June 2007 Chemo

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  • shrink
    shrink Member Posts: 936
    edited August 2007

    My kids live in Lockport. When I go next (probably in Sept), I'll contact you. We usually drive there since the airfare from PHL is about $800.

  • SusieSwan
    SusieSwan Member Posts: 111
    edited August 2007
    Hi Ladies,
    haven't checked in for a while and holy cow!!

    I have tx #4 of A/C Friday and already dreading but last one! Then, I'm taking Herceptin alone, starting 36 rads and will start Tamoxifen after rads so far from done but DONE with chemo....although I feel pretty good this week. tx #2 I was sick the entire two weeks, tx #3, I was leveled sick the first week. I'm not sure which is worse to tolerate.

    I'm also tired of being bald and wishing my summer away. I have fine, blonde hair so I'll probably be bald until next summer!

    Did anyone catch the GMA, Robin's return? She looks good but I was upset how they are trying to portray bc as a breeze to get through. The treatment is devastating to some of us and I felt offended they tried to act like it's not a big deal. It's just not that easy.

    Susan
  • burquie
    burquie Member Posts: 129
    edited August 2007
    Susan,
    Glad ur almost done with chemo, I start my 4 dd taxol this week, so I'm halfway done! Sorry Ac has kicked your butt.
    And check out the Just Diagnosed board..... there is a whole thread going about this GMA thing. Some of us have taken to writing to ABC/GMA.
  • lastminuteD
    lastminuteD Member Posts: 333
    edited August 2007
    Love the grandkid stories Terry and Shrink!

    Couple more years and my oldest son(21)should be married off and working on grandkids for me! (my DD25 is not interested in kids and my youngest son is 17 and better keep it in his pants!!!

    gotta run - just popping in trying to catch up!
    good luck with treatmens and se's this week everyone!
    Dawn
  • sdstarfish
    sdstarfish Member Posts: 544
    edited August 2007
    What is the GMA?

    So bummed. My white count was down to 1, and onc says the lowest it should ever be is 4. So they gave me the talk about ending up in the hospital, and then I got the darn shot again. This time, no Nulasta. Nupagen instead, 3 days in a row (at least). I hope the migraines stay away.
  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited August 2007
    GMA= Good Morning, America. Robin Roberts was just recently dx, had her surgery and is back to work with breast cancer segments on the show. I have not seen any of the shows so can't really comment but the thread on "Just Diagnosed" is enough to make anyone livid.

    Sorry, Lisa, to hear your WBC was down. Hope the Neupagen works much better for you than the neulasta. I go for mine today, the neulasta. I don't know why my onc insists on giving it to me 48 hours after when I feel like crap and can't drive myself....grrrr

    DebbieK and Kathleen, I'd love to hear from you about your second Taxol, hope all is well.

    Shrink, let me know when you come up again. I'm about 30 minutes from Lockport but maybe we can meet for tea or something. :-)

    Dawn, too funny about your comments and your youngest. LOL I have two not married yet and feel the same way but at 20 y/o and 18...I can only hope for the best.

    I ordered the book, The Breast CAncer Husband for my dh to read. But, I'm reading it first and I keep saying 'yes, yes, yes!"...at first he tried so hard to do the right thing but I'm feeling so emotionally distant from him these days. Anyone else having trouble communicating with their spouses? He's just not there in the way that I need him and unless I have a meltdown, life keeps chugging along while I'm standing around still scratching my head at my situation.
    Well, that was a bummer of a comment....gotta run and get ready for my nurse visit....
    hope everyone has a good day.
  • burquie
    burquie Member Posts: 129
    edited August 2007
    Terry
    Overall how are you feeling after the Taxol?? I go for my first one tomorrow... a little anxious. Have you had any se's as of yet??

    Bonnie
  • tos
    tos Member Posts: 376
    edited August 2007
    I'm very behind on everyone so trying to catch up some today.
    I just spent all of last week in the hospital diagnosed with congestive heart failure so haven't been online but now feeling like a little bit at the puter is ok, it's just hard to breathe.
    I know some of you have been talking about Taxol. My daughter just did 12 weeks of it and she did fine other than being tired. Me, I had a hard time on it 4 yrs ago, we are all different. I hope those of you starting taxol don't have too many problems.
    Tomorrow I see my Onc, I don't want anymore Taxotere, I'm afraid of it now although it didn't cause the heart failure. Whatever he gives me will have to be someting that isn't hard on the heart.
    Best wishes to you all,
  • dville
    dville Member Posts: 55
    edited August 2007

    Hi, I'm heading toward anemia too, though I'm only down to 10.5 so far. I heard some people don't react well to procrit SE so I asked what else I could do. The dr. said take a multi-vitamin with iron AND an iron supplement. I've been eating spinach and red meat to no avail. Have you tried iron supplements? I know they are going to dry me out. I hated them during pregnancies, but I guess it's worth a try. Debbie M.

  • GracieM2007
    GracieM2007 Member Posts: 1,564
    edited August 2007
    My white blood count was under one last time, 0.8 and they didn't put me in the hospital. My hemoglobin was 9.3, so I'm anemic and they started me on procrit, although I really didn't want to take it. But there's not much else to do. I've heard that iron supplements won't do much good, because this has to do with the bone marrow, and iron supplements won't change that, or the number of red cells you have.

    Galnok..I am SOOO sorry about your diagnosis...I have to admit that's one thing I've been VERY worried about. I already have a heart murmur that I take medicine for daily, and congestive heart failure runs in my family, so I've been worried...I have a second echo tomorrow since I'm done with Adriamycin now. I'm hoping for the best, so we'll see. Can you tell me what happened, and what to watch for with the CHF? I will of course, keepyou in my prayers. What will they do for it? Are there medicines you can take to help it out?

    Had my first TAxol on Monday...did really good at the infusion, but have had the hand and foot syndrome...hands really swollen, red, hot, burning, so they put me on prednisone for a few days, plus B6, to try to get it under control.

    Hope everyone else is doing good with their infusions. I keep you all in my thoughts all the time.

    Gracie
  • lastminuteD
    lastminuteD Member Posts: 333
    edited August 2007
    Lisa - hope the neupogen does the trick!

    Terry - My youngest has always been the one to give me a headache - very independent - hoping for the best too! Thanks for the book review - guess I'll be getting my DH a book to read too although he's been awesome for the most part! I can't believe you are still having nurse visits!! At least they come to you as opposed to the daily radiation appointments! gotta find that bright spot!

    Pam - I'm so sorry you are having heart problems! I'm glad you are out of the hospital and feeling a bit better - hopefully this bump in the road is overwith!

    Seeing my oncologist on Friday to discuss my 12 weekly Taxol/herceptin infusions that start on the 24th. Any questions you guys can think of - let me know!!

    Have a good week!
    Dawn
  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited August 2007
    Bonnie, you'll most probably sleep during the Taxol infusion due to the benadryl they give you beforehand. I know I slept a lot!
    Last night was the worse so far, the joint aches and pain kicked in but not too horribly bad. The worse part, and this has been ongoing for me, is that my heart tends to race after chemo and it literally kept me up all night. Poor dh didn't get any sleep either due to me squirming all night.
    But, the nausea and foggy head of AC isn't around this time for Taxol, that is a plus. I'm going to take some Tylenol later if the pain gets worse but honestly, it hasn't been that bad. I'm also extremely tired, even before my sleepless night last night.
    Oh, and dealing with constipation again, I thought that was over too...surprise on me.
    Good luck today, Bonnie, I'll be thinking of you.

    Dawn, I'm almost to the point of putting my last three taxols on hold till my breast has time to heal. I'm so sick of dealing with that AND chemo. It's been almost three months since the infection and the wound has closed a lot but packing is still required. I'm relating it to the last five pounds you want to lose on a diet, it seems they never come off...well, the last 1 cm of this wound is taking FOREVER to heal.

    Pam, I was just thinking of you yesterday, wondering how you were doing. I'm sorry you're having to deal with added physical problems. Have the drs said what is causing this? {{{Pam}}}
    So much on our plates, it seems.

    Gracie, hope the steriods help with the reaction.

    I'm always confused when we talk about blood counts because my dr gives my numbers like this: WBC 5200....what does that mean compared to counts using decimals?

    Hope everyone has a good day!
  • atdec05
    atdec05 Member Posts: 37
    edited August 2007
    Hi Terry,

    It's no wonder your wound is taking longer to heal since chemo brings down your wbc.

    I wonder if your onc. is giving you your WBC or your WBC X Neutophils which is what they need to check in order to give me the Taxol. Normal WBC is between 3.6-9.2. Normal Neutrophils is between 49-79. So if your WBC is 8 and your Neutrophils is 70, your ABS Neutrophils is 5600. I was told as long as it's above 1000 I was good to go for treatments.

    I'm getting weekly Taxol, so it's possible that my requirements could differ from ladies who are getting weekly treatments.

    take care, Anna
  • tos
    tos Member Posts: 376
    edited August 2007
    Gracie I'm so sorry you already have a heart murmur and also that CHF runs in your family. I can understand your concern and hope they are watching you closely!
    As far as I know I have no family history of CHF, this seems to have come out of nowhere.
    I have been under doc's care for Angina for several years so do get the echos on a regular basis.
    My stomach starting bloating last fall and long story short it just kept at it, then more chemo, Taxotere which I understand also causes bloating and swelling which I was having in my left hand/arm, feet and ankles. Then about 2 days before my last treatment I came down w/a cough which continued to get worse and I had a horrible time getting enough oxygen so went to the doc and ended up in the hospital. He did an echo and said there was too much fluid around my heart. Compared to my last echo my heart is now weaker. It all got confusing cause the symptoms and se's are so similar to the Taxotere. I thought I was just having a really bad chest thing but I knew something was wrong when I could barely get enough air to breathe.
    Please be careful and make them watch you like a hawk!
    Let us know how your echo comes out and best wishes for a good one!
    Hugs,
  • burquie
    burquie Member Posts: 129
    edited August 2007
    Hi everyone!
    just got back from my 1st Taxol; what a long freakin day! Everything went okay, I took an hour nap while there.... probably from the benadryl.
    Some volunteer firemen from the town that the cancer center is in, came and cooked a picnic. Hots, burger, salads, etc. It was very nice!(and they weren't too bad to look at either!)
    Tomorrow I go for my neulasta shot, and then wait to see if I get any wonderful se's. They did give me some more Kytril samples. They don't think I'll need it, but I'm gonna take it preemptively(sp?).
    Hope everyone is feeling okay.

    Bonnie
  • GracieM2007
    GracieM2007 Member Posts: 1,564
    edited August 2007
    I haven't taken any anti nausea meds with this Taxol at all, after all of the nausea with the Adria (10 days every time), I'm surprised. but happy.

    Terry, I think the prednisone is helping a little, my hands are much better today. But they look like they will peel, oh well, a little peeling won't hurt.

    I didn't sleep at all at my first infusion...I got restless leg and arm and body syndrome, lol. I was moving all over. I think they will give me a little less next time.

    My echo came back good, so maybe I've dodged a bullet here, I'm going to hope so.

    Gracie
  • DebbieK
    DebbieK Member Posts: 116
    edited August 2007
    Hi All,

    Well, I have done a little better after my second Taxol. I decided to get as much rest as I could; slept most of yesterday and it seems to be helping the pain situation. At least so far I am not as miserable as I was last time around. A couple more days and I will be in the clear until next time.

    Gracie, I also had a lot of restless legs both times due to the benedryl. It does make taking a nap difficult.

    Terry, hope you are continuing to feel well through your first Taxol.

    Debbie
  • sdstarfish
    sdstarfish Member Posts: 544
    edited August 2007
    Hang in there, Gracie and Pam! Thinking of you.

    Those of you on Taxol, is it 4 sessions?

    I like hearing family stuff. You girls are funny
    So far, Nupagen has not given me a migraine. WBC check tomorrow.
  • shrink
    shrink Member Posts: 936
    edited August 2007
    My Taxol treatments will be 4 infusions 3 weeks apart.

    When I asked the onc. about scans to determine if the cancer has spread or is responding, she said that these are not routinely done unless the patient experiences symptoms or something in the blood triggers further investigation. Does anyone know what shows up in the blood to alert the medical staff that something is up? She didn't mean tumor markers since those are done for patients with mets to distant organs. She may have told me but chemo brain may have lost the info. somewhere.

    Terry - snowing in Buffalo yet?

    NancyLee - if you get bored, you could made Dewey Decimal stickers for the books you've alphabetized.

    Enjoy the weekend everyone.

    Thanks.

    --------------

    "It's not easy taking my problems one at a time when they refuse to get in line." (ashleighbrilliant.com)
  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited August 2007
    Susan, good luck today... your LAST AC!! This is something to smile about. Mentally you'll feel so much better after this is infusion is done. I so hope the SE are minimal for you.


    Anna, thanks for the blood count explanation. I'll have to ask my onc exactly what they're measuring. All I know is he keeps saying I have 'killer blood'....at least something works in my poor body! LOL

    Bonnie, how are you today? The nausea has been absent for me this week after Taxol on Monday. Hope you don't need the meds they gave you. They did push Aloxi on Monday though and apparently it is a long lasting anti-nausea med, so not sure if that kept the nausea at bay or if Taxol isn't as harsh on the GI tract as AC.
    I love a man in uniform! How sweet they cooked for everyone..yum!

    Gracie, GREAT news on the echo!! Hope your hands continue to heal.

    Debbie, I'm glad you're doing better after #2. I think it's a hard lesson for us to learn to listen to our bodies, we're so used to doing for everyone else!

    Shrink, ha ha on the snow...actually, we're about 2 months out from the anniversary of the freak October storm we had last year...22 inches overnight and we lost power for 4 days. The next day the temps climbed into the 60s! Only in Buffalo.

    I'm not sure what your onc is saying about markers in the blood....the only thing I know is tumor markers so of no help. Have you searched on this site?
    Or maybe start new a thread, I'm sure somebody out there has the answer.

    Hope everyone has a good weekend!
  • burquie
    burquie Member Posts: 129
    edited August 2007
    Hi Terry,
    My stomach was a little "uneasy"; so I wound up taking the kytril last night..... just as a precaution, I didn't want to get sick. It's a little better today, however I did take some zantac for the heartburn. Other than that I'm doing pretty good. I did have a hard time getting to sleep last night, probably due to the steroids they gave me pre-treatment. I'm sure I'll wind up crashing for a nap later on.
    And yea, ya got to love the western New York weather, right?? Been hot as hell as of late, and now we're going to get a taste of fall this weekend! Wish it was fall for real.... be done with this chemo crap!
    Happy weekend girls!

    Bonnie
  • garnetann
    garnetann Member Posts: 158
    edited August 2007
    Hi all
    Had my last AC yesterday, and am not unhappy to have that part done and over with. I start on 4X of DD taxol starting September 6th. They are giving me an extra week in between before starting the Taxol. Normally I go every 2 weeks but will be 3 weeks for #5. I am going on vacation so it worked out well. And no neulasta shot today since my next tx is not for 3 weeks. When I start the Taxol, I will have the neulasta shots for it though. I have not been as sick this time for my AC as I was for the last three times. Knock on wood. And from what I have been reading, the SE from the taxol is not nearly as bad as the AC. So, half way done. On the downhill slide now, but still have 7 weeks of radiation.
  • GracieM2007
    GracieM2007 Member Posts: 1,564
    edited August 2007
    It's kind of weird the things I freak out about now that I'm going through chemo. Was making pictures today on a new printer we have and got black ink all over one hand....FREAKEDout...went in and washed and washed...I got the majority of it off, called the company, they assured me I had done eerything I could, but to copy off the specs on the ink and take it to my doctor....sheesh...I can't believe this bothered me so much. Of course if I hadn't had the whole hand and foot syndrome thing it might not have. What a wimp I've become


    Gracie
  • shrink
    shrink Member Posts: 936
    edited August 2007

    I know. I called one of the chemo nurses today because I saw 7 red dots and 3 brown ones on my scalp. She checked with the doctor who said it was nothing, most likely a chemo se. I feel like a wimp too. If I had hair, I never would have noticed.

  • GracieM2007
    GracieM2007 Member Posts: 1,564
    edited August 2007
    Shrink, It's good to know I'm not alone. Panic attacks suck.

    Gracie
  • TerryNY
    TerryNY Member Posts: 603
    edited August 2007
    GarnettAnn, have a great vacation! I hope the Taxol is easier for you. The nausea has been better but the rest of the SE are still there for me, unfortunately. I'm not as foggyheaded though, just SOOOOO tired.

    {{{Shrink and Gracie}}} I think we all feel more attuned to our bodies these days. Better to call and ask than sit and worry.

    I think I'm being released tomorrow from the home health nurse visits but won't know definitely until Monday when I see the surgeon for a follow-up. The wound is not healed but very small yet still requires packing and irrigation every day. My daughter seems to think she can do it and the nurse said it was foolish to keep paying them if she was willing. I'll admit, I'm nervous about not having the nurse come everyday to check me out...it feels as if a safety net is being pulled out from under me. Ah, well, I'll get through this too!!
  • Charlie451
    Charlie451 Member Posts: 69
    edited August 2007
    Wow, so much going on here. I want to respond to everyone but don't have time. It's tax fee day so I am using the "decadron" energy from my 4tx yesterday to go shopping for some school stuff for grandchild.
    I have had you all in my thoughts and prayers. Terry - plese see the other thread on heart racing for my story.
    Pam - good to hear something from you even though it was very scary. We are with you, lady.
    Linda
  • DebbieK
    DebbieK Member Posts: 116
    edited August 2007
    I am so excited! Three weeks into Taxol and I have my taste back for coffee! I have really missed it. My husband says I have some peach fuzz on my head so maybe my hair is waking up as well.

    This sure has been a strange ride ..... every day brings something new. It will be such a relief to get back to normal.

    Hope you are all having a great weekend. Debbie
  • GracieM2007
    GracieM2007 Member Posts: 1,564
    edited August 2007
    Debbie, forgive me if I missed it, but are you having taxol every two or three weeks? Wish I had my taste buds back

    Gracie
  • DebbieK
    DebbieK Member Posts: 116
    edited August 2007
    Gracie, I am having Taxol every two weeks for a total of 4 treatments. The SEs are brutal for a couple days but lots of rest seems to help. I only have two treatments left. I can't remember; are you on Taxol yet? What is your schedule?

    Debbie

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