i feel so nervous. do you? good luck. my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family....jackie
  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    harley, thanx again for all your encouragement. the muga scan wasn't bad at all, except they scared me because they were seeing something on the screen. i thought there was something wrong with my heart too!!!!it ended up being the port from my expander. they never bothered to ask me if i had them. i was never a panicker, but i seem to think everything they question will turn out bad these days. i haven't gotten any good news in so long i forgot things can be okay. oh well.i'm going to stock up for my chemo bag tomm and try to relax. my stomach is doing flips just thinking about wens.
    i wish you luck with your bloodwork and i hope and pray you get the port so you won't be uncomfortable....hugs, jackie
  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007
    Jackie,

    Don't worry, it will be ok. Usually, it's just the anticipation and the fear of the unknown that is worse than it actually is. I didn't have any problems at all, except for the numerous sticks. I don't think they know how to do it so they just keep jabbing, hoping to find a vein. lol

    Glad the MUGA scan went well. I will see my surgeon tomorrow, so I'll find out about the port. I hope he can do the one that they do in office, and not have to make a circus out of it, in the hospital! I really don't want to have to get surgery again... this is getting really old! And to think, I NEVER had surgery before in my life, until all this bc happened... My life has been changed forever!

    I'll be thinking of you,
    HARLEY
  • mtlion322
    mtlion322 Member Posts: 29
    edited August 2007
    It helps to know what getting mugged(muga)is! Mine is scheduled for next week! I find out this week, what my drug of choice is so maybe I am getting that arricamycin, won't know until this week wednesday, or maybe he just does it on every one? Not sure, maybe my age(47) or my diagnois?

    Harley, I wish you had your husband with you to go through this too, I know my husband has went through alot of the appts with me, but I won't have him for my port or my first chemo and that will be hard! But, your husband is doing two wonderful things, he is protecting you and our country! You must be so proud of him! Just remember, it may not be perfect, but we all have each other to get through this and we will, we are woman(p/helen reddy) and most importantly we have God! Harley, what part of NC are you at?

    Kidsmom, didn't they always say extra iron(metallic taste) was good for us?(again sorry for the bad sense of humor)

    Cindy
  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007
    Cindy,

    I live in the very southeastern part of North Carolina, in a little town called Carolina Shores. It's really part of Calabash, but one of the golfing communities decided to start a town and they named it...

    Yes, my husband is doing his best to be there for me through this ordeal, and I should just be grateful for the time he's able to come. He won't be with me for the 1st two treatments and probably not for the port, but he is retiring and will be here for good Sept. 10th! I can't wait! This being apart has been very stressful for me, but since the bc dx, I am trying to be more positive, and looking for the positive things about this bc situation. Believe it or not, there are many, so I just try to focus on these things, and I keep repeating them, almost like a mantra in my head... Yes, GOD has been with me through all this! My surgery was a breeze!, and I had almost no pain! I had a numbing block which helped with pain for the first few days, and by then, it was starting to heal nicely. My skin started to heal around the drain tubes and it hurt (OUCH!) when my surgeon cut them from my body!

    Oh, Kidsmom, my nurse at the onc. office told me to eat with plastic silverware if this happened... the metallic taste... she said it would help, and that made sense.

    God Bless,
    HARLEY
  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007


    Hi everyone:

    Just an update on my surgeon appt. today:

    I saw my surgeon, and he said that since I already started chemo, and I only have 3 more to go, he doesn't think I will need a port. So I will see how it goes on Aug. 28th, my next treatment, and if it is a problem, he said I should get a picc line put in.

    My surgeon also told me that I will need to get a colonoscopy, since bc puts us at increased risk for colon cancer... sigh... haven't we been through enough already?

    I'm kind of sad, though, because he said that after my next appt. with him next month, he won't need to see me anymore, except the yearly exam, and I really like him! I'm going to miss seeing him every month, and joking with him. He's a really nice guy! I don't like any of my other drs.

    Still depressed, thinking about the inevitable hair loss next week...

    Keri, Jackie, Ggma:

    Good Luck with your treatments tomorrow!! You can do it!

    I'll be going for bloodwork tomorrow at 9am...

    I'll be thinking about you all!!

    God Bless,
    HARLEY
  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    hi girls,

    keri, Ggma...good luck tomm. my thoughts and prayers are with and your families. harley, i'm happy u might not need the port. good luck with your bloodwork.

    hugs to all........jackie
  • mtlion322
    mtlion322 Member Posts: 29
    edited August 2007
    Harley, I am so glad to hear your husband will be home soon, that is such a blessing, I can understand not having him home and going through all of this! The reason I had asked about your area, my last job we did follow up billing for the Moses Cone Health System, they were based in Greensboro NC, I got to know alot of wonderful people!


    Harley, good luck to you on the lab test tomorrow and Keri, Ggma good luck to you ladies tomorrow!

    Harley, if you have not had a colonoscopy before, the prep is the worst part! The lovely drink, if you can mix it with gatoraide, I find that the better choice! I have had a bunch of them! Also, after the first couple of drinks, start staying close to the bathroom!

    That is interesting what your doc said abt this making a person a higher risk for colon cancer, I am begining to think this cancer trip is really mixed up with the immune system somehow and if you have a not so good immune system that is what puts you at risk for cancer.

    God Bless all of you ladies!

    Cindy
  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    hello ladies:

    well!!!i made i through my first treatment of adramyacin and cytoxan. i was so nervous, but the whole ordeal ran very smoothly. everyone was nice and i was comfortable. i have to go back tomm for the neulasta shot. i didn't realize i would have to travel there(it's only about one half hour away) 2 days in a row, but there is a nice shopping center nearby(LOL!!!). hopefully, i'll fell well enuf to shop.

    please let me know how everyone made out with their chemo, bloodwork, education classes, etc.....

    cind, my mugascan was fine and it was simple. i'm not sure if you have one or not.

    looking forward to hearing everyone's stories.

    hugs, jackie
  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007
    Hello everyone!

    Well, I'm like Jackie in that I'm waiting on the other shoe to drop. So far I feel great. I had my first treatment this afternoon, stopped with my dh to eat soup, salad and breadsticks at Olive Garden and came home. Fixed chicken on the grill, corn on the cob, fresh tomatoes and cucumbers for supper for dh, myself and my two grown sons. Except for some spells of being really hot (and I'm ALWAYS cold) and a slight headache, I feel wonderful and ready to take on the world. I'm sure that it can't be this easy! I took adramyacin and cytoxan.

    cind, I also had a mugascan a couple of weeks ago and it was fine.

    I go back to visit the onc. next wednesday for a quick check up. Can't wait to hear everyone else's stories.

    hugs ~ Ggma
  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007
    Almost forgot to sing the praises of my port!!!! After just one day of using it I'm soooo happy to have it! They always have a devil of a time finding my veins and getting an IV started. It's taken as much as 7 nurses 10 sticks to get one started before. Two of those 7 nurses flat refused to even try once they looked at my veins. Anyway, the port was definitely the way to go. They took 4 HUGE vials of blood today and then gave me all the ac and anti nausea drugs with just one stick!!! I wanted to hug my nurse! It was well worth the discomfort of having it done.

    Ggma
  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007


    Jackie and Ggma,

    Glad to hear that all went well with your treatments!! I felt great, too, until yesterday, and today, when my WBC was dangerously low!!! I was sent home with a nupogen shot and 3 more to give myself, and a prescript. for antibiotics... sigh... stupid dr., should have given me a neulasta shot! Do they cost a lot of money? Is that why he wouldn't do it?? I can't help being sceptical... this guy's a real jerk!


    Anywho, hope you all don't have to suffer like I did... get the shot!!
    HARLEY
  • mtlion322
    mtlion322 Member Posts: 29
    edited August 2007
    Jackie and Ggma, glad to hear you did so good also, it gives me hope! I know alot of my problem is the fear of the unknown!

    I went to the onc yesterday and my treatment is the ole 5-fu! This includes: 5-fluorourocil, cytoxan, and the really mean drug ellence! They gave me all of the side effects and when I should be concerned to call them. Once again I am so overwhelmed! I seen the chemo room, I think if there is a chair, they have the 'DARK SIDE" agin, sorry for the bad humor, star wars is kicking in my head! This area has the lights turned down only, about 6-7 chairs and is just quiter(best guess spelling)I can read and rest! Oh, they also gave me my instructions! Boy did they, it is like learning over again, everything you did before is changed! Ladies, that have the port, did you get a prescription for a creme to put over the opening before you come in for treatment?

    Than after I spend abt 2hrs there I come back the next day for a shot! I think that is suppose to help my blood count, I am so confused!

    I also had my dental ck-up, again so much information! I am so confused!

    So I came home, got all prescriptions filled and slept like there was tomorrow, boy I don't remember doing something like that in a long time! I guess today I will try and read all of this information and try to understand, for tomorrow it is off to the hospital and have the port placed!

    Hope everyone is doing well!
    Big hugs everyone!

    Cindy
  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    cindy, good luck with your port today. it's definitely the fear of the unknown that is the worst. i was so nauseous and shaky the day before the chemo and yesterday i was okay. i slept through the night! i go back today for the nuelasta shot. my nurse said it does wonders. i hope so. i'll be think of you today. just read the info a little at a time!xoxoxoxxo

    harley, i'm sorry you didn't get that shot and now you have to give yourself the shots? are you able to do that? my sister has multiple sclerosis and she does. but if you can't maybe your primary doctor will do it for you? just a thought. i'm sorry you're not feeling well. maybe this medicine will help you today.xoxoxoxoxoxo

    Ggma....it seems we are getting the exact meds. it's scary to be worried that we feel okay, isn't it? i'm just waiting. good luck with your shot today. did they tell you about the hair coming out by the 14th day? ughhh, that's scary. i don't have a port, but my veins are pretty good, so i did okay. have a great day.xoxoxoxoxoxox

    hugs to all, jackie
  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007

    Hey there everyone,

    Cindy,
    Good luck with the port! My surgeon said that I should be ok without, since I had to have my 1st tx without, and now only have 3 more...

    Jackie,

    Glad that you are doing well! I did great, too, until now, since the stupid oaf of an onc wouldn't give me the Neulasta shot the day after, so now I have to give myself these Neupogen shots. Only 2 more to go. My dh is here, so he'll be helping, because I had trouble with it today. I couldn't seem to get it all into me... Probably nerves, I guess. No, I can't see my primary care dr. because he's only there on Thurs, and he's an old, decrepit, dirty old man! He likes to FEEL my breasts! I am switching in October!

    You'll be ok, since your dr. is giving you Neulasta. Mine won't so I hope I can get through the rest of these txs without having any problems!

    Good Luck!
    HARLEY
  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007
    Cindy - how did the port placement go? My first try, the surgeon couldn't get into my vein so after 10 tries he gave up and sent me to a vascular surgeon the next day. That wasn't fun to have the surgery 2 days in a row! Hope you had better luck! Believe me when I tell you that it is all worth it if you have bad veins.

    Jackie - you slept through the night after your chemo tx? I was awake almost all night. Not sure why, but just wide awake. The nurse called to check on me today and told me it was probably caused by one of the anti-nausea meds that is a steroid. She said that it affects some people that way. I worked almost all day today and still feel great...just waiting as they said that usually the 2nd to 5th day is the worst. I didn't get a shot today. They didn't offer and I didn't think to ask. We'll see what happens.

    Harley ~ I went to a surgeon who was like your pc. I only went once, then changed surgeons. I told my husband I walked out of his office feeling like I'd been molested! He was red faced and sweating the whole time he was checking my breasts...it was really strange. I'd switch if you aren't comfortable. Much easier to get through this stuff if you like your dr.

    Hugs to all!

    Ggma
  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited August 2007

    Hi there, Ggma,

    You are SO right! I think it is strange, because I had a bi-lateral mast., but he STILL feels my breasts EVERY time! I KNOW this is not necessary!

    Sorry you had to have the port surgery twice! My surgeon decided that I probably won't need the port, so I'll TRY to get through the rest of the treatments without one!

    Jackie,
    Glad to hear that all is still fine with you.

    HARLEY
  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2007
    Hi Everybody! (Special "Hi" to KeriC...welcome!)
    Sounds like everyone is doing pretty well - I'm so glad!
    Sorry I couldn't give Ggma & Jackie and Keri a "proper" send-off on the 15th, but I was a little busy, as you'll see...I'm just glad you're doing well.

    This is PART 2 to the post I did on Aug 11 re my Neutropenia…

    “What I Did On My Summer Vacation”

    Low White Blood Count is nothing to take lightly. After I posted that last post, ...EXACTLY after I posted that post, I started running a temp of 99.6, 99.8 and my onc had said to call if it got to 100.5. So at 1:30am when it was 100.1, and 100.2 I moved to the couch to monitor it every 5 minutes. I was pretty miserable - it was like it was some of the worst cold/flu symptoms I'd ever had. Stuffy nose, bad headache, achy joints, swollen glands and now fever. I kept pumping water into myself, (after I would take my temp, not before, so the number would be accurate). The fever broke by itself around 4:am, but then the nausea started. I took the Zofran (Thank God for Zofran) which took care of the nausea, and slept a few hours until I could call my onc in the morning. She said to go to my local hospital ER and have my WBC checked. I did, and it was at POINT ONE. (That's ".1", like: it doesn't get any lower than that!). So they admitted me, and kept me from Sunday to Wednesday. I, and everyone who went into my room - nurses etc.- had to wear a mask, they had to wear gloves any time they did anything with me - take blood, take temp, BP readings, etc. and they told me that during this nutrapenia time: NO FRESH VEGETABLES, SALAD OR FRUIT.
    NO MEDIUM RARE MEAT - WELL DONE ONLY.
    NO FRESH FLOWERS, OR VISITORS.

    My onc had said they wouldn't give me the Neulasta shot 24 hours after the Taxotere/Cytoxin, the first time, because they typically don't after Taxotere, and she "wanted to see how I'd do". (????!!!? Well, not well, apparently) The Neulasta helps to regenerate the WBC, and doesn't do away with neutropenia, but lessens the duration.
    I'll try to attach a site where you can learn about it, and I'm sure that here on breastcancer.org you can do a search for neutropenia (it's called febrile neutropenia when you develop a fever) so check it out, sistahs….

    NEXT TIME: 1) I’m going to ask for the Neulasta (or something), and 2) I’m going to have my WBC checked periodically during that time to see “where I am”, like from day 7 every day through day 11 or so. (Why didn’t my onc order that?????grrrrrrrrrr.)

    They let me go home, finally, and I was glad because my hair had been starting to fall out, and I'd wanted to have a little "shearing ceremony" with my family to mark the day. (life is short, celebrate everything. Otherwise know as “party on, Garth”.)

    So, when we got home, my 21 yo son got out his electric buzzer, (he being the natural choice, having been bald for a few years himself – now with hair halfway down his back and more metal in his ears than in my car), my 25 yo daughter got out the champagne (and the broom to destroy the evidence), my husband looked on (and swallowed hard once or twice) and we documented it all with some great photos of the various stages and styles. I had the obligatory Mohawk, and the Punk (my personal favorite), and finally I'm down to the Naked Truth of Me. I'll be really happy when it all completely falls out because grey hair is not bad. Grey stubble is just ugly. Period. He had to use the #1 guard on the buzzer because we couldn't risk any cuts, so we couldn't shave it clean and smooth with a plain razor. My husband suggested carving a "K" into the back of my head, and my son tried, but gave up because he was afraid he might nick me.

    So, all in all, I'm wiser now. (and colder.)
    and Vin Diesel has nothing on me. (ok. More muscles.)

    Words to the Wise: Find out when the “nadir” (lowest point) of “neutropenia” is expected for whatever chemo meds you’re on, and take the precautions SERIOUSLY.

    And that's the truth.
  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2007
    Hey Carol,
    How are you doing....?
  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007
    OMG Kato! You've now scared me to death! I knew that it was something to keep track of, but not that much. I go to see the onc 7 days after my treatment of yesterday so maybe that's so he can warn me about all this and check my wbc. I didn't get the Neulasta shot and now I'm scared of all of this. I'm glad that you're finally feeling better and I'll be getting my thermometer out and ready for use! Thanks for the warning! Take care of yourself. This disease definitely isn't for the faint of heart!

    Ggma
  • kidsmom
    kidsmom Member Posts: 55
    edited August 2007
    I have been getting Neulasta only because I was adamant about getting it. AT first the DR was going to give me Lavastin? Or soemthing that would have required I go get a shot for 5 days in a row the week after my chemo. I thought this was crazy because I have pretty good insurance and didn't know what I was going to do with my kids (3 and 1) for that time. Then they said, my insurance covered the Neulasta it just didn't cover the doctors costs for it. I guess they loose about $300 for each shot because they already locked into a price agreement with the insurance. My husband was furious and caused a big stink and so they said, OK you can have the Neulasta. It is one shot on Monday (my treatment is Friday) and I don't even need to go back to get my wbc taken because the nurses said Neulasta always works well. The only side effect I had was a sore neck and headache the next couple days. I can deal with that though compared to a complete lack of energy.

    Talk to you doctor about getting Neulasta if you can!!

    Good luck to everybody. I get my second TX today (Yuck). My hair is coming out if I tug even the slightest on it. I knew it would happen, but it still stinks. I think I will shave it too. How is everyone elses hair?
    KIDSmom
  • Mom42July2007
    Mom42July2007 Member Posts: 18
    edited August 2007
    Good Morning Ladies! I'm new to this area of the discussion board....my Chemo starts next Thursday 8/23!!! All you postings are so helpful!
    Summary..Dx 7/18 after 7/13 lumpectomy-IDC, Tripple Neg, Tumor 3cm grade 3..SNB and further tissue removal on 7/27..no lymph node involve and clean margins...total cancer size 3.4cm. Pet Scan clean! Port being put in tuesday afternon 8/21 and then first biweekly AC treatment on 8/23 at 8:30AM...4 treatments of AC, every other week then scheduled for weekly taxol for 12 weeks! Here's how they explained it to me...I will be given an anti-nausea injection of Palonstitron(Aloxi) and then the Chemo...Adriamycin/Cytoxan...this will take 3 to 4 hours to administer...then I go home! I return 24 hours from when Chemo completed and will receive an injection of Neulasta which is a white cell booster. Good Luck lasies, I will be reading through these as I go forward and keep you updated....any advise would be greatly appreciated!

    Kaye...I too intend on shaving my head when it begins to fall out and I too have the grey! Just went and had hair cut short but did not color it since I thought it would be a waste of $$$....but looking at my roots....I too will have grey stubble!!
  • JellicleCat
    JellicleCat Member Posts: 25
    edited August 2007
    Hi Ladies,
    Just wanted to check-in. Had my first round yesterday, first was the Bright Red stuff, then Cytoxan, then another in a syringe. Although I didn't have my Port yet, the IV was not as bad as I anticipated.

    I decided to eat right after chemo, i was STARVING. It didn't sit so well, but some compazine cleared that right up. Slept most of the afternoon and all night (which is a first in a couple of weeks). Today I'm hanging in there, a little nausea, but I'm back at work and pushing through.

    I will be looking forward to meeting my pillow when I get home - - but all in all this hasn't been anything like what I was anxiously worrying over.

    Strength & Love to Everyone!
    Michelle
  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2007
    Hooray Michelle! I was wondering about you...glad you're doing well. Did they give you anything to build up your WBC? (I'm on a mission from now on!)

    And get this, the local onc in the hospital(not mine at the cancer center) said there is a very big thing with the Neulasta - it is very expensive, some insurance companies won't cover it, and apparently (this is what he said, i can hardly believe it's true but he did say it...) that the pharmaceutical company that makes Neulasta is having some Doctors sign a contract to never use any other manufacturer's drugs...and for that they'll give them a "break" on the price of it. My response was: somebody get an attorney in here. This has GOT to be illegal.

    Arrgggghhhh!
  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2007
  • Ggma
    Ggma Member Posts: 97
    edited August 2007
    Oh kato! Your pictures made me cry!!! I know that is what's coming for me next week and I'm not ready to face it at all. I'm not worrying about it today though because I'm off to the Indiana State Fair with some very dear friends of mine in just a little bit. I know that I can run, but I can't hide from this insidious disease. At least I'll have fun running while I can though!!!! Hats off to you for your bravery for today!

    Ggma
  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited August 2007
    Oh, Ggma...i'm so sorry if i made you sad...i didn't want to make anyone sad, I just didn't see the sense in WAITING for it to fall out every agonizing day, being tortured a little bit at a time. I KNEW it was going to fall out, I KNEW it would be disturbing and a reminder that cancer intends for me to be it's "victim", and something inside me rebelled. So. I have won this little skirmish. I brought my family together, we had a really fun evening, we have some great pictures, and really, i feel empowered rather than victimized.

    (And asking the question: why am I still tweezing those hard black hairs from my chin?)

    Have fun at the State Fair...THAT sounds like a wonderful time!
    Kaye
  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited August 2007
    Hi girls...sorry i haven't been responding. second day after treatment i was very achy(i think it might be from neulasta shot) but i agree that neulasta is very importation. the nurse also told me i don't have to get blood checked until next treatment. i went for second opinion at sloan-kettering in manhattan and dr. there told me oncologist should give shot next day with adramyacin and cytoxan. we'll see what happens. kaye, i applaud you for shaving your head. i'm really trying to muster up the courage to do it. i just don't want to wait for it to fall out all over, but i'm chicken too.

    i'm off to a family barbeque today and i hope everyone has a great weekend.

    i don't know what i would do without you girls. you all give me energy and the push i need..like right now to get up and go in the shower(LOL!)....hugs and xoxox to you all,
    jackie

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